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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 27, 2019 22:51:46 GMT
Hmm...who knows, maybe Colonel Tom Parker in Baz Lurhmann's upcoming Elvis biopic might provide Hanks the opportunity to play someone subtly villainous. Parker could easily be portrayed as an unscrupulous and shady character or as a likable and avuncular father figure. With Hanks, the latter is far more likely to be the case, but you never know... Parker could definitely provide Hanks with a more assholish character, like Walt Disney's greedy tendencies, but without the Disney brand holding it back, especially if they go into the fact that Parker was actually Dutch, and took on a fake public persona and name. I'm also reminded that Hanks turned down Keaton's villainous businessman part in the live-action Dumbo. That movie landed it with a bit of thud, though I kinda enjoyed it, but I think could have been better with Hanks in the role, because quite frankly it might be Keaton's worst performance ever. He would have been far less obvious, and over the top. Yeah, no way in hell would Disney ever sanction a movie featuring Walt, as anything other than everyone's favorite Uncle. Hanks walked into that willingly. He was never going to play the complex warts and all real man. We'll have to wait and see how he chooses to tackle Parker. Haven't seen the Dumbo live action remake and being honest, have no intention to. So can't really comment there. Though I don't want to think badly of Keaton who I really like (say, wanna do a profile on Keats?), so if he's as bad as you say in it, maybe it's for the best I never see it
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 27, 2019 23:04:20 GMT
Parker could definitely provide Hanks with a more assholish character, like Walt Disney's greedy tendencies, but without the Disney brand holding it back, especially if they go into the fact that Parker was actually Dutch, and took on a fake public persona and name. I'm also reminded that Hanks turned down Keaton's villainous businessman part in the live-action Dumbo. That movie landed it with a bit of thud, though I kinda enjoyed it, but I think could have been better with Hanks in the role, because quite frankly it might be Keaton's worst performance ever. He would have been far less obvious, and over the top. Yeah, no way in hell would Disney ever sanction a movie featuring Walt, as anything other than everyone's favorite Uncle. Hanks walked into that willingly. He was never going to play the complex warts and all real man. We'll have to wait and see how he chooses to tackle Parker. Haven't seen the Dumbo live action remake and being honest, have no intention to. So can't really comment there. Though I don't want to think badly of Keaton who I really like (say, wanna do a profile on Keats?), so if he's as bad as you say in it, maybe it's for the best I never see it I'd have to imagine that Parker will be a lot more complexity written then Walt Disney, especially since the movie isn't being made by Disney, but that depends on how much focus Luhrmann decides to give him in the film. My problem is Keaton's performance in Dumbo is that he a bit ludicrously over the top, and not in a good way. Still don't know why Burton let him go off like that, because usually he's actually fairly restrained, and he's played villains before like in Pacific Heights, and more recently The Vulture in Spider-Man: Homecoming, to decent effect. Keaton would also be an interesting person to do a write-up on. I've gone over his filmography in the past, and his career is actually very similar to Hanks. He started out in goofy comedies (he was even a stand-up before he was an actor), and transitioned to more serious fare like Batman, though not with any real Oscar love for the longest time. By the mid 90s, he got left behind a bit, admittedly by his own doing (he didn't want to play the Hollywood game), but at least his career was better then the other actor that Hanks that got compared to a lot in the 80s, Steve Guttenberg. Just need to think of a good genre or theme, that connects a lot of his films.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 0:47:24 GMT
Yeah, no way in hell would Disney ever sanction a movie featuring Walt, as anything other than everyone's favorite Uncle. Hanks walked into that willingly. He was never going to play the complex warts and all real man. We'll have to wait and see how he chooses to tackle Parker. Haven't seen the Dumbo live action remake and being honest, have no intention to. So can't really comment there. Though I don't want to think badly of Keaton who I really like (say, wanna do a profile on Keats?), so if he's as bad as you say in it, maybe it's for the best I never see it Just need to think of a good genre or theme, that connects a lot of his films. For Keaton, maybe the genre umbrella of Dark/Black Comedy might be the best way to connect a lot of his best work. Even his Batman films have a lot of dark humour. But Beetlejuice, Birdman, Jackie Brown amongst his major works could easily slot into that bracket/genre (though they fit other genres as well). Keaton literally could be Dark Hanks
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2019 0:57:57 GMT
Just need to think of a good genre or theme, that connects a lot of his films. For Keaton, maybe the genre umbrella of Dark/Black Comedy might be the best way to connect a lot of his best work. Even his Batman films have a lot of dark humour. But Beetlejuice, Birdman, Jackie Brown amongst his major works could easily slot into that bracket/genre (though they fit other genres as well). Keaton literally could be Dark Hanks That's actually a fantastic way to describe a lot of his films. I wish I had thought of that. Even less-regarded flicks like Johnny Dangerously, and The Dream Team, could fit into that sort of mold if you think hard about it. Dude seemed to love picking scripts where got involved with violent situations, or said hard things.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 28, 2019 1:04:14 GMT
