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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 7, 2019 21:02:59 GMT
Jack NicholsonFilm Genre : Americana@raygittes07 because well, you know ........ The most lauded/awarded American film actor - ever - in a genre which some wouldn't think of as genre at all? The film term Americana usually is used to apply to distinctly American-isms - ie films on the Civil War or Westerns say etc. - but I'd argue Jack Nicholson is so great a film icon he not only defines this (too) broad genre he transcends it . Even films you wouldn't think at first fit, actually do often seemingly because of him - he is an original American-ism in and of himself.. No other actor - not John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Robert Duvall others that seem like they apply - ever said more in as many ways or represented more about his country and its paradoxes. One of the best and the single most important film actor of his generation in several ways - and he comes from a generation of very great and important actors - he himself conveys America at its most restless and curious. He in effect was like Robert Altman as an actor - appearing across material that revealed the beauty, horror, humor and sadness of late 20th century American culture. Tragedies of family and capitalistic commerce (Five Easy Pieces, Chinatown, King of Marvin Gardens), comedies that then soured into drama about our bureaucracies and power structures in American culture - sexual, military, authoritarian (Carnal Knowledge, The Last Detail, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest), our pop-Art (Batman), our high Art too (Eugene O'Neill in Reds). What's more this was reflected in his characters own mixed feelings about where he was and what it meant then and how it may end up - his great Easy Rider speech about America specifically for example, the disconnect of family and purpose in About Schmidt, the unkept promise implicit in The Pledge. To Nicholson these characters well that was America, the past and the present at odds, promises made that couldn't completely be honored, families held together and separated by time - by the most tenuous strings in a land too big to fail and too noble in principle to fail even. His solution was to portray it as honestly as possible and I'd say many Americans would say that their life - their real life, not some Hollywood version of it could be represented in his characters and by extension in this actor himself. The man himself, lost in the supermarket, from About Schmidt: I know my post doesn't really belong to this thread but, as I'm not American, I was wondering if Jack has ever done theatre. And if he has, why didn't he continue? Is there any post in the best actors across all media thread? I'd really like to know.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 7, 2019 22:00:11 GMT
I know my post doesn't really belong to this thread but, as I'm not American, I was wondering if Jack has ever done theatre. And if he has, why didn't he continue? Is there any post in the best actors across all media thread? I'd really like to know. TerryMontana - It's a good question - very little theater as a young man and none once he got into TV/movies. Basically his early B-movies and TV work was his training. He's not talked about yet in the "across all media thread" but we could cover him in the same way we covered Daniel Day-Lewis (who did a lot as a young man but stopped in 1989) in that is Jack Nicholson so great just for his film work does that film work outweigh the work of other actors who did all mediums etc. I actually think that's a great question to consider and you can structure a lot of good arguments for and against different actors based on that question which actually also pertains to some of the biggest current actors (DiCaprio and Phoenix both of whom have not done theater).
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 7, 2019 22:12:36 GMT
I know my post doesn't really belong to this thread but, as I'm not American, I was wondering if Jack has ever done theatre. And if he has, why didn't he continue? Is there any post in the best actors across all media thread? I'd really like to know. TerryMontana - It's a good question - very little theater as a young man and none once he got into TV/movies. Basically his early B-movies and TV work was his training. He's not talked about yet in the "across all media thread" but we could cover him in the same way we covered Daniel Day-Lewis (who did a lot as a young man but stopped in 1989) in that is Jack Nicholson so great just for his film work does that film work outweigh the work of other actors who did all mediums etc. I actually think that's a great question to consider and you can structure a lot of good arguments for and against different actors based on that question which actually also pertains to some of the biggest current actors (DiCaprio and Phoenix both of whom have not done theater). I guess it's all about how high does somebody rank the stage work. These guys' movie work has made them major stars worldwide but stage is something totally different (tv not that much maybe). And actors with small movie career but great stage work (I think Mark Rylance belonged to that category before his Oscar, maybe I'm wrong) maybe are considered more accomplished but not as acclaimed as their movie colleagues.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jul 7, 2019 23:37:13 GMT
Arnold Schwarzenegger started from nowhere, with nothing and he becames one of the most successful person in history of humankind imo. And on our thread's subjet, one of the greatest action movies stars of all time. He began as an action star through pure, muscle-bound spectacle, he was physically so big and imposing with his authoritative voice and the exaggerated Austrian accent that added to the mysterious, charismatic persona and perfectly matched with his "inhuman" body, HE was the special effect that wowed audiences. And he's a better (limited) actor than some give him credits for, he's very intelligent, cunning and aware of what he's doing (btw more people not into bodybuilding should watch Pumping Iron), his ability to transform these sometimes ridiculous/cheesy one-liners into cool, badass and endlessy quotables stuff is a special skill that has been immitated by others actors with much less success. All in all, an unique movie star Legend with some of the greatest action movies of his resume.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 7, 2019 23:51:18 GMT
