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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 12, 2019 7:32:30 GMT
I guess Gordon was supposed to help Batman in a way that he wouldn't distract the audience away from the action and Batman himself. His character was there to help the plot and be a small part of it.
Yet Oldman gave Gordon a background and a story, he built his character and made him important in the plot. He was the only Gordon we've seen in any Batman film being such a vital part in the saga. And all this without having much to do according to the script.
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Post by thomasjerome on Aug 12, 2019 7:52:09 GMT
I believe Gere has the record for most Golden Globes "Best Leading Actor nominations", without receiving a single Oscar nomination, though I'll have to re-research that. That'd be Jim Carrey actually (six nominations). Gere is the runner-up though, but he ties with Hugh Grant who also has four GG noms with no Oscar nom.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 12, 2019 7:57:02 GMT
I guess Gordon was supposed to help Batman in a way that he wouldn't distract the audience away from the action and Batman himself. His character was there to help the plot and be a small part of it. Yet Oldman gave Gordon a background and a story, he built his character and made him important in the plot. He was the only Gordon we've seen in any Batman film being such a vital part in the saga. And all this without having much to do according to the script. Always thought it was weird how the previous Batman movies sidelined Gordon as kind of a plot device character that Batman needed to have a police connection with and be someone to light up the Bat-Signal. Actors like Pat Hingle did solid work as an older Gordon, but just didn't feel that essential to Batman's overall mythology. Oldman's version of the character changed that. His Gordon is as important to the mythology as Alfred or Robin.The Nolan trilogy was the first time Gordon felt essential to the movies, and it was a welcome change
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 12, 2019 8:14:13 GMT
I guess Gordon was supposed to help Batman in a way that he wouldn't distract the audience away from the action and Batman himself. His character was there to help the plot and be a small part of it. Yet Oldman gave Gordon a background and a story, he built his character and made him important in the plot. He was the only Gordon we've seen in any Batman film being such a vital part in the saga. And all this without having much to do according to the script. Always thought it was weird how the previous Batman movies sidelined Gordon as kind of a plot device character that Batman needed to have a police connection with and be someone to light up the Bat-Signal. Actors like Pat Hingle did solid work as an older Gordon, but just didn't feel that essential to Batman's overall mythology. Oldman's version of the character changed that. His Gordon is as important to the mythology as Alfred or Robin.The Nolan trilogy was the first time Gordon felt essential to the movies, and it was a welcome change Alfred was exactly the same as Gordon: Until Nolan's saga, he was there only to serve Batman or maybe sometimes consult him. Michael Gough was solid in that role but it was Michael Caine who "gave substance" to Alfred. He was the only actor up to then who played not only a simple butler to Bruce but filled the void of his parents, a father figure to him. Moreover, Irons in the JL movies took the role of Batman's sidekick. Maybe a little off topic here, but I really like that many of the secondary characters (Gordon, Alfred, Fox, or even the Kents, to stick only to the DC movies...) are assigned to wonderful actors and given background stories.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 12, 2019 8:29:16 GMT
Always thought it was weird how the previous Batman movies sidelined Gordon as kind of a plot device character that Batman needed to have a police connection with and be someone to light up the Bat-Signal. Actors like Pat Hingle did solid work as an older Gordon, but just didn't feel that essential to Batman's overall mythology. Oldman's version of the character changed that. His Gordon is as important to the mythology as Alfred or Robin.The Nolan trilogy was the first time Gordon felt essential to the movies, and it was a welcome change Alfred was exactly the same as Gordon: Until Nolan's saga, he was there only to serve Batman or maybe sometimes consult him. Michael Gough was solid in that role but it was Michael Caine who "gave substance" to Alfred. He was the only actor up to then who played not only a simple butler to Bruce but filled the void of his parents, a father figure to him. Moreover, Irons in the JL movies took the role of Batman's sidekick. Maybe a little off topic here, but I really like that many of the secondary characters (Gordon, Alfred, Fox, or even the Kents, to stick only to the DC movies...) are assigned to wonderful actors and given background stories You have a point, but Michael Gough as Alfred was definitely given much more to play than Pat Hingle as Gordon. There were quite a few touching moments in Batman (1989), when Gough's Alfred was allowed to show he was more than just Bruce Wayne's Butler. Like the scenes where he's interacting with Kim Basinger's Vicki Vale, and he's giving her advice about Bruce and telling him what he was like as a child. You could see Gough's Alfred subtly reveal that he saw himself as Bruce's surrogate father in those scenes. The problem is that the following films didn't really follow up on any of that, and the Joel Schumacher era was so reviled that nobody cared when they tried to throw in some emotional arc for Alfred. I actually like what they were doing with Jeremy Irons as Alfred in the most recent Batman films. Too bad Ben Affleck' s premature retirement from the film means we won't get to see Irons explore that dynamic some more. Agree that these secondary characters in the DC movies really tend to get some terrific actors to play them. For example, Diane Lane as Martha Kent....what a strong bit of casting!