Jeff Goldblum
Genre: Sci-FiAh...my main man Jeff Goldblum. One of the great eccentric character actors of the past 40 years, who's had several impressions done of him and his mannerisms the past 20 years. Goldblum was actually one my favorite actors growing up in the 90s, because he was a major part of some of the biggest blockbuster movies of the 90s and them being science fiction films leads to profile this underrated actor and his impact on that genre. With Goldblum and Sci-Fi though, I have to go back to 1986 with a remake of the 1958 film The Fly. Co-starring Geena Davis and directed by David Cronenberg, Goldblum gave a tremendous Oscar-nominated worthy performance as Seth Brundle, in which he slowly loses his humanity to the insect DNA that is taking over him from a teleportation experiment gone wrong. In 1988, Goldblum starred in the silly cult-classic Earth Girls Are Easy, again with Geena Davis, and gave a fun performance as Mac, an alien who along with 2 other aliens crash land on Earth looking for female companionship and starts a relationship with Davis' character while their spaceship is getting fixed. It's a fun movie, and Goldblum/Davis showed The Fly wasn't a fluke with their great chemistry in the film. This wouldn't be the last time Goldblum did a film that dealt with aliens. In 1993, Goldblum had a major supporting role in one of the biggest and most popular Sci-Fi blockbuster films of all time, Jurassic Park. As the suave nerd, Dr. Ian Malcolm, Goldblum created perhaps his most iconic and popular character in Malcolm, a brilliant mathematician who specialized in chaos theory. Which is ironic considering he foretold the inherent dangers and "chaos" that would abound by bringing Dinosaurs back from extinction using frog DNA. With his one-liners and funny quirks, Goldblum was a standout from that film and gave pride to nerds all across the world so much show that his character was made the lead in its 1997 sequel, The Lost World: Jurassic Park and the novel it was adapted from. Here's one of my favorite Goldblum scenes from the film where he's expressing his first impressions of Jurassic Park.. Thinking he would've been satisfied with being in two blockbuster films in a decade with Jurassic Park and it's sequel The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Goldblum fitted in another blockbuster film, again dealing with aliens, when in 1996 he starred in the mega-hit, Independence Day. Playing David Levinson, an MIT-trained satellite technician, he's the one who figures out the aliens' true purpose of coming to Earth by decoding a signal that he determines is a countdown timer to a coordinated attack by the aliens. His intelligence and determination saves the President (Bill Pullman), his daughter, and his White House office staff (including his ex that he still cares for). Even though Independence Day is a fun, cheesy, rewatchable film with a classic good guy vs bad guy scenario, Goldblum gives a grounded performance as man struggling with his faith, not only in spirituality terms, but with his faith in humanity and how they treat the planet they call home. His acting with Judd Hirsch who plays his father is tremendous, and he also showed having great chemistry with a sitcom tv actor who was trying to make his way into movies named Will Smith. Below is one my favorite scenes from the film between Goldblum and Smith before they blow the alien mothership to hell.. After his big 90s run, Goldblum sort of went away as far big mainstream sci-fi films is concerned for the 00s and most of the 10s, and then he returned in a great way with 2017's Thor: Ragnarok, portraying Grandmaster and helped bring some great comedy to the film with his comedic performance. Appearing in sequels to Independence Day and Jurassic World to varying results, Goldblum is looking like he's making a comeback in terms of being in big studio films again, and here's to hoping Goldblum can achieve that...an ode to one of my fave childhood actors. Honorable Mention: Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 1:18:48 GMT
Jeff Goldblum
Genre: Sci-FiAh...my main man Jeff Goldblum. One of the great eccentric character actors of the past 40 years, who's had several impressions done of him and his mannerisms the past 20 years. Goldblum was actually one my favorite actors growing up in the 90s, because he was a major part of some of the biggest blockbuster movies of the 90s and them being science fiction films leads to profile this underrated actor and his impact on that genre. With Goldblum and Sci-Fi though, I have to go back to 1986 with a remake of the 1958 film The Fly. Co-starring Geena Davis and directed by David Cronenberg, Goldblum gave a tremendous Oscar-nominated worthy performance as Seth Brundle, in which he slowly loses his humanity to the insect DNA that is taking over him from a teleportation experiment gone wrong. In 1988, Goldblum starred in the silly cult-classic Earth Girls Are Easy, again with Geena Davis, and gave a fun performance as Mac, an alien who along with 2 other aliens crash land on Earth looking for female companionship and starts a relationship with Davis' character while their spaceship is getting fixed. It's a fun movie, and Goldblum/Davis showed The Fly wasn't a fluke with their great chemistry in the film. This wouldn't be the last time Goldblum did a film