Arnold Schwarzenegger started from nowhere, with nothing and he becames one of the most successful person in history of humankind imo. And on our thread's subjet, one of the greatest action movies stars of all time. He began as an action star through pure, muscle-bound spectacle, he was physically so big and imposing with his authoritative voice and the exaggerated Austrian accent that added to the mysterious, charismatic persona and perfectly matched with his "inhuman" body, HE was the special effect that wowed audiences. And he's a better (limited) actor than some give him credits for, he's very intelligent, cunning and aware of what he's doing (btw more people not into bodybuilding should watch Pumping Iron), his ability to transform these sometimes ridiculous/cheesy one-liners into cool, badass and endlessy quotables stuff is a special skill that has been immitated by others actors with much less success. All in all, an unique movie star Legend with some of the greatest action movies of his resume. Great choice! I was probably going to do Arnie at some point, but was hoping someone would get there first. You are right that he is a better actor than people give him credit for. People see the muscles and the thick Austrian accent and underestimate his ability to understand nuance. His comic timing is actually incredible at times, and he has an innate ability to know how to deliver a line in a neccesary context. Total Recall isn't a good performance for an Austrian bodybuilder. It's just a very good performance by an actor, full stop. Yeah, he's not suited to many things, but neither was John Wayne. Go figure. I wonder if we will see a new generation of Schwarzenegger make it big in acting, and specifically the action genre. His son Joseph Baena is like a spitting image of him and has his physique (to an extent). I could see him in the Terminator role in a decade or so. Then again, they kept trying to make Scott Eastwood , and while he had the looks, the talent and charisma of his old man just wasn't there. Maybe Arnie's kid will have "it". How would you say Arnie compares to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, whom many would regard as his replacement?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 8, 2019 2:27:35 GMT
John C. ReillyGenre: Comedy - Satire/ParodyOk, for my last post in this thread (awwwww) where I've already covered many of the very finest thespians across many genres - it's now time to cover the obvious one finally............martial arts star extraordinaire Cynthia Rothrock! Nah, just kidding but if you got that joke ...............color me impressed. John C. Reilly is my pick here because well, I love to laugh and the way he plays this genre is often stupidly inspired - he always finds the right tone and gets the most out of it - I'm not kidding he cracked me up in Holmes & Watson even - I can't lie. Across Talladega Nights, Step Brothers, The Lobster, he steals scene after scene in a very sneaky way - he's not the lead to dominate by being merely straight man or a goof - he has to play a slightly off version of reality - recognizable but heightened and again he can't lose the pitch he's set these performances at - and he never does. All the work pales next to his lead role in Walk Hard where he plays Dewey Cox across a hilarious range of pop culture phases and eras. It was a comic triumph and literally people who don't love Dewey Cox aren't entirely someone I would trust completely or would lend money to/borrow money from. Ok, maybe borrow money from but still. This Dewey Cox clip is a great example of why Reilly completely rules this genre - in less than 4 minutes he speaks Yiddish (wait is that Hebrew?), cures his addiction, has the single greatest kiss in movie history and look at the ripped abs he got for this role - THAT's dedication
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jul 8, 2019 9:34:35 GMT
Arnold Schwarzenegger started from nowhere, with nothing and he becames one of the most successful person in history of humankind imo. And on our thread's subjet, one of the greatest action movies stars of all time. He began as an action star through pure, muscle-bound spectacle, he was physically so big and imposing with his authoritative voice and the exaggerated Austrian accent that added to the mysterious, charismatic persona and perfectly matched with his "inhuman" body, HE was the special effect that wowed audiences. And he's a better (limited) actor than some give him credits for, he's very intelligent, cunning and aware of what he's doing (btw more people not into bodybuilding should watch Pumping Iron), his ability to transform these sometimes ridiculous/cheesy one-liners into cool, badass and endlessy quotables stuff is a special skill that has been immitated by others actors with much less success. All in all, an unique movie star Legend with some of the greatest action movies of his resume. Great choice! I was probably going to do Arnie at some point, but was hoping someone would get there first. You are right that he is a better actor than people give him credit for. People see the muscles and the thick Austrian accent and underestimate his ability to understand nuance. His comic timing is actually incredible at times, and he has an innate ability to know how to deliver a line in a neccesary context. Total Recall isn't a good performance for an Austrian bodybuilder. It's just a very good performance by an actor, full stop. Yeah, he's not suited to many things, but neither was John Wayne. Go figure. I wonder if we will see a new generation of Schwarzenegger make it big in acting, and specifically the action genre. His son Joseph Baena is like a spitting image of him and has his physique (to an extent). I could see him in the Terminator role in a decade or so. Then again, they kept trying to make Scott