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 12, 2019 9:10:25 GMT
Alfred was exactly the same as Gordon: Until Nolan's saga, he was there only to serve Batman or maybe sometimes consult him. Michael Gough was solid in that role but it was Michael Caine who "gave substance" to Alfred. He was the only actor up to then who played not only a simple butler to Bruce but filled the void of his parents, a father figure to him. Moreover, Irons in the JL movies took the role of Batman's sidekick. Maybe a little off topic here, but I really like that many of the secondary characters (Gordon, Alfred, Fox, or even the Kents, to stick only to the DC movies...) are assigned to wonderful actors and given background stories You have a point, but Michael Gough as Alfred was definitely given much more to play than Pat Hingle as Gordon. There were quite a few touching moments in Batman (1989), when Gough's Alfred was allowed to show he was more than just Bruce Wayne's Butler. Like the scenes where he's interacting with Kim Basinger's Vicki Vale, and he's giving her advice about Bruce and telling him what he was like as a child. You could see Gough's Alfred subtly reveal that he saw himself as Bruce's surrogate father in those scenes. The problem is that the following films didn't really follow up on any of that, and the Joel Schumacher era was so reviled that nobody cared when they tried to throw in some emotional arc for Alfred. I actually like what they were doing with Jeremy Irons as Alfred in the most recent Batman films. Too bad Ben Affleck' s premature retirement from the film means we won't get to see Irons explore that dynamic some more. Agree that these secondary characters in the DC movies really tend to get some terrific actors to play them. For example, Diane Lane as Martha Kent....what a strong bit of casting! I even liked this couple of scenes with Kevin Costner in Man if Steel.... You're right about Gough's Alfred in the Tim Burton's films. Schumacher's movies were a joke, so was his Alfred.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Aug 12, 2019 9:49:29 GMT
One of my favorite moments from Batman Begins is in the final scene after Gordon says "I never said thank you" to Batman, who replies "And you'll never have to." As Batman leaps off the roof, the last shot of Oldman shows him giving this small smile that's just perfect in how unaffected and internally generated it feels. It's a smile that says "I wasn't sure about you at first, but now this feels right to me."
That scene in particular perfectly encapsulates the Batman/Gordon relationship, and Oldman completely understood his character... his warmth, his unshakeable trust, his stubbornness and resolve. Can't imagine anyone playing that part better.
Another one of my favorite Gordon moments is when we first see Oldman near the beginning when he's comforting Bruce Wayne as a child. After he puts the coat over his shoulders and says "it's okay" several times, you seem him look away uncomfortably because he doesn't know what else to say... he realizes that there isn't anything else to say...
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 12, 2019 13:18:32 GMT
One of my favorite moments from Batman Begins is in the final scene after Gordon says "I never said thank you" to Batman, who replies "And you'll never have to." As Batman leaps off the roof, the last shot of Oldman shows him giving this small smile that's just perfect in how unaffected and internally generated it feels. It's a smile that says "I wasn't sure about you at first, but now this feels right to me." That scene in particular perfectly encapsulates the Batman/Gordon relationship, and Oldman completely understood his character... his warmth, his unshakeable trust, his stubbornness and resolve. Can't imagine anyone playing that part better. Another one of my favorite Gordon moments is when we first see Oldman near the beginning when he's comforting Bruce Wayne as a child. After he puts the coat over his shoulders and says "it's okay" several times, you seem him look away uncomfortably because he doesn't know what else to say... he realizes that there isn't anything else to say... All this is on point. Honestly, I think what made all the difference is that Oldman really did his research on the strongest portrayals of Gordon in the comics. From his look to his personality, Oldman's Gordon felt like he stepped right out of the page from Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli's Batman:Year One. That was a Batman origin story where you could argue that Gordon was actually the lead character. His story carried at least equal weight to Bruce's.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 12, 2019 17:09:12 GMT
One of my favorite moments from Batman Begins is in the final scene after Gordon says "I never said thank you" to Batman, who replies "And you'll never have to." As Batman leaps off the roof, the last shot of Oldman shows him giving this small smile that's just perfect in how unaffected and internally generated it feels. It's a smile that says "I wasn't sure about you at first, but now this feels right to me." That scene in particular perfectly encapsulates the Batman/Gordon relationship, and Oldman completely understood his character... his warmth, his unshakeable trust, his stubbornness and resolve. Can't imagine anyone playing that part better. Another one of my favorite Gordon moments is when we first see Oldman near the beginning when he's comforting Bruce Wayne as a child. After he puts the coat over his shoulders and says "it's okay" several times, you seem him look away uncomfortably because he doesn't know what else to say... he realizes that there isn't anything else to say... All this is on point. Honestly, I think what made all the difference is that Oldman really did his research on the strongest portrayals of Gordon in the comics. From his look to his personality, Oldman's Gordon felt like he stepped right out of the page from Frank Miller and David Mazzuchelli's Batman:Year One. That was Batman origin story where you could argue that Gordon was actually the lead character. His story carried at least equal weight to Bruce's. Oldman's Gordon actually reminds me a lot of a younger version of the DCEU / animated version of Gordon, right down to him being the only person in the police force, who seems to trust Batman, as an actual source and ally. Of course that Gordon was also heavily influenced by Batman: Year One, so there's a connection there already.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2019 1:44:40 GMT
Hugh Jackman
Genre: Superhero/Comic Book movie
Even though Jackman has only played one superhero (the mutton chopped, razor clawed Wolverine), he did it across multiple films for 17 years. He did it across 9 movies, from X-men team movies to Wolverine solo films. It was a starmmaking role for Jackman, who was fortunate to get cast after Scottish actor Dougray Scott, who was originally cast in the role had to drop out due to Mission Impossible 2 overruning on shooting.