that dealt with aliens. In 1993, Goldblum had a major supporting role in one of the biggest and most popular Sci-Fi blockbuster films of all time, Jurassic Park. As the suave nerd, Dr. Ian Malcolm, Goldblum created perhaps his most iconic and popular character in Malcolm, a brilliant mathematician who specialized in chaos theory. Which is ironic considering he foretold the inherent dangers and "chaos" that would abound by bringing Dinosaurs back from extinction using frog DNA. With his one-liners and funny quirks, Goldblum was a standout from that film and gave pride to nerds all across the world so much show that his character was made the lead in its 1997 sequel, The Lost World: Jurassic Park and the novel it was adapted from. Here's one of my favorite Goldblum scenes from the film where he's expressing his first impressions of Jurassic Park.. Thinking he would've been satisfied with being in two blockbuster films in a decade with Jurassic Park and it's sequel The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Goldblum fitted in another blockbuster film, again dealing with aliens, when in 1996 he starred in the mega-hit, Independence Day. Playing David Levinson, an MIT-trained satellite technician, he's the one who figures out the aliens' true purpose of coming to Earth by decoding a signal that he determines is a countdown timer to a coordinated attack by the aliens. His intelligence and determination saves the President (Bill Pullman), his daughter, and his White House office staff (including his ex that he still cares for). Even though Independence Day is a fun, cheesy, rewatchable film with a classic good guy vs bad guy scenario, Goldblum gives a grounded performance as man struggling with his faith, not only in spirituality terms, but with his faith in humanity and how they treat the planet they call home. His acting with Judd Hirsch who plays his father is tremendous, and he also showed having great chemistry with a sitcom tv actor who was trying to make his way into movies named Will Smith. Below is one my favorite scenes from the film between Goldblum and Smith before they blow the alien mothership to hell.. After his big 90s run, Goldblum sort of went away as far big mainstream sci-fi films is concerned for the 00s and most of the 10s, and then he returned in a great way with 2017's Thor: Ragnarok, portraying Grandmaster and helped bring some great comedy to the film with his comedic performance. Appearing in sequels to Independence Day and Jurassic World to varying results, Goldblum is looking like he's making a comeback in terms of being in big studio films again, and here's to hoping Goldblum can achieve that...an ode to one of my fave childhood actors. Honorable Mention: Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
Brilliant write up There's something weird and off-kilter about Goldblum himself that makes him such a good fit for the Sci-fi genre. At times, the guy with his clipped, staccato speaking style seems like an alien himself. He was never destined for conventional leading man status. Surprised he wasn't cast in The Fifth Element. He could have had one hell of a weird-off with Chris Tucker in that movie. And yes, The Fly was a masterful performance, absolutely worthy of Oscar consideration.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 28, 2019 2:02:51 GMT
Jeff Goldblum
Genre: Sci-FiAh...my main man Jeff Goldblum. One of the great eccentric character actors of the past 40 years, who's had several impressions done of him and his mannerisms the past 20 years. Goldblum was actually one my favorite actors growing up in the 90s, because he was a major part of some of the biggest blockbuster movies of the 90s and them being science fiction films leads to profile this underrated actor and his impact on that genre. With Goldblum and Sci-Fi though, I have to go back to 1986 with a remake of the 1958 film The Fly. Co-starring Geena Davis and directed by David Cronenberg, Goldblum gave a tremendous Oscar-nominated worthy performance as Seth Brundle, in which he slowly loses his humanity to the insect DNA that is taking over him from a teleportation experiment gone wrong. In 1988, Goldblum starred in the silly cult-classic Earth Girls Are Easy, again with Geena Davis, and gave a fun performance as Mac, an alien who along with 2 other aliens crash land on Earth looking for female companionship and starts a relationship with Davis' character while their spaceship is getting fixed. It's a fun movie, and Goldblum/Davis showed The Fly wasn't a fluke with their great chemistry in the film. This wouldn't be the last time Goldblum did a film that dealt with aliens. In 1993, Goldblum had a major supporting role in one of the biggest and most popular Sci-Fi blockbuster films of all time, Jurassic Park. As the suave nerd, Dr. Ian Malcolm, Goldblum created perhaps his most iconic and popular character in Malcolm, a brilliant mathematician who specialized in chaos theory. Which is ironic considering he foretold the inherent dangers and "chaos" that would abound by bringing Dinosaurs back from extinction using frog DNA. With his one-liners and funny quirks, Goldblum was a standout from that film and gave pride to nerds all across the world so much show that his character was made the lead in its 1997 sequel, The Lost World: Jurassic Park and the novel it was adapted from. Here's one of my favorite Goldblum scenes from the film where he's expressing his first impressions of Jurassic Park.. Thinking he would've been satisfied with being in two blockbuster films in a decade with Jurassic Park and it's sequel The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Goldblum fitted in another blockbuster film, again dealing with