Eastwood , and while he had the looks, the talent and charisma of his old man just wasn't there. Maybe Arnie's kid will have "it". How would you say Arnie compares to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, whom many would regard as his replacement? I like Dwayne Johnson, I even follow him on insta (still waiting this b*stard to do the same tho.), natural charisma, great body and all but when your best film is Jumanji (or Pain & Gain for my tastes)...it's a problem. He is yet to find a role that will define his career and it seems like his movies quality (that wasn't high to begin with) is even decreasing (Baywatch, Skyscraper, Rampage...all during the last few years). Not saying Arnold didn't make bad movies but overall he has a very good grasp of quality control, better than most action stars and of course these career defining action roles. Keanu Reeves is like that too, he has bad action movies but you automatically think of Neo or John Wick, even Denzel who is not primarly an action star, John Creasy and The Equalizer come to mind automatically but Dwayne Johnson ? As commercially (and on social medias) successful as he is, he's still The Rock.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 8, 2019 10:35:13 GMT
Great choice! I was probably going to do Arnie at some point, but was hoping someone would get there first. You are right that he is a better actor than people give him credit for. People see the muscles and the thick Austrian accent and underestimate his ability to understand nuance. His comic timing is actually incredible at times, and he has an innate ability to know how to deliver a line in a neccesary context. Total Recall isn't a good performance for an Austrian bodybuilder. It's just a very good performance by an actor, full stop. Yeah, he's not suited to many things, but neither was John Wayne. Go figure. I wonder if we will see a new generation of Schwarzenegger make it big in acting, and specifically the action genre. His son Joseph Baena is like a spitting image of him and has his physique (to an extent). I could see him in the Terminator role in a decade or so. Then again, they kept trying to make Scott Eastwood , and while he had the looks, the talent and charisma of his old man just wasn't there. Maybe Arnie's kid will have "it". How would you say Arnie compares to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, whom many would regard as his replacement? I like Dwayne Johnson, I even follow him on insta (still waiting this b*stard to do the same tho.), natural charisma, great body and all but when your best film is Jumanji (or Pain & Gain for my tastes)...it's a problem. He is yet to find a role that will define his career and it seems like his movies quality (that wasn't high to begin with) is even decreasing (Baywatch, Skyscraper, Rampage...all during the last few years). Not saying Arnold didn't make bad movies but overall he has a very good grasp of quality control, better than most action stars and of course these career defining action roles. Keanu Reeves is like that too, he has bad action movies but you automatically think of Neo or John Wick, even Denzel who is not primarly an action star, John Creasy and The Equalizer come to mind automatically but Dwayne Johnson ? As commercially (and on social medias) successful as he is, he's still The Rock. You may have hit the nail on the head with Dwayne. He just doesn't have the movies does he? Many of his films make shit tonnes of money, but are so utterly disposable and forgetable. Arnie was fortunate off the bat to work with some great filmmakers, notably James Cameron, who could give him classics like Terminator, T2: Judgement Day and True Lies. He had Paul Verhoeven, Richard Fleischer, John Milius. These are some incredible, all-time level directors in the action genre and he made films with all of them. The industry has changed so much that Johnson can't attract that level of top-tier talent to his productions, even though on paper his physique and talent compares well to Arnie. But but he can't compare without the films to match.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 8, 2019 10:52:49 GMT
Julie Andrews
Genre: Musical
Who is the greatest female musical film star of all time? If you said Liza Minnelli, you'd be wrong. If you said Liza's mother, Judy Garland, you might be closer to the mark. If you said Barbara Streisand, you might also have a case.
But such is the impact Julie Andrews has made on the musical genre, that you could probably argue the case of her being the greatest ever musical film performer, regardless of gender.
Andrews has defined the childhood of multiple generations. He work, her films and most importantly her beautiful, incandescent voice, still transcends.
Andrews made her bones as a musical theatre actress in the London West End, then later Broadway, appearing in such productiond as Camelot and My Fair Lady.
Hollywood could not ignore her talent, though they initially tried, with Andrews being passed over by studio execs for the film version of Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady with the vocally challenged Audrey Hepburn being dubbed by the redoubtable Marnie Nixon. It caused a bit of a stir in Hollywood and the theatre community that Andrews was passed over for that role, but she had the last laugh as Disney snapped her up for Mary Poppins, Andrews win the Best Actress Oscar and an icon was born.
Andrews then went on to actually surpass the iconic success of Mary Poppins by playing the willful Nun turned Governess turned step-mother to an army of children in Nazi era Austria. The Sound Of Music was a sweeping epic of a musical that became the biggest musical of all time. The fulcrum of it's success was based on Andrews effervescent screen persona and her incredible vocal interpretations. Andrews went on to do more successful musicals (Victor/Victoria, Throughly Modern Millie) but it's pretty hard to top the biggest musical of all time. It's a tragedy that Andrews effectively lost her singing voice after a surgery to fix some vocal nodules. But the magic of film and celluloid means we will always have the magic of her voice, which is one of my favorite things.