Jackman embodied the role of the incredibly popular Canadian Mutant superhero. It shouldn't have worked. Comic book fans can be pretty anal about accurate casting, and on paper Jackman was all wrong. Well over 6 feet tall, Jackman was considered too tall to be the famously short hero. Also, classically handsome, wheras the comic book character was considered to be very rugged and not conventionally good looking.
So how did a too tall pretty boy win over the fans? By being a bloody good actor, that's how! Jackman, a trained and acclaimed musical theatre star, brought serious acting chops to bear. He immediately conveyed the cynical, world weary aspect of the character. Initially, he wasn't allowed to go whole hog on the raging, berzerker killer aspect of the character (those X-Men films had to keep their PG-13 rating after all) and Jackman honed in on the sensitive wounded animal side of the character, we did eventually start to see a bit more of the brutal killer in later stories with the character, particularly in Logan, Jackman's elegiac swansing to the role.
Jackman's biggest influence on the genre may have been his physique. Actors in the genre used to get away with muscle suits and fake six-packs ( Michael Keaton would have a real tough time getting cast as Batman today, let's put it that way). But Jackman spent a lot of time as Wolverine in tank tops or shirtless. So for 17 years, he maintained an incredible physique, and audiences began to expect that in most of their superheroes. Jackman was ripped as hell with about 1% body fat. That's a lot of chicken breasts and hours in the gym. But he set the standard, and now everyone from Chris Hemsworth to Chris Evans is expected to get ripped and stay ripped for as long as they play these roles. Below, Jackman as Wolverine going hard in Logan:
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 13, 2019 2:07:04 GMT
The weird thing about Hugh Jackman in X-Men, it was basically his major film debut outside of two unknown Aussie flicks. They went from this at the time noteworthy Scottish actor in Dougray Scott to some unknown Australian stage actor. The story behind how he got the role is kinda amazing.
Now some people back in the day use to say Jackman was miscast as a long-living Canadian mutant (I remember a lot of people wanted Keanu Reeves for the role, because he was an actual Canuck), but what Jackman brought to the role of Wolverine, is undeniable charm and pathos, especially as the series progressed and we got to see him grow-older in the role, none more evident then him being Old Man Logan in Logan. Now, that's the sort of comic book performances that absolutely deserves awards love.
Outside of Wolverine, like a lot of comic book actors (Christopher Reeve being the prime example sadly), he struggles to get past typecasted, and finding good scripts, but his theatrical background has helped him score two big hits in Les Miserables, and The Greatest Showman (one of the most epic box office runs of the past decade), so it's not all bad. Though, when all is said and done, there's no denying that Wolverine will still be Jackman's defining role. It is the movie that made his career after all.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2019 2:21:24 GMT
The weird thing about Hugh Jackman in X-Men, it was basically his major film debut outside of two unknown Aussie flicks. They went from this at the time noteworthy Scottish actor in Dougray Scott to some unknown Australian stage actor. The story behind how he got the role is kinda amazing. Now some people back in the day use to say Jackman was miscast as a long-living Canadian mutant (I remember a lot of people wanted Keanu Reeves for the role, because he was an actual Canuck), but what Jackman brought to the role of Wolverine, is undeniable charm and pathos, especially as the series progressed and we got to see him grow-older in the role, none more evident then him being Old Man Logan in Logan. Now, that's the sort of comic book performances that absolutely deserves awards love. Outside of Wolverine, like a lot of comic book actors (Christopher Reeve being the prime example sadly), he struggles to get past typecasted, and finding good scripts, but his theatrical background has helped him score two big hits in Les Miserables, and The Greatest Showman (one of the most epic box office runs of the past decade), so it's not all bad. Though, when all is said and done, there's no denying that Wolverine will still be Jackman's defining role. It is the movie that made his career after all. Yeah...I like Keanu, but he's all wrong for a role like Wolverine that requires a fair bit of emoting. I thought both Jackman and Sir Patrick Stewart deserved some awards love for Logan.I think unlike many actors who have been typecast in their big superhero roles, Jackman has managed to emerge as a genuine star outside of his defining character. In addition to the films you mentioned, projects like The Prestige and Prisoners helped show he could do strong work outside of his franchise work. Being a Tony winning musical stage actor probably gives him an advantage over many of his genre peers in being allowed to branch out and be accepted in other things. A really strong and charismatic actor. I think he could have been a movie star in many eras.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2019 2:46:03 GMT
I do think it'll be quite interesting to see how Kevin Feige and Marvel eventually recast the role of Wolverine.Jackman will be big shoes to fill.
