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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 29, 2019 23:05:37 GMT
What an utter cluster fuck that was . And did all the Democrat candidates really raise their hands for illegals getting free health care?! jfc That's how you know they're completely full of shit.
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Post by marvelass on Jun 30, 2019 16:38:29 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 16:44:32 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year. When Democrats have run pro-Trans rights campaigns, they've usually won. See Roy Cooper and Josh Stein in North Carolina.
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Post by marvelass on Jun 30, 2019 17:25:08 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year. When Democrats have run pro-Trans rights campaigns, they've usually won. See Roy Cooper and Josh Stein in North Carolina. That was in 2016. A lot has changed since then. Many women and gays/lesbians are waking up the damage caused by the Trans Lobby. For instance, biological girls being unfairly sidelined by stronger/faster biological boys. if parents object to this policy that marginalizes their daughters, or when we gays bemoan being pushed out of our own hard-fought organizations, they/we get called bigots and characterized by the (left) news media as ignorant and hateful. That's why I predict it will be a wedge issue.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 17:27:42 GMT
What an utter cluster fuck that was . And did all the Democrat candidates really raise their hands for illegals getting free health care?! jfc i mean yeah lol if someone is in the country they shouldn't die from preventable causes
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 17:28:11 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year. the fuck is the trans lobby lmao go fuck yourself cuck
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 17:30:00 GMT
When Democrats have run pro-Trans rights campaigns, they've usually won. See Roy Cooper and Josh Stein in North Carolina. That was in 2016. A lot has changed since then. Many women and gays/lesbians are waking up the damage caused by the Trans Lobby. For instance, biological girls being unfairly sidelined by stronger/faster biological boys. if parents object to this policy that marginalizes their daughters, or when we gays bemoan being pushed out of our own hard-fought organizations, they/we get called bigots and characterized by the (left) news media as ignorant and hateful. That's why I predict it will be a wedge issue. wahhh kids sports are becoming unfair wahhhh who gives a shit lol plenty of trans people are themselves gay, why would they want to sabotage cis gay people?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 30, 2019 17:40:46 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year. I agree with this and even though Tyler makes a good point too but in Presidential elections - the cultural stuff adds up across issues too. The Republicans kill the Dems on all cultural issues - which is really f'd up because this Dem platform runs the risk of looking nothing like Obama's winning platform - not sure whose controlling the party (AOC?) but drawing that Trans equivalency links different ideas and different percentages of the electorate. Of course everyone supports Trans rights - that's a given - but that should be implicit - win the presidency first, then make that Lobby have a voice in your administration. The Dem mindset is crazy stupid - "Kamala will stand up to Trump!" - really? I'm thinking she won't get anywhere close to having a debate with him at all.......focus people, eyes on the big prize first.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 17:45:53 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year. I agree with this and even though Tyler makes a good point in Presidential elections - the cultural stuff adds up across issues too. The Republicans kill the Dems on all cultural issues - which is really f'd up because this Dem platform runs the risk of looking nothing like Obama's winning platform - not sure whose controlling the party (AOC?) but drawing that Trans equivalency links different ideas and different percentages of the electorate. Of course everyone supports Trans rights - that's a given - but that should be implicit - win the presidency first, then make that Lobby have a voice in your administration. The Dem mindset is crazy stupid - "Kamala will stand up to Trump!" - really? I'm thinking she won't get anywhere close to having a debate with him at all.......focus people, eyes on the big prize first. it's not obvious at all that the dems give a shit about trans rights - castro shouted out pregnant trans women in the debates, lots of support is performative in nature, and differentiating yourself from the party trying to restrict their rights more than normal is probs a good thing when more and more people know trans people personally
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 30, 2019 18:05:45 GMT
The Democrats need to distance themselves from the Trans Lobby. That's what's going to hurt them in the end, because it is affecting women's daily lives (e.g., bathrooms, sports), as well as many gays (like myself) who resent being grouped with the T's (sexual orientation and gender identity are NOT the same thing) and the T's taking over the previous LGB organizations and essentially wiping out gays and lesbians. No doubt the Republicans will use it as a wedge issue come next year. Really living up to the latter half of your username there.
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Post by marvelass on Jun 30, 2019 19:07:08 GMT
See, what I mean? Criticizing trans or even not wanting to date one (as a gay man, I'm told I must accept transmen as potential sexual partners) labels you a transphobe by the far left. Nice.
As a lifelong Democrat, I am dismayed at how extremist the party has become in recent years. When you start eschewing science (XY= male, XX = female) to fit your agenda, you're no different from the Republicans who deny climate change. In fact, it means your politics have become too extreme. The so-called SJWS (far left) and Deplorables (far right) are really one and the same; they just have different ideologies. Both extreme sides think in black-and--white terms and are very militant and unwilling to compromise. That doesn't get things done!
We need to move toward the center -- and sanity! -- before we can get back on track, but that's a very unpopular opinion right now on both sides.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 30, 2019 20:06:10 GMT
That was in 2016. A lot has changed since then. Many women and gays/lesbians are waking up the damage caused by the Trans Lobby. For instance, biological girls being unfairly sidelined by stronger/faster biological boys. if parents object to this policy that marginalizes their daughters, or when we gays bemoan being pushed out of our own hard-fought organizations, they/we get called bigots and characterized by the (left) news media as ignorant and hateful. That's why I predict it will be a wedge issue. wahhh kids sports are becoming unfair wahhhh who gives a shit lol plenty of trans people are themselves gay, why would they want to sabotage cis gay people? Wahhh rich people have more money than me and that's unfair wahhhhhh. Who gives a shit?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jun 30, 2019 20:08:29 GMT
See, what I mean? Criticizing trans or even not wanting to date one (as a gay man, I'm told I must accept transmen as potential sexual partners) labels you a transphobe by the far left. Nice. As a lifelong Democrat, I am dismayed at how extremist the party has become in recent years. When you start eschewing science (XY= male, XX = female) to fit your agenda, you're no different from the Republicans who deny climate change. In fact, it means your politics have become too extreme. The so-called SJWS (far left) and Deplorables (far right) are really one and the same; they just have different ideologies. Both extreme sides think in black-and--white terms and are very militant and unwilling to compromise. That doesn't get things done! We need to move toward the center -- and sanity! -- before we can get back on track, but that's a very unpopular opinion right now on both sides. Ah you're seeing objectively. Good on you you big fruit.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 21:11:44 GMT
See, what I mean? Criticizing trans or even not wanting to date one (as a gay man, I'm told I must accept transmen as potential sexual partners) labels you a