A deliberate pun, as the video below has Andrews singing My Favorite Things from Sound Of Music. Listen and enjoy a master (or mistress if you want to be gender specific) of their artform.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jul 8, 2019 12:41:21 GMT
I like Dwayne Johnson, I even follow him on insta (still waiting this b*stard to do the same tho.), natural charisma, great body and all but when your best film is Jumanji (or Pain & Gain for my tastes)...it's a problem. He is yet to find a role that will define his career and it seems like his movies quality (that wasn't high to begin with) is even decreasing (Baywatch, Skyscraper, Rampage...all during the last few years). Not saying Arnold didn't make bad movies but overall he has a very good grasp of quality control, better than most action stars and of course these career defining action roles. Keanu Reeves is like that too, he has bad action movies but you automatically think of Neo or John Wick, even Denzel who is not primarly an action star, John Creasy and The Equalizer come to mind automatically but Dwayne Johnson ? As commercially (and on social medias) successful as he is, he's still The Rock. You may have hit the nail on the head with Dwayne. He just doesn't have the movies does he? Many of his films make shit tonnes of money, but are so utterly disposable and forgetable. Arnie was fortunate off the bat to work with some great filmmakers, notably James Cameron, who could give him classics like Terminator, T2: Judgement Day and True Lies. He had Paul Verhoeven, Richard Fleischer, John Milius. These are some incredible, all-time level directors in the action genre and he made films with all of them. The industry has changed so much that Johnson can't attract that level of top-tier talent to his productions, even though on paper his physique and talent compares well to Arnie. But but he can't compare without the films to match. Yeah that's a dreamy list of (action) diretors to work with and it was in a different time, considered as the golden era of action films in Hollywood, Dwayne Johnson can't compare but I'm just asking him to have an action role that starts to define something in his career, I think he's a good addition to the Fast & Furious franchise but I give much more credits to the originals, Vin & Paul, Jason Statham has The Transporter, even Gerard Butler who tends to do the same kind of shitty movies as DJ has Leonidas. And I like him more than all the actors I previously mentionned but considering his success, fame, salary, etc... his contribution to the genre is extremely mediocre, so far.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 8, 2019 16:05:23 GMT
Julie Andrews
Genre: Musical
Who is the greatest female musical film star of all time? If you said Liza Minnelli, you'd be wrong. If you said Liza's mother, Judy Garland, you might be closer to the mark. If you said Barbara Streisand, you might also have a case.
But such is the impact Julie Andrews has made on the musical genre, that you could probably argue the case of her being the greatest ever musical film performer, regardless of gender.
Andrews has defined the childhood of multiple generations. He work, her films and most importantly her beautiful, incandescent voice, still transcends.
Andrews made her bones as a musical theatre actress in the London West End, then later Broadway, appearing in such productiond as Camelot and My Fair Lady.
Hollywood could not ignore her talent, though they initially tried, with Andrews being passed over by studio execs for the film version of Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady with the vocally challenged Audrey Hepburn being dubbed by the redoubtable Marnie Nixon. It caused a bit of a stir in Hollywood and the theatre community that Andrews was passed over for that role, but she had the last laugh as Disney snapped her up for Mary Poppins, Andrews win the Best Actress Oscar and an icon was born.
Andrews then went on to actually surpass the iconic success of Mary Poppins by playing the willful Nun turned Governess turned step-mother to an army of children in Nazi era Austria. The Sound Of Music was a sweeping epic of a musical that became the biggest musical of all time. The fulcrum of it's success was based on Andrews effervescent screen persona and her incredible vocal interpretations. Andrews went on to do more successful musicals (Victor/Victoria, Throughly Modern Millie) but it's pretty hard to top the biggest musical of all time. It's a tragedy that Andrews effectively lost her singing voice after a surgery to fix some vocal nodules. But the magic of film and celluloid means we will always have the magic of her voice, which is one of my favorite things.
A deliberate pun, as the video below has Andrews singing My Favorite Things from Sound Of Music. Listen and enjoy a master (or mistress if you want to be gender specific) of their artform.
Andrews also famously got typecasted hard into musicals, which really had a negative effect on her career early on. It's easy to forget just how quick she rose and fell, within four years, she was starring in flops like Star and Darling Lili, and only did three movies in the seventies. A good majority of the films she did in the eighties were directed by her husband Blake Edwards, as well. The studio leaned way too much on her "prim and proper" persona, and it backfired really hard. They assumed that people just wanted to hear her sing (etc... what happened with Darling Lili). It's why when she did things like S.O.B., she deliberately played with her persona. When I was a kid, I would have loved to have seen her live, back when her voice was still "living". She has one of the greatest voices of stage or film, period. She's also a real entertainer by all accounts, and knew how to keep the audience "busy", with great anecdotal stories, whenever she would perform on stage as well.