aliens, when in 1996 he starred in the mega-hit, Independence Day. Playing David Levinson, an MIT-trained satellite technician, he's the one who figures out the aliens' true purpose of coming to Earth by decoding a signal that he determines is a countdown timer to a coordinated attack by the aliens. His intelligence and determination saves the President (Bill Pullman), his daughter, and his White House office staff (including his ex that he still cares for). Even though Independence Day is a fun, cheesy, rewatchable film with a classic good guy vs bad guy scenario, Goldblum gives a grounded performance as man struggling with his faith, not only in spirituality terms, but with his faith in humanity and how they treat the planet they call home. His acting with Judd Hirsch who plays his father is tremendous, and he also showed having great chemistry with a sitcom tv actor who was trying to make his way into movies named Will Smith. Below is one my favorite scenes from the film between Goldblum and Smith before they blow the alien mothership to hell.. After his big 90s run, Goldblum sort of went away as far big mainstream sci-fi films is concerned for the 00s and most of the 10s, and then he returned in a great way with 2017's Thor: Ragnarok, portraying Grandmaster and helped bring some great comedy to the film with his comedic performance. Appearing in sequels to Independence Day and Jurassic World to varying results, Goldblum is looking like he's making a comeback in terms of being in big studio films again, and here's to hoping Goldblum can achieve that...an ode to one of my fave childhood actors. Honorable Mention: Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
Brilliant write up There's something weird and off-kilter about Goldblum himself that makes him such a good fit for the Sci-fi genre. At times, the guy with his clipped, stacco speaking style seems like an alien himself. He was never destined for conventional leading man status. Surprised he wasn't cast in The Fifth Element. He could have had one hell of a weird-off with Chris Tucker in that movie. And yes, The Fly was a masterful performance, absolutely worthy of Oscar consideration. I know what you mean with his speaking style..lol, like an alien crash landed on Earth, assumed a human form and is processing how to communicate with the English language with his ‘uh’ ‘ums’ and nervous tics. That’s why he was great as the Grandmaster. His mannerisms and tics have been in numerous impressions. Thinking about it, him in The Fifth Element would be brilliant casting. Him and Chris Tucker/Gary Oldman would’ve been insane.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 2:15:09 GMT
Brilliant write up There's something weird and off-kilter about Goldblum himself that makes him such a good fit for the Sci-fi genre. At times, the guy with his clipped, stacco speaking style seems like an alien himself. He was never destined for conventional leading man status. Surprised he wasn't cast in The Fifth Element. He could have had one hell of a weird-off with Chris Tucker in that movie. And yes, The Fly was a masterful performance, absolutely worthy of Oscar consideration. I know what you mean with his speaking style..lol, like an alien crash landed on Earth, assumed a human form and is processing how to communicate with the English language with his ‘uh’ ‘ums’ and nervous tics. That’s why he was great as the Grandmaster. His mannerisms and tics have been in numerous impressions. Thinking about it, him in The Fifth Element would be brilliant casting. Him and Chris Tucker/Gary Oldman would’ve been insane. It's hilarious to admit that I forgot about Gary Oldman in The Fifth Element when I thought of Tucker. The fact that I could forget that Gary friggin' Oldman was playing one of his all-time weirdo characters in that film as well, just goes to show how utterly bizarre Tucker was in the film. He out-weirded the weird. It's like one of the strangest performances I've ever seen, but in the context of the movie his Ruby Rhod is utterly exhilarating. Adding Goldblum to the Oldman/Tucker mix would have taken the already insane insanity levels up a notch.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2019 2:32:34 GMT
In addition to The Fly, Jurassic Park, Invasion of The Body-Snatchers, and Thor Ragnarok, Goldblum was also in the sci-fi cult-classic The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai. Goldlbum dresses-up in a cowboy get-up, as the uproarious New Jersey. Pee Wee even wears similar get-up when he dresses-up as the bull-rider in Big Adventure. "A Little yeh, I can dance!"
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2019 2:58:34 GMT
Michael Keaton Genre: Dark Comedy
Okay, this was one was suggested by Pupdrucs, and it absolutely makes perfect sense too. Michael Keaton and Tom Hanks are a lot closer career-wise and in personality then you might think, they just diverged into different career paths.
One of the ways in which they are different, is in how they approached comedy. When Tom Hanks was a comic actor, he was much more of a goofy, charming, obliviously observer seemingly to everything around him. Keaton started out sorta like this, but was a lot more sarcastic, and this made him more way more apt for paying darkly morbid comedic character, even as his career diverged from silly comedies. Beetlejuice, Riggan Thomson, even Batman to a certain extent, and more recently Ray Kroc, characters that sometimes have questionable beliefs, but since Keaton is an appealing screen presence, you buy it. Even something like The Dream Team, a rather bizarre forgotten flick, is basically a darkly comedic thriller-spin on One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest.