I suspect they'll go more comic book accurate this time. So someone short and less conventionally handsome. I've heard people suggest someone like Scott Caan for the role. I don't think it'll be Caan, but I can imagine them going for an actor along his look and size.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 13, 2019 2:47:16 GMT
The weird thing about Hugh Jackman in X-Men, it was basically his major film debut outside of two unknown Aussie flicks. They went from this at the time noteworthy Scottish actor in Dougray Scott to some unknown Australian stage actor. The story behind how he got the role is kinda amazing. Now some people back in the day use to say Jackman was miscast as a long-living Canadian mutant (I remember a lot of people wanted Keanu Reeves for the role, because he was an actual Canuck), but what Jackman brought to the role of Wolverine, is undeniable charm and pathos, especially as the series progressed and we got to see him grow-older in the role, none more evident then him being Old Man Logan in Logan. Now, that's the sort of comic book performances that absolutely deserves awards love. Outside of Wolverine, like a lot of comic book actors (Christopher Reeve being the prime example sadly), he struggles to get past typecasted, and finding good scripts, but his theatrical background has helped him score two big hits in Les Miserables, and The Greatest Showman (one of the most epic box office runs of the past decade), so it's not all bad. Though, when all is said and done, there's no denying that Wolverine will still be Jackman's defining role. It is the movie that made his career after all. Yeah...I like Keanu, but he's all wrong for a role like Wolverine that requires a fair bit of emoting. I thought both Jackman and Sir Patrick Stewart deserved some awards love for Logan.I think unlike many actors who have been typecast in their big superhero roles, Jackman has managed to emerge as a genuine star outside of his defining character. In addition to the films you mentioned, projects like The Prestige and Prisoners helped show he could do strong work outside of his franchise work. Being a Tony winning musical stage actor probably gives him an advantage over many of his genre peers in being allowed to branch out and be accepted in other things. A really strong and charismatic actor. I think he could have been a movie star in many eras. Patrick Stewart definitely deserved some love, which he did receive a bit at the beginning of the awards season. God, was that a great crazy performance of a man losing his mind. Oh yes, he definitely has that dashing appealing like personality, that is reminiscent of someone like Cary Grant. I think he's a leading man in the classical sense. I could have seen him being a major star in the 1940s in the mold of a matinee idol like Errol Flynn. What I think I love most about Jackman's work outside of Wolverine, is how he's willing to push himself. He'll do a movie like The Wolverine, and then follow-it-up in more challenging darker work in Prisoners. He's not afraid to take risks, and that's something that I can appreciate. Wolverine led to The him being cast in Prestige, and so-on, and that turned out to be a really good thing.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 13, 2019 2:58:11 GMT
I do think it'll be quite interesting to see how Kevin Feige and Marvel eventually recast the role of Wolverine.I suspect they'll go more comic book accurate this time. So someone short and less conventionally handsomely. I've heard people suggest someone like Scott Caan for the role. I don't think it'll be Caan, but I can imagine them going for an actor along his look and size. I remember reading a list back in the day that suggested actors like Taron Edgerton, Aaron Paul, or Jack Reynor for the part. The later I could actually see, although he might be too traditionally handsome. Whoever gets the part is going to (hopefully), be a much shorter actor who has to get into really big shape, and has a lot to live-up to, given they're following in the footsteps of Jackman.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 13, 2019 3:26:09 GMT
I do think it'll be quite interesting to see how Kevin Feige and Marvel eventually recast the role of Wolverine.I suspect they'll go more comic book accurate this time. So someone short and less conventionally handsomely. I've heard people suggest someone like Scott Caan for the role. I don't think it'll be Caan, but I can imagine them going for an actor along his look and size. I remember reading a list back in the day that suggested actors like Taron Edgerton, Aaron Paul, or Jack Reynor for the part. The later I could actually see, although he might be too traditionally handsome. Whoever gets the part is going to (hopefully), be a much shorter actor who has to get into really big shape, and has a lot to live-up to, given they're following in the footsteps of Jackman. I think Jon Bernthal might be perfect. He's already played The Punisher on Netflix, but as Kevin Feige pretty much pretends those shows don't exist ....It won't matter ( Mahershala Ali getting the Blade gig after playing Cottonmouth in Luke Cage proves that) Bernthal isn't really short, but at around 5'10, he's a lot less imposing height-wise than 6'2 Jackman. I think fans could live with that. And he feels more like Wolverine in his portrayal of The Punisher than The Punisher. The rage, the feral animalistic outbursts. He's like a walking open wound. And looks wise...he's perfect. Rugged, not conventionally handsome, but someone I guess a lot of women would still find very attractive.