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 8, 2019 17:00:22 GMT
Micheal Cera in adorable weird nerdy teens.-
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 8, 2019 17:02:33 GMT
Greta Garbo. Genre Melodrama. Specially the ones that she died at the end, or just get alone.-
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 8, 2019 17:04:43 GMT
Scarlett Johansson Genre Sci Fy.
She sucks in everything else since Lost in Translation. Yep I consider Match Poin the most Scify Woody Allen film since the 70s.-
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Post by hugobolso on Jul 8, 2019 17:07:26 GMT
Kenneth Branagh Prof. Actor, director and Larry Olivier Impersonator.- Genre Shakespeare plays, Shakesperan movies (like Thor or Cinderella) and Shakesperean Actors impersonator. He sucked as romance hero.-
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 8, 2019 22:22:37 GMT
Julie Andrews
Genre: Musical
Who is the greatest female musical film star of all time? If you said Liza Minnelli, you'd be wrong. If you said Liza's mother, Judy Garland, you might be closer to the mark. If you said Barbara Streisand, you might also have a case.
But such is the impact Julie Andrews has made on the musical genre, that you could probably argue the case of her being the greatest ever musical film performer, regardless of gender.
Andrews has defined the childhood of multiple generations. He work, her films and most importantly her beautiful, incandescent voice, still transcends.
Andrews made her bones as a musical theatre actress in the London West End, then later Broadway, appearing in such productiond as Camelot and My Fair Lady.
Hollywood could not ignore her talent, though they initially tried, with Andrews being passed over by studio execs for the film version of Eliza Doolittle in My Fair Lady with the vocally challenged Audrey Hepburn being dubbed by the redoubtable Marnie Nixon. It caused a bit of a stir in Hollywood and the theatre community that Andrews was passed over for that role, but she had the last laugh as Disney snapped her up for Mary Poppins, Andrews win the Best Actress Oscar and an icon was born.
Andrews then went on to actually surpass the iconic success of Mary Poppins by playing the willful Nun turned Governess turned step-mother to an army of children in Nazi era Austria. The Sound Of Music was a sweeping epic of a musical that became the biggest musical of all time. The fulcrum of it's success was based on Andrews effervescent screen persona and her incredible vocal interpretations. Andrews went on to do more successful musicals (Victor/Victoria, Throughly Modern Millie) but it's pretty hard to top the biggest musical of all time. It's a tragedy that Andrews effectively lost her singing voice after a surgery to fix some vocal nodules. But the magic of film and celluloid means we will always have the magic of her voice, which is one of my favorite things.
A deliberate pun, as the video below has Andrews singing My Favorite Things from Sound Of Music. Listen and enjoy a master (or mistress if you want to be gender specific) of their artform.
Andrews also famously got typecasted hard into musicals, which really had a negative effect on her career early on. It's easy to forget just how quick she rose and fell, within four years, she was starring in flops like Star and Darling Lili, and only did three movies in the seventies. A good majority of the films she did in the eighties were directed by her husband Blake Edwards, as well. The studio leaned way too much on her "prim and proper" persona, and it backfired really hard. They assumed that people just wanted to hear her sing (etc... what happened with Darling Lili). It's why when she did things like S.O.B., she deliberately played with her persona. When I was a kid, I would have loved to have seen her live, back when her voice was still "living". She has one of the greatest voices of stage or film, period. She's also a real entertainer by all accounts, and knew how to keep the audience "busy", with great anecdotal stories, whenever she would perform on stage as well. I am aware of how her career in films might have felt stifled by being type cast as a musical actor (especially as popularity of musicals started to decline just as Andrews hit her peak). But she came to Hollywood as a musical theatre stage actress, so it's obvious she would always get typed as a musical actress. Andrews definitely was not made for most 70's filmmaking. Ultimately, maybe it was a blessing in disguise, as her legacy is so unshakable now, because of a handful of musicals in a short prime/peak.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 8, 2019 22:53:10 GMT
Andrews also famously got typecasted hard into musicals, which really had a negative effect on her career early on. It's easy to forget just how quick she rose and fell, within four years, she was starring in flops like Star and Darling Lili, and only did three movies in the seventies. A good majority of the films she did in the eighties were directed by her husband Blake Edwards, as well. The studio leaned way too much on her "prim and proper" persona, and it backfired really hard. They assumed that people just wanted to hear her sing (etc... what happened with Darling Lili). It's why when she did things like S.O.B., she deliberately played with her persona. When I was a kid, I would have loved to have seen her live, back when her voice was still "living". She has one of the greatest voices of stage or film, period. She's also a real entertainer by all accounts, and knew how to keep the audience "busy", with great anecdotal stories, whenever she would perform on stage as well. I am aware of how her career in films might have felt stifled by being type cast as a musical actor (especially as popularity of musicals started to decline just as Andrews hit her peak). But she came to Hollywood as a musical theatre stage actress, so it's obvious she would always get typed as a musical actress. Andrews definitely was not made for mist 70's filmmaking. Ultimately, maybe it was a bleading in disguise, as her legacy is so unshakable now, because of a handful of musicals in a short prime/peak. Oh I know. Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music have cemented Andrews' legacy. Plus even with those later failures, she still appeared in hits like 10, Victor Victoria, and The Princess Diaries, the later helping to keep her relevant with the millennial generation. So a few misses, couldn't keep her down for too long. I do think she could have done more then musicals, if she had been given the chance, as evident by The Americanization of Emily made the same year as Mary Poppins. A really good black and white satirical war dramedy, with a strong performance from her, but people and studios wanted to mostly here her sing, which is not a bad thing. She was one of the best singers in the business, during her prime.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 9, 2019 11:35:02 GMT
Kevin ConroyGenre: Voice-Over/AnimationWho Is the actor that has given the best performance in the role of Batman? Most people reflexively err to one of the several actors who have played the role in a live action incarnation. Michael Keaton, Christian Bale and so on. But to very many discerning people, the most brilliant and perhaps the definitive portrayal of The Dark Knight belongs to a man most people would not even recognise if he passed you in the street. Because Kevin Conroy, the brilliant, inspired voice-over actor, has never played Batman in live action . But his nuanced and modulated cadences have brought Bruce Wayne/Batman to life for hundreds of millions of people for the last 25 years, which is how long he has been playing the role across dozens (possibly hundreds at this point) of animated projects and video games. There have been actors that have filled in for the voice of Batman in various animated projects (notable ones with major live action careers like Peter Weller and Bruce Greenwood) but inevitably, Conroy is always asked to return, as his vocal styling have become so much the gold standard for the role, that his presence lends any voice-overs project featuring Batman major credibility. Conroy first voiced the role in the legendary, ground-breaking, Emmy Award winning Batman: The Animated Series in the early 90's, but he would get to voice the Dark Knight in at least one cinema release, 1993's Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm. Conroy's longevity and success in this iconic role has been stunning, particularly as studios have often been seeking out major movie stars and celebrities to do voice-overs work for their major characters in animation, as opposed to specialist voice-overs actors like Conroy. You might not be able to recognise him if he passed you in the street, but in his field, his genre of acting, his impact is undeniable and worthy of praise. Below is a video of the great voice-over actor at work , with a terrific Mark Hamill also doing his iconic voice interpretation of The Joker:
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 10, 2019 12:13:15 GMT
bob-coppola asked for this a while back, so here goes Sigourney WeaverGenre: Sci-Fi/Action
Has there ever been a more influential female star in sci-fi and action filmmaking?Weaver wasnt the first action heroine in the genre.... Jane Fonda' s Barbarella predated Weaver's Ellen Ripley in Alien by more than a decade. But Ripley was a paradigm shift in how female heroines in the genre could be portrayted. Not just as sexpots designed to titilate male audiences (which essentially is what Barbarella was) but as tough, competent badasses not restricted by their gender or defined by their capability of turning on male viewers. Weaver was the perfect actress to bring about this change in dynamic. A versatile, multi-oscar nominated actress in the same class as someone like Meryl Streep, there was also a no-nonsense toughness to her. In Weaver's hands, Ripley could be vulnerable, but could overcome fear and dig deep to complete any mission. I believe without Ripley as his template, James Cameron (who directed Weaver in Aliens) would not have completely revamped Linda Hamilton's Sarah Connor from The Terminator from a typically frightened "scream queen" female protagonist in his first film to a jacked up, badass, tough as nails warrior in T2: Judgement Day.
Weaver is all over the Sci-fi action landscape, even today. Avatar and it's 20 zillion sequels have her in it. But today's female genre action heroes owe a great debt to the grit and toughness Weaver brought to the genre. When you watch Buffy or Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot's version) or Captain Marvel today, they all have a bit or a lot of Ellen Ripley in them.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 10, 2019 15:52:48 GMT
bob-coppola asked for this a while back, so here goes Sigourney WeaverGenre: Sci-Fi/Action
Has there ever been a more influential female star in sci-fi and action filmmaking?Weaver wasnt the first action heroine in the genre.... Jane Fonda' s Barbarella predated Weaver's Ellen Ripley in Alien by more than a decade. But Ripley was a paradigm shift in how female heroines in the genre could be portrayted. No just as despots designed to titilate male audiences (which essentially is what Barbarella was) but as tough, competency badasses not restricted by their gender or defined by their capability of turning on male viewers. Weaver was the perfect actress to bring about this change in dynamic. A versatile, multi-oscar nominated actress in the same class as someone like Meryl Streep, there was also a no-nonsense toughness to her. In Weaver's hands, Ripley could be vulnerable, but could overcome fear and dig deep to complete any mission. I believe without Ripley as his template, James Cameron (who directed Weaver in Aliens) would not have completely revamped Linda Hamilton's Sarah Connor from The Terminator from a typically frightened "scream queen" female protagonist in his first film to a jacked up, badass, tough as nails warrior in T2: Judgement Day.