One of the things I especially appreciate about Keaton’s sense of humor, is that he knows how to deliver a joke that's in bad taste. There are multiple examples in Beetlejuice of this alone, but the bit that always got me was, “I'll eat anything you want me to eat. I'll swallow anything you want me to swallow. But, come on down and I'll... chew on a dog! Arroooo!”. The fact that he leaves an impression on us in that film, in spite of his rather limited screen time, is a testament to his skills as a performer, and ability to make us laugh during a bad situation, and as proven with Birdman and The Founder, he's still got it too. In particular in Birdman his character Riggan, is all about being morbid, and making belligerent remarks, which is one of the many things I appreciate about that film, and his performance. He's not afraid to be mean.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 28, 2019 3:16:28 GMT
I know what you mean with his speaking style..lol, like an alien crash landed on Earth, assumed a human form and is processing how to communicate with the English language with his ‘uh’ ‘ums’ and nervous tics. That’s why he was great as the Grandmaster. His mannerisms and tics have been in numerous impressions. Thinking about it, him in The Fifth Element would be brilliant casting. Him and Chris Tucker/Gary Oldman would’ve been insane. It's hilarious to admit that I forgot about Gary Oldman in The Fifth Element when I thought of Tucker. The fact that I could forget that Gary friggin' Oldman was playing one of his all-time weirdo characters in that film as well, just goes to show how utterly bizarre Tucker was in the film. He out-weirded the weird. It's like one of the strangest performances I've ever seen, but in the context of the movie his Ruby Rhod is utterly exhilarating. Adding Goldblum to the Oldman/Tucker mix would have taken the already insane insanity levels up a notch. I don’t think there would’ve been enough scenery in the whole world for Oldman, Tucker, and Goldblum to chew through if all three were in The Fifth Element. That movie is already one of the most zaniest things in cinema history. I mean you had Deebo play the president of Earth for christ sake..lol
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Post by sirchuck23 on Jul 28, 2019 3:19:22 GMT
In addition to The Fly, Jurassic Park, Invasion of The Body-Snatchers, and Thor Ragnarok, Goldblum was also in the sci-fi cult-classic The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai. Goldlbum dresses-up in a cowboy get-up, as the uproarious New Jersey. Pee Wee even wears similar get-up when he dresses-up as the bull-rider in Big Adventure. "A Little yeh, I can dance!" That’s a good one man, I forgot about him in Buckaroo Banzai. It just shows how much sci-fi he’s done in his career. Transylvania 6-5000 was crap though to be honest.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 3:30:16 GMT
Michael KeatonGenre: Dark ComedyOkay, this was one was suggested by Pupdrucs, and it absolutely makes perfect sense too. Michael Keaton and Tom Hanks are a lot closer career-wise and in personality then you might think, they just diverged into different career paths. One of the ways in which they are different, is in how they approached comedy. When Tom Hanks was a comic actor, he was much more of a goofy, charming, obliviously observer seemingly to everything around him. Keaton started out sorta like this, but was a lot more sarcastic, and this made him more way more apt for paying darkly morbid comedic character, even as his career diverged from silly comedies. Beetlejuice, Riggan Thomson, even Batman to a certain extent, and more recently Ray Kroc, characters that sometimes have questionable beliefs, but since Keaton is an appealing screen presence, you buy it. Even something like The Dream Team, a rather bizarre forgotten flick, is basically a darkly comedic thriller-spin on One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. One of the things I especially appreciate about Keaton’s sense of humor, is that he knows how to deliver a joke that's in bad taste. There are multiple examples in Beetlejuice of this alone, but the bit that always got me was, “I'll eat anything you want me to eat. I'll swallow anything you want me to swallow. But, come on down and I'll... chew on a dog! Arroooo!”. The fact that he leaves an impression on us in that film, in spite of his rather limited screen time, is a testament to his skills as a performer, and ability to make us laugh during a bad situation, and as proven with Birdman and The Founder, he's still got it too. In particular in Birdman his character Riggan, is all about being morbid, and making belligerent remarks, which is one of the many things I appreciate about that film, and his performance. He's not afraid to be mean. Nice take I sometimes wonder if Keaton is part of the reason I've never been fully sold on Hanks, even though objectively you have to admit he's an extremely talented man (and comfortably the 2nd most accomplished American actor of his generation in career terms). With Keaton though, a very similar talent, there just feels way more beneath the surface of his dramatic work than I ever really get from Hanks. A psychological underpinning and complexity at work. For me, Keaton's work as Batman/Bruce Wayne has more psychological depth and complexity than any single dramatic performance I've seen from Hanks. I still maintain, that while a solid/capable dramatist, Hanks still excels far more in comic roles ( Big, Forrest Gump).On the other side, Keaton may have been too complicated for his own good to have had Hanks career. Hanks radiates simplicity....he's good and true and that's all there is to it. There is way too much of an undercurrent of darkness in Keaton to be America's Dad, the way Hanks became.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2019 3:48:03 GMT