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 13, 2019 4:26:44 GMT
I remember reading a list back in the day that suggested actors like Taron Edgerton, Aaron Paul, or Jack Reynor for the part. The later I could actually see, although he might be too traditionally handsome. Whoever gets the part is going to (hopefully), be a much shorter actor who has to get into really big shape, and has a lot to live-up to, given they're following in the footsteps of Jackman. I think Jon Bernthal might be perfect. He's already played The Punisher on Netflix, but as Kevin Feige pretty much pretends those shows don't exist ....It won't matter ( Mahershala Ali getting the Blade gig after playing Cottonmouth in Luke Cage proves that) Bernthal isn't really short, but at around 5'10, he's a lot less imposing height-wise than 6'2 Jackman. I think fans could live with that. And he feels more like Wolverine in his portrayal of The Punisher than The Punisher. The rage, the feral animalistic outbursts. He's like a walking open wound. And looks wise...he's perfect. Rugged, not conventionally handsome, but someone I guess a lot of women would still find very attractive. Bernthal would also be a great choice if they wanted to go to the more "ferocious beast" aspect of Wolverine's character, as opposed to the asshole charmer that Hugh Jackman generally portrayed him as. I could actually see him working in the role quite well.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 14, 2019 4:06:21 GMT
Ron Perlman
Genre: Fantasy
Ron Perlman is a very talented workhorse of a character actor whose distinctive looks have probably prevented him from achieving any sort of consistent leading man status. But he works a hell of a lot, in every genre you can think of, doing everything from voice-over work in cartoons, to straight to DVD action films to small character roles in major Hollywood productions to lots of TV (including a long running role in great biker show Sons Of Anarchy). He's no Eric Roberts, but you don't rack up 254 credits on your IMDB by being workshy.
Perlman's most impactful roles have come in the fantasy genre in both film and television. They were the 80's television romance/fantasy Beauty And The Beast and Hellboy. In both roles, Perlman was covered with layers and layers of prosthetics to essentially play humanoid creatures. Perlman's acting ability managed to shine through the prosthetics, in a similar way to how Andy Serkis has been able to demonstrate his talent while encumbered by Motion Capture Graphics.
As the Lion- like Vincent in Beauty And The Beast, Perlman brought a wounded nobility to the role and a touching and unlikely romantic chemistry with Linda Hamilton's Catherine. It's a show that developed a cult following and built Perlman's reputation. As the demonic Hellboy, Perlman was able to take the character created by Mike Mignola and infuse him with an entertaining wit and charisma, as well as going all out in action set pieces. He's had supporting roles in other major films with fantasy elements like Blade 2 and Pacific Rim, but those were the two big ones where he was front and centre. Below, Perlman as Hellboy:
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 14, 2019 4:45:19 GMT
Ron PerlmanGenre: FantasyRon Perlman is a very talented workhorse of a character actor whose distinctive looks have probably prevented him from achieving any sort of consistent leading man status. But he works a hell of a lot, in every genre you can think of, doing everything from voice-over work in cartoons, to straight to DVD action films to small character roles in major Hollywood productions to lots of TV (including a long running role in great biker show Sons Of Anarchy). He's no Eric Roberts, but you don't rack up 254 credits on your IMDB by being workshy. Perlman's most impactful roles have come in the fantasy genre in both film and television. They were the 80's television romance/fantasy Beauty And The Beast and Hellboy. In both roles, Perlman was covered with layers and layers of prosthetics to essentially play humanoid creatures. Perlman's acting ability managed to shine through the prosthetics, in a similar way to how Andy Serkis has been able to demonstrate his talent while encumbered by Motion Capture Graphics.