Weaver is all over the Sci-fi action landscape, even today. Avatar and it's 20 zillion sequels have her in it. But today's genre action heroes owe a great debt to the grit and toughness to what Weaver brought to the genre. When you watch Buffy or Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot's version) or Captain Marvel today, they all have a bit or a lot of Ellen Ripley in them.
Good choice. It's hard to remember another strong badass genre female character prior to Ellen Ripley in Aliens. Definitely a game changer. She's also a great actress outside of sci-fi too, I highly recommend Gorillas in The Mist in particular. Good film, and she's fantastic in it. In addition to the Alien films, and Avatar, as far as sci-fi films goes, there's also the delightfully entertaining Star Trek send-off Galaxy Quest, which I just showed at my local library last month, and had forgotten had an Aliens design reference. There's even more a subtle reference to Weaver's early acting career, when Gwen mentions auditing for a part in Annie Hall, which got a chuckle out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 17:49:17 GMT
Christopher Guest and the Mockumentary.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 10, 2019 18:18:03 GMT
bob-coppola asked for this a while back, so here goes Sigourney WeaverGenre: Sci-Fi/Action
Has there ever been a more influential female star in sci-fi and action filmmaking?Weaver wasnt the first action heroine in the genre.... Jane Fonda' s Barbarella predated Weaver's Ellen Ripley in Alien by more than a decade. But Ripley was a paradigm shift in how female heroines in the genre could be portrayted. No just as despots designed to titilate male audiences (which essentially is what Barbarella was) but as tough, competency badasses not restricted by their gender or defined by their capability of turning on male viewers. Weaver was the perfect actress to bring about this change in dynamic. A versatile, multi-oscar nominated actress in the same class as someone like Meryl Streep, there was also a no-nonsense toughness to her. In Weaver's hands, Ripley could be vulnerable, but could overcome fear and dig deep to complete any mission. I believe without Ripley as his template, James Cameron (who directed Weaver in Aliens) would not have completely revamped Linda Hamilton's Sarah Connor from The Terminator from a typically frightened "scream queen" female protagonist in his first film to a jacked up, badass, tough as nails warrior in T2: Judgement Day.
Weaver is all over the Sci-fi action landscape, even today. Avatar and it's 20 zillion sequels have her in it. But today's genre action heroes owe a great debt to the grit and toughness to what Weaver brought to the genre. When you watch Buffy or Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot's version) or Captain Marvel today, they all have a bit or a lot of Ellen Ripley in them.
Good choice. It's hard to remember another strong badass genre female character prior to Ellen Ripley in Aliens. Definitely a game changer. She's also a great actress outside of sci-fi too, I highly recommend Gorillas in The Mist in particular. Good film, and she's fantastic in it. In addition to the Alien films, and Avatar, as far as sci-fi films goes, there's also the delightfully entertaining Star Trek send-off Galaxy Quest, which I just showed at my local library last month, and had forgotten had an Aliens design reference. There's even more a subtle reference to Weaver's early acting career, when Gwen mentions auditing for a part in Annie Hall, which got a chuckle out of me. Absolutely... Galaxy Quest is a hoot, and there is a definite meta quality in how it references the careers of the actors in it, like Weaver. To me, it can never be understated how good an actress Weaver is. She is elite on film, cream of the crop and should be in any female GOAT discussion for film actresses. She's defined by her contributions to a particular genre, but she can pretty much do anything. Her ability at comedy is first rate. Not only Galaxy Quest, but Ghostbusters ( her chemistry with Bill Murray was amazing) and Dave and Working Girl. And obviously heavy Oscarbait drama, as you mentioned. In that rather incredible generation of American actresses that included Meryl Streep, Glenn Close, Jessica Lange and Kathleen Turner,I daresay that Sigourney Weaver is probably my favorite, and for my money, the equal of any of them (at least on film).