Michael KeatonGenre: Dark ComedyOkay, this was one was suggested by Pupdrucs, and it absolutely makes perfect sense too. Michael Keaton and Tom Hanks are a lot closer career-wise and in personality then you might think, they just diverged into different career paths. One of the ways in which they are different, is in how they approached comedy. When Tom Hanks was a comic actor, he was much more of a goofy, charming, obliviously observer seemingly to everything around him. Keaton started out sorta like this, but was a lot more sarcastic, and this made him more way more apt for paying darkly morbid comedic character, even as his career diverged from silly comedies. Beetlejuice, Riggan Thomson, even Batman to a certain extent, and more recently Ray Kroc, characters that sometimes have questionable beliefs, but since Keaton is an appealing screen presence, you buy it. Even something like The Dream Team, a rather bizarre forgotten flick, is basically a darkly comedic thriller-spin on One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest. One of the things I especially appreciate about Keaton’s sense of humor, is that he knows how to deliver a joke that's in bad taste. There are multiple examples in Beetlejuice of this alone, but the bit that always got me was, “I'll eat anything you want me to eat. I'll swallow anything you want me to swallow. But, come on down and I'll... chew on a dog! Arroooo!”. The fact that he leaves an impression on us in that film, in spite of his rather limited screen time, is a testament to his skills as a performer, and ability to make us laugh during a bad situation, and as proven with Birdman and The Founder, he's still got it too. In particular in Birdman his character Riggan, is all about being morbid, and making belligerent remarks, which is one of the many things I appreciate about that film, and his performance. He's not afraid to be mean. Nice take I sometimes wonder if Keaton is part of the reason I've never been fully sold on Hanks, even though objectively you have to admit he's an extremely talented man. With Keaton though, a very similar talent, there just feels way more beneath the surface of his dramatic work than I ever really get from Hanks. A psychological underpinning and complexity at work. For me, Keaton's work as Batman/Bruce Wayne has more psychological depth and complexity than any single dramatic performance I've seen from Hanks. I still maintain, that while a solid/capable dramatist, Hanks still excels far more in comic roles ( Big, Forrest Gump).On the other side, Keaton may have been too complicated for his own good to have had Hanks career. Hanks radiates simplicity....he's good and true and that's all there is to it. There is way too much of an undercurrent of darkness in Keaton to be America's Dad, the way Hanks became. Thanks. Admittedly this was written on the fly, so I probably repeated myself more then once, but I think I got the main point across. I think one of the things that Keaton has over Hanks is that he's a lot more believably gruff. He looks and sounds like somebody who could play a mob enforcer, or a secret villain, which he has done more then once, and Hanks has the more natural charisma, and down to earth appeal in comparison, hence him becoming "America's favorite actor". I absolutely adore Keaton when he plays slimebags. There's just some inherently charismatic and entertaining, where even when he's playing a really bad character like The Vulture, you secretly still somehow want to root for him, and his great sense of humor helps a lot. To me, it looks like those years being a stand-up comedian, and honing his skills in films like Mr. Mom, really seemed to have paid off.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 3:57:35 GMT
Nice take I sometimes wonder if Keaton is part of the reason I've never been fully sold on Hanks, even though objectively you have to admit he's an extremely talented man. With Keaton though, a very similar talent, there just feels way more beneath the surface of his dramatic work than I ever really get from Hanks. A psychological underpinning and complexity at work. For me, Keaton's work as Batman/Bruce Wayne has more psychological depth and complexity than any single dramatic performance I've seen from Hanks. I still maintain, that while a solid/capable dramatist, Hanks still excels far more in comic roles ( Big, Forrest Gump).On the other side, Keaton may have been too complicated for his own good to have had Hanks career. Hanks radiates simplicity....he's good and true and that's all there is to it. There is way too much of an undercurrent of darkness in Keaton to be America's Dad, the way Hanks became. Thanks. Admittedly this was written on the fly, so I probably repeated myself more then once, but I think I got the main point across. I think one of the things that Keaton has over Hanks is that he's a lot more believably gruff. He looks and sounds like somebody who could play a mob enforcer, or a secret villain, which he has done more then once, and Hanks has the more natural charisma, and down to earth appeal in comparison, hence him becoming "America's favorite actor". I absolutely adore Keaton when he plays slimebags. There's just some inherently charismatic and entertaining, where even when he's playing a really bad character like The Vulture, you secretly still somehow want to root for him, and his great sense of humor helps a lot. To me, it looks like those years being a stand-up comedian, and honing his skills in films like Mr. Mom, really seemed to have paid off. Keaton plays an amazing slimebag (he"s almost too good at it....shades of Kevin Spacey maybe ). I really wasn't expecting much from his Vulture in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Seemed like a sweet paycheck gig he'd coast through. But man, he was genuinely scary at times, yet you sympathised for this cold blooded killer/crook and sorta understood where he was coming from. Few actors but Keaton could pull that off. It's in his charisma and inherent complex nature.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2019 4:08:12 GMT
Thanks. Admittedly this was written on the fly, so I probably repeated myself more then once, but I think I got the main point across. I think one of the things that Keaton has over Hanks is that he's a lot more believably gruff. He looks and sounds like somebody who could play a mob enforcer, or a secret villain, which he has done more then once, and Hanks has the more natural charisma, and down to earth appeal in comparison, hence him becoming "America's favorite actor". I absolutely adore Keaton when he plays slimebags. There's just some inherently charismatic and entertaining, where even when he's playing a really bad character like The Vulture, you secretly still somehow want to root for him, and his great sense of humor helps a lot. To me, it looks like those years being a stand-up comedian, and honing his skills in films like Mr. Mom, really seemed to have paid off. Keaton plays an amazing slimebag (he"s almost too good at it....shades of Kevin Spacey maybe ). I really wasn't expecting much from his Vulture in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Seemed like a sweet paycheck gig he'd coast through. But man, he was genuinely scary at times, yet you sympathised for this cold blooded killer/crook and sorta understood where he was coming from. Few actors but Keaton could pull that off. It's in his charisma and inherent complex nature. Oh god, I hope not. That would make these posts horribly outdated in the future. For me Keaton is a great baddie, because of how sympathetic he can play. He's bad, but you find him engaging. That's a huge part of why his interpretation of The Vulture worked. That car scene in particular is a great example of tension building, and he does it in his normal clothes. I'm so glad they didn't kill him off, and I hope they bring him back for the third Spidey film.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 5:24:14 GMT