As the Lion- like Vincent in Beauty And The Beast, Perlman brought a wounded nobility to the role and a touching and unlikely romantic chemistry with Linda Hamilton's Catherine. It's a show that developed a cult following and built Perlman's reputation. As the demonic Hellboy, Perlman was able to take the character created by Mike Mignola and infuse him with an entertaining wit and charisma, as well as going all out in action set pieces. He's had supporting roles in other major films with fantasy elements like Blade 2 and Pacific Rim, but those were the two big ones where he was front and centre. Below, Perlman as Hellboy:
Ron Perlman has done so many movies, that I'm sure that fantasy type movies make up 20% of his filmography. He's definitely no Eric Roberts, because unlike Roberts, he literally won't do every role (he's actually turned down parts). He just happens to have done a lot of B movies, because he's very much a jobbing actor. I think he works so well in fantasy because he's one of those actors with those unique faces, that makes him easy to see playing a creature or something. I think I remembering reading somewhere that he actually prefers playing parts where the audiences really can't see him. It's why he does so much voice-acting as well. There are far too many fantasy roles he's been in that I think are noteworthy, but two that specifically come to mind are both in Foreign language films, Jean-Pierre Jeanut City of Lost Children, and Guilermo del toro's Cronos (the first of many films of a long fruitful collaboration). In the earlier he plays a eccentric scientist, and while he speaks his dialogue from translation, he really fits the movies's "punk-like symbolic tone". His character in that film is a misfit surrounded by a gang of smaller misfits. It's seriously good work and doesn't get enough love as an actual performance.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 14, 2019 5:10:05 GMT
Ron PerlmanGenre: FantasyRon Perlman is a very talented workhorse of a character actor whose distinctive looks have probably prevented him from achieving any sort of consistent leading man status. But he works a hell of a lot, in every genre you can think of, doing everything from voice-over work in cartoons, to straight to DVD action films to small character roles in major Hollywood productions to lots of TV (including a long running role in great biker show Sons Of Anarchy). He's no Eric Roberts, but you don't rack up 254 credits on your IMDB by being workshy. Perlman's most impactful roles have come in the fantasy genre in both film and television. They were the 80's television romance/fantasy Beauty And The Beast and Hellboy. In both roles, Perlman was covered with layers and layers of prosthetics to essentially play humanoid creatures. Perlman's acting ability managed to shine through the prosthetics, in a similar way to how Andy Serkis has been able to demonstrate his talent while encumbered by Motion Capture Graphics.
As the Lion- like Vincent in Beauty And The Beast, Perlman brought a wounded nobility to the role and a touching and unlikely romantic chemistry with Linda Hamilton's Catherine. It's a show that developed a cult following and built Perlman's reputation. As the demonic Hellboy, Perlman was able to take the character created by Mike Mignola and infuse him with an entertaining wit and charisma, as well as going all out in action set pieces. He's had supporting roles in other major films with fantasy elements like Blade 2 and Pacific Rim, but those were the two big ones where he was front and centre. Below, Perlman as Hellboy:
Ron Perlman has done so many movies, that I'm sure that fantasy type movies make up 20% of his filmography. He's definitely no Eric Roberts, because unlike Roberts, he literally won't do every role (he's actually turned down parts). He just happens to have done a lot of B movies, because he's very much a jobbing actor. I think he works so well in fantasy because he's one of those actors with those unique faces, that makes him easy to see playing a creature or something. I think I remembering reading somewhere that he actually prefers playing parts where the audiences really can't see him. It's why he does so much voice-acting as well. There are far too many fantasy roles he's been in that I think are noteworthy, but two that specifically come to mind are both in Foreign language films, Jean-Pierre Jeanut City of Lost Children, and Guilermo del toro's Cronos (the first of many films of a long fruitful collaboration). In the earlier he plays a eccentric scientist, and while he speaks his dialogue from translation, he really fits the movies's "punk-like symbolic tone". His character in that film is a misfit surrounded by a gang of smaller misfits. It's seriously good work and doesn't get enough love as an actual performance. Yeah, he's obviously done a lot more fantasy work than I covered, but if I tried to watch Perlman's entire filmography, I'd end up with a grey beard that went down to my knees . I'd agree his unique facial features make him ideal for fantasy castings or settings. He's been in a bunch of fantasy films I've never watched, like Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, Season Of The Witch and Conan The Barbarian (the poorly reviewed Jason Momoa starrer, not the Arnie classic). Seen Cronos. Haven't seen City Of Lost Children. Thanks for the recommend...I'll try to catch up on it, and Perlman's work in it But Beauty And The Beast and Hellboy did the most for his career and reputation by far. It's interesting to note that the only major award he's won was a Golden Globe for Beauty And The Beast in 1989 (he also got two Primetime Emmy nominations for that show, so it really made his career ). I don't think it was like a huge ratings hit or anything, but people seriously liked and respected that show. But other than that, he's never been in a position again for major awards recognition (unless you count his MTV Movie Awards nomination for Hellboy 2).