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 10, 2019 18:39:32 GMT
Christopher Guest and the Mockumentary. I actually think Guest hurt the broader form of comedy in a way - unintentionally of course. How's THAT for a controversial opinion but think about it - audiences used to be much more receptive to satire when done in a straight forward way - eventually here the form almost killed this genre. Instead they would only seek out satire when he structured the whole film's style around it as something that immediately signaled to audiences that they should laugh .I love Spinal Tap and Best in Show - Tap is one of the best comedies ever - and he totally fits this thread with the ones he directed....................but I think he ended up changing the audience in a bad way - I remember seeing Election and the scene where Broderick watches the porn film about the cheerleader which is a very hilarious but potentially offensive scene was greeted with huge walkouts. That used to be a part of satire but Guest took out that dangerous element. There's something about the mockumentary like "found footage" in horror resulted in a lot of bad things when of course originally they were awesome things and creative too. Years prior the mockumentary existed side by side with other comedic forms (like All You Need Is Cash) but then after Guest it became branded in a bad way I think .........it's an interesting thing though - the artist creating his audience and shaping them. In some ways the satire has started to rebound without the mockumentary - and it never really went away anyway ..............so maybe that was just a short time thing where audiences had to readjust their sensibilities.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 10, 2019 19:02:45 GMT
Good choice. It's hard to remember another strong badass genre female character prior to Ellen Ripley in Aliens. Definitely a game changer. She's also a great actress outside of sci-fi too, I highly recommend Gorillas in The Mist in particular. Good film, and she's fantastic in it. In addition to the Alien films, and Avatar, as far as sci-fi films goes, there's also the delightfully entertaining Star Trek send-off Galaxy Quest, which I just showed at my local library last month, and had forgotten had an Aliens design reference. There's even more a subtle reference to Weaver's early acting career, when Gwen mentions auditing for a part in Annie Hall, which got a chuckle out of me. Absolutely... Galaxy Quest is a hoot, and there is a definite meta quality in how it references the careers of the actors in it, like Weaver. To me, it can never be understated how good an actress Weaver is. She is elite on film, cream of the crop and should be in any female GOAT discussion for film actresses. She's defined by her contributions to a particular genre, but she can pretty much do anything. Her ability at comedy is first rate. Not only Galaxy Quest, but Ghostbusters ( her chemistry with Bill Murray was amazing) and Dave and Working Girl. And obviously heavy Oscarbait drama, as you mentioned. In that rather incredible generation of American actresses that included Meryl Streep, Glenn Close, Jessica Lange and Kathleen Turner,I daresay that Sigourney Weaver is probably my favorite, and for my money, the equal of any of them (at least on film). Oh, she's absolutely terrific. Of the 80s actresses, she be one of the more undervalued, if only because despite three Oscar nominations, I can't really remember the last time she got a really big juicy major part. One of performance of hers that I don't think gets enough mention is Copycat. Not a great movie or anything, but a pretty solid thriller where her a psychiatrist, and Holly Hunter a cop, teaming-up to track down and stop some serial killers. I love how "shut-in" she is when it comes to her performance at first, showing a lot more of a vulnerable side, but gets more erratic as the film progression. It's fun to watch.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 11, 2019 5:14:34 GMT
Absolutely... Galaxy Quest is a hoot, and there is a definite meta quality in how it references the careers of the actors in it, like Weaver. To me, it can never be understated how good an actress Weaver is. She is elite on film, cream of the crop and should be in any female GOAT discussion for film actresses. She's defined by her contributions to a particular genre, but she can pretty much do anything. Her ability at comedy is first rate. Not only Galaxy Quest, but Ghostbusters ( her chemistry with Bill Murray was amazing) and Dave and Working Girl. And obviously heavy Oscarbait drama, as you mentioned. In that rather incredible generation of American actresses that included Meryl Streep, Glenn Close, Jessica Lange and Kathleen Turner,I daresay that Sigourney Weaver is probably my favorite, and for my money, the equal of any of them (at least on film). Oh, she's absolutely terrific. Of the 80s actresses, she be one of the more undervalued, if only because despite three Oscar nominations, I can't really remember the last time she got a really big juicy major part. One of performance of hers that I don't think gets enough mention is Copycat. Not a great movie or anything, but a pretty solid thriller where her a psychiatrist, and Holly Hunter a cop, teaming-up to track down and stop some serial killers. I love how "shut-in" she is when it comes to her performance at first, showing a lot more of a vulnerable side, but gets more erratic as the film progression. It's fun to watch. Been some years since I saw Copycat, but I remember being really impressed by Weaver in it. I feel like it came out after Seven, when there were a wave of serial killer thrillers, and sort of got lost in the mix. She was obviously incredible in The Ice Storm and Death And The Maiden ( opposite Ben Kingsley at a period in his career when he had Daniel Day-Lewis type selectivity in projects to go with DDL level acting form) . But you are right...She hasn't really Had a meaty awards level role on film in years. But really, does any American actress of Streep's vintage get any Oscar calibre roles offered to them? Jessica Lange has found her thing on TV being Ryan Murphy's muse but it hasn't translated into anything meaningful on film. Glenn Close literally had to beg and scrape for years to produce the films herself that gave her the last two Oscar nominated roles she had. Streep really did destroy an entire generation of actresses in regards to opportunities for prestige roles on film. Weaver is still the reigning queen of Sci-fi (she'll be all over pop culture for the next decade with the Avatar sequels) and has never seemed overly thirsty for Oscars, so I doubt she much cares. But she should definitely recieve an honorary Oscar, if a competitive one doesn't look like it'll happen.
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