Keaton plays an amazing slimebag (he"s almost too good at it....shades of Kevin Spacey maybe ). I really wasn't expecting much from his Vulture in Spider-Man: Homecoming. Seemed like a sweet paycheck gig he'd coast through. But man, he was genuinely scary at times, yet you sympathised for this cold blooded killer/crook and sorta understood where he was coming from. Few actors but Keaton could pull that off. It's in his charisma and inherent complex nature. Oh god, I hope not. That would make these posts horribly outdated in the future. For me Keaton is a great baddie, because of how sympathetic he can play. He's bad, but you find him engaging. That's a huge part of why his interpretation of The Vulture worked. That car scene in particular is a great example of tension building, and he does it in his normal clothes. I'm so glad they didn't kill him off, and I hope they bring him back for the third Spidey film. I think Keaton is coming back to the Spidey films. Hell, I can see Keaton's Vulture turning up in some other corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe as well (for example, as an antagonist in The Falcon & Winter Soldier Disney + series. Makes sense for a superhero and super-villian who both have artificial wings as a gimmick to cross paths). Kevin Feige doesn't waste actors the calibre of Keaton, when he leaves the door open for them to return to Marvel. The guy managed to convince Natalie Portman to return for the fourth Thor film last week, even though she bitched endlessly in public about not enjoying what she considered a thankless role as the love interest. So he says she can play the Female Thor and Portman comes running back. Not sure I've seen a blockbuster producer actors love as much as Feige.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 28, 2019 5:41:41 GMT
Oh god, I hope not. That would make these posts horribly outdated in the future. For me Keaton is a great baddie, because of how sympathetic he can play. He's bad, but you find him engaging. That's a huge part of why his interpretation of The Vulture worked. That car scene in particular is a great example of tension building, and he does it in his normal clothes. I'm so glad they didn't kill him off, and I hope they bring him back for the third Spidey film. I think Keaton is coming back to the Spidey films. Hell, I can see Keaton's Vulture turning up in some other corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe as well (for example, as an antagonist in The Falcon & Winter Soldier Disney + series. Makes sense for a superhero and super-villian who both have artificial wings as a gimmick to cross paths). Kevin Feige doesn't waste actors the calibre of Keaton, when he leaves the door open for them to return to Marvel. The guy managed to convince Natalie Portman to return for the fourth Thor film last week, even though she bitched endlessly in public about not enjoying what she considered a thankless role as the love interest. So he says she can play the Female Thor and Portman comes running back. Not sure I've seen a blockbuster producer actors love as much as Feige. Yeah, I don't doubt Feige's ingeniousness. He's the most successful currently working producer for a reason, after all. Keaton's definitely coming back, especially if he gets a good paycheck out of it. I'm particularly looking forward to seeing him appear with Bookem Woodbine as Shocker, and Michael Mando as the full Scorpion, especially if they do go down that path. Should be fun!
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 28, 2019 9:45:06 GMT
I'm beginning to love Woods, and I'm sort of in the middle of a streak - Cop, The Hard Way, True Believer, Against All Odds, and just watched True Crime a smaller role where he's hilarious and Mamet-like, working my way to his bigger darker stuff and eventually the Leone which I haven't seen! So thx Pac for those mentions I'll look into them. I've seen The Onion Field and that's his best I think, electrically sadistic, amusing but very disturbing. I said recently he has a great ability to be loose and energetic and channel that into an intensity or snap it away into something serious deeper unsettling like with his deadly glares. That's something too - those stares, he can really powerdrive a closeup. Most impressively.... idk who else can feel so dangerous on screen which isn't easy to do. He's a real good actor to talk about - recently did him on the stage/TV/film thread where we talk about how he typecast himself and has more or less driven himself out of film - some say because of his politics but it started earlier and heck I say it's because his opinions on the 3 best actors suggests f'n full blown dementia but I digress. For a time he was far more major than he appeared or appeared to be far more major than he was (take your pick) - he won 2 huge Emmy's in a row beating Robert Duvall in one of his greatest roles - and that was for his 2nd one (!?!) - that was kind of historic and speaks to the myth that "big actors" won Emmy's just by going on TV (way more complicated than that). There is a famous story about how he fired his agent because his agent never gave him the script to Reservoir Dogs. Look at his career after not doing that film ..........Cruel business and not an immediate dropoff but it starts there and so does the typecasting himself......good call on being dangerous on screen - he was - that's the same thing with Rock bands - everybody wants to be the 'Mats...........they end up the Goo Goo Dolls - genuinely scary on film doesn't happen nearly as much as it "should".