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 14, 2019 5:35:25 GMT
Ron Perlman has done so many movies, that I'm sure that fantasy type movies make up 20% of his filmography. He's definitely no Eric Roberts, because unlike Roberts, he literally won't do every role (he's actually turned down parts). He just happens to have done a lot of B movies, because he's very much a jobbing actor. I think he works so well in fantasy because he's one of those actors with those unique faces, that makes him easy to see playing a creature or something. I think I remembering reading somewhere that he actually prefers playing parts where the audiences really can't see him. It's why he does so much voice-acting as well. There are far too many fantasy roles he's been in that I think are noteworthy, but two that specifically come to mind are both in Foreign language films, Jean-Pierre Jeanut City of Lost Children, and Guilermo del toro's Cronos (the first of many films of a long fruitful collaboration). In the earlier he plays a eccentric scientist, and while he speaks his dialogue from translation, he really fits the movies's "punk-like symbolic tone". His character in that film is a misfit surrounded by a gang of smaller misfits. It's seriously good work and doesn't get enough love as an actual performance. Yeah, he's obviously done a lot more fantasy work than I covered, but if I tried to watch Perlman's entire filmography, I'd end up with a grey beard that went down to my knees . I'd agree his unique facial features make him ideal for fantasy castings or settings. He's been in a bunch of fantasy films I've never watched, like Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, Season Of The Witch and Conan The Barbarian (the poorly reviewed Jason Momoa starrer, not the Arnie classic). Seen Cronos. Haven't seen City Of Lost Children. Thanks for the recommend...I'll try to catch up on it, and Perlman's work in it But Beauty And The Beast and Hellboy did the most for his career and reputation by far. It's interesting to note that the only major award he's won was a Golden Globe for Beauty And The Beast in 1989 (he also got two Primetime Emmy nominations for that show, so it really made his career ). I don't think it was like a huge ratings hit or anything, but people seriously liked and respected that show. But other than that, he's never been in a position again for major awards recognition (unless you count his MTV Movie Awards nomination for Hellboy 2).
I hope you enjoy it. I think it's a wonderfully challenging flick. I've seen all of those films. Fantastic Beasts is a Potter spinoff, and Pearlman plays a troll in it. I enjoyed it at the time, although the badness of the sequel ( Crimes of Grindelwald), has made me think a bit less of it. Season of The Witch is a really bad Nic Cage "paycheck" fantasy flick, complete with the awesomely awful wig, with Pearlman providing some of the film's funniest moments as his deadpan sidekick, and the Conan The Barbarian remake really isn't worth a watch. Ron shows up at the beginning as Conan's father, and he gets killed off rather quickly. He rarely appears in super-acclaimed films, and he has perceptions as a B movie actor really. Outside of his role in Drive, I can't think of anything he's done in the past decade that was considered acclaimed that wasn't some fantasy film. I never got the impressions from him though, that he really wants to win an Oscar or anything. He just appreciates the work. I was also happy to hear he was in Nightmare Alley too. It's actually been a few films since he and del toro worked together.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 15, 2019 6:00:53 GMT
Michael Caine
Genre: Crime
In the UK, Michael Caine crime movies tend to have an insane and nationslistic following that doesn't neccesarily translate outside of Great Britain. I mean people outside the UK like British Michael Caine crime flicks and find them entertaining. But in the UK they are elevated to something else. Certain Caine crime films like Get Carter or The Italian Job might as well be The Godfather to some Brits.
So Caine certainly has an elevated place in British Crime Movies. Off the top of my head, I can only think of someone like Ray Winstone among living UK actors who might hold a comparable status to Caine in the genre in Britain ( so iconic a crime actor that Winstone was in the UK, that Martin Scorsese himself imported him for a major role in The Departed). Tom Hardy might be coming close for his work in Bronson, Legend and Peaky Blinders, but for now, Caine and Winstone are the overlords of Brit crime flicks). Maybe when they were alive James Mason and Richard Attenborough might have been comparable to Caine in British crime film.
Such is Caine's following in the genre in the UK, that even on old age, he's still a viable lead in British Crime Movies like Harry Brown and King Of Thieves, which was only released last year.
Caine has been in a tonne of crime films (including playing Alfred in The Dark Knight trilogy) but his most acclaimed crime movie where he was front and centre outside UK circles was probably the crime comedy Sleuth, a delicious two-hander with Laurence Olivier. Below, Caine doing some bitch slapping in Get Carter (his original version, not the lousy Sylvester Stallone remake he also appeared in):
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 15, 2019 15:19:37 GMT
Michael Caine is probably the unlikeliest "betrayed by the mob!" crime guy out there, but I guess it fits in the U.K. I'm a big fan of Get Carter, stylish as all fuck film, with a great car chase sequence (for the record, appearing in the remake violated Caine's "do a remake if you can only improve on it", rule).