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 28, 2019 13:27:22 GMT
Putting Michael Keaton under the "dark comedy" umbrella was one hell of an idea!!!
I could also add Jackie Brown, Jack Frost and even Clean and Sober in his dark comedic roles.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 17:36:29 GMT
Nicole Kidman
Genre: Psychological Drama/Thriller
Kidman has many attributes that have made her a compelling screen actor and star for several decades now, but one of her most powerful attributes as an actor is how cerebral she can be. Through minimal looks, movements and gestures, Kidman can effectively convey the inner-life of a character more than some actors can manage with a 10 page monologue.
This ability has allowed Kidman over the years to deliver some of the most complicated and nuanced portrayals of women in English speaking film, TV and theatre. Her international breakthrough was the psychological thriller Dead Calm, where Kidman (only 22 at the time) seemed older and wiser than her years. She was so good in that role, that not long after she arrived in Hollywood, she was cast opposite monologue heavy hitter Alec Baldwin in Malice, one of Kidman's more underrated roles and movies. A twisty, pulpy movie where none of the characters can be trusted, it's a lot of fun. Kidman and Baldwin compliment each other perfectly.
From The Portrait Of A Lady, To Die For, Eyes Wide Shut, The Hours, The Others, Birth, Dogville, Margot At The Wedding, Rabbit Hole, Stoker, The Killing Of A Sacred Deer, Destroyer and most recently on television Big Little Lies, Kidman has covered such a ridiculously wide and complex range of the female psyche, with no compromise in how she goes about it, that it's actually quite hard to give her enough credit. Suffice to say she is one of the finest actresses of all time, and her work in this "genre" has taken her legend to the heights of her profession. Below, a clip of a brutalised Grace Margaret Mulligan (Kidman) exacting a brutal revenge on the town of Dogville. (if you still havent seen Dogville after 16 years, *Spoilers*, it's the film's ending).
And Kidman in Destroyer, giving for me one of the greatest and most unique female performances of the decade.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 28, 2019 17:59:53 GMT
Hmmmmmmm........I'd say Kidman doesn't fit that genre and to me she doesn't fit it in an odd way - she's sharp and quick as an actress but her directors here either aren't or are more running the psychology through someone else. So her intellect is separate from the genre.
Think about it like this:
Birth is a great one and one of her best and most well thought out performances - one that she in some ways has parodied I'd say - but Dogville (which I loathe as a film) undercuts much of the psychological component with narration (maddening, insipid narration). Destroyer makes less psychological sense as it goes on not more and is a very bad film imo, "Sacred Deer" is more a psychological group piece but not through her as much (love that film) and in that way is like Stoker (love that film too) but again the psychology is mostly cut off from her (Eyes Wide Shut - hate the film - is psychologically through Cruise but she gives the better performance in a different way).
This is a problem for her because what she's great at - sort of a suffering escalating madness - would lend itself to this genre but she hasn't had the material in the way Irons, Huppert and Streep have and where they've added that component by themselves (or more to her age group Julianne Moore).
Sometimes she got it, and did well - Birth - and sometimes she didn't really convey any psychological component at all (Fur etc) - I think this is a genre she could excel in though and maybe that's to come too.
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Post by stephen on Jul 28, 2019 18:18:16 GMT
It's not really a "genre," but I think it should be noted that Robert Downey, Jr. gave the three best performances of his career by playing actors: Chaplin, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (kinda; he was a fledgling actor), and Tropic Thunder. Downey's really good at playing all angles of Hollywood.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 28, 2019 18:39:24 GMT
It's not really a "genre," but I think it should be noted that Robert Downey, Jr. gave the three best performances of his career by playing actors: Chaplin, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (kinda; he was a fledgling actor), and Tropic Thunder. Downey's really good at playing all angles of Hollywood. Tony Stark is an actor ?And yes, cumatively even though it creatively stifled his career, Stark is for me anyway one of the his top 3 performances (He's terrific in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, but he showed about a thousand times more heart and emotion in Avengers: Endgame and Captain America: Civil War (his two best showings as Stark) , but also all the snark and sarcasm we expect from Downey).
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Post by Drish on Jul 28, 2019 19:40:36 GMT
It's not really a "genre," but I think it should be noted that Robert Downey, Jr. gave the three best performances of his career by playing actors: Chaplin, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (kinda; he was a fledgling actor), and Tropic Thunder. Downey's really good at playing all angles of Hollywood. I guess my dear Naomi Watts has given some of her best performances playing a struggling actress too be it Mulholland Dr., Ellie Parker, King Kong, Birdman. She'll also be seen playing a has-been actress in the upcoming Wolf Hour, for which her performance got some good reviews. So yay! 🥳. Edit: Oh, and one of her most hilarious performances in a short called Never Date An Actress. She played this shallow actress girlfriend of a man and is a hoot in it.
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