Probably my favorite Michael Caine related crime-film is The Ipcress File, or Billion Dollar Brain, cause that's only one with specific crime elements and listed as one. Harry Palmer was meant to the antithesis to James Bond, so his movies are a lot less of what was considered traditional action films back then, and more straightforward crime films, with a bit of variation here and there. The only made three Harry Palmer with fleeting success, but the first is really a good solid thriller.
I've also seen Harry Brown. I'm not surprised Matthew Vaughn produced it, it seems to have some of his elements of violence, just a lot less kinetic. Caine proved that even as an old-man, it's believable he could could take to the streets, and beat up a bunch of young thugs out of revenge. It's a lot more intense, then I was expecting too.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 15, 2019 16:37:29 GMT
Michael Caine is probably the unlikeliest "betrayed by the mob!" crime guy out there, but I guess it fits in the U.K. I'm a big fan of Get Carter, stylish as all fuck film, with a great car chase sequence (for the record, appearing in the remake violated Caine's "do a remake if you can only improve on it", rule). Probably my favorite Michael Caine related crime-film is The Ipcress File, or Billion Dollar Brain, cause that's only one with specific crime elements and listed as one. Harry Palmer was meant to the antithesis to James Bond, so his movies are a lot less of what was considered traditional action films back then, and more straightforward crime films, with a bit of variation here and there. The only made three Harry Palmer with fleeting success, but the first is really a good solid thriller. I've also seen Harry Brown. I'm not surprised Matthew Vaughn produced it, it seems to have some of his elements of violence, just a lot less kinetic. Caine proved that even as an old-man, it's believable he could could take to the streets, and beat up a bunch of young thugs out of revenge. It's a lot more intense, then I was expecting too. Caine is a legend. He's more known as a dramatic actor, but his comedy chops are simply incredible. Not sure he gets enough credit for that. But what he did in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels against Steve Martin , one of the greatest comic actors of all-time at the peak of his abilities, was incredible. Caine wasn't some straight man (like say Nick Nolte was to Eddie Murphy in 48 Hours. ) . Caine was matching Martin comedy beat for comedy beat in that movie, and at some points outdoing Martin in the comedy stakes. The part where Caine puts on an Austrian accent and pretends to be Dr Emile Schueffhaussen to heal Martin's Freddy Benson is hilarious. Ultimately Caine and Martin matched each other step for step and were an amazing comedy pairing. Shame they never re-teamed.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Aug 15, 2019 17:05:28 GMT
Michael Caine is probably the unlikeliest "betrayed by the mob!" crime guy out there, but I guess it fits in the U.K. I'm a big fan of Get Carter, stylish as all fuck film, with a great car chase sequence (for the record, appearing in the remake violated Caine's "do a remake if you can only improve on it", rule). Probably my favorite Michael Caine related crime-film is The Ipcress File, or Billion Dollar Brain, cause that's only one with specific crime elements and listed as one. Harry Palmer was meant to the antithesis to James Bond, so his movies are a lot less of what was considered traditional action films back then, and more straightforward crime films, with a bit of variation here and there. The only made three Harry Palmer with fleeting success, but the first is really a good solid thriller. I've also seen Harry Brown. I'm not surprised Matthew Vaughn produced it, it seems to have some of his elements of violence, just a lot less kinetic. Caine proved that even as an old-man, it's believable he could could take to the streets, and beat up a bunch of young thugs out of revenge. It's a lot more intense, then I was expecting too. Caine is a legend. He's more known as a dramatic actor, but his comedy chops are simply incredible. Not sure he gets enough credit for that. But what he did in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels against Steve Martin , one of the greatest comic actors of all-time at the peak of his abilities, was incredible. Caine wasn't some straight man (like say Nick Nolte was to Eddie Murphy in 48 Hours. ) . Caine was matching Martin comedy beat for comedy beat in that movie, and at some points outdoing Martin in the comedy stakes. The part where Caine puts on an Austrian accent and pretends to be Dr Emile Schueffhaussen to heal Martin's Freddy Benson is hilarious. Ultimately Caine and Martin matched each other step for step and were an amazing comedy pairing. Shame they never re-teamed. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels is great, it might just be my favorite that Caine was ever involved with, and it's a remake to boot. Caine is such a great smart con-man in that flick, and he and Martin play off each other wonderfully. If you're talking comedy and Michael Caine, then I have a soft spot for his take on the controlling director in Peter Bogdanovich's sadly sheldomly talked about Noises Off, which is a rather sly, clever, look at the Broadway industry through the lenses of hysteria. Caine really proves his comedy chops throughout the film. He's over the top, but only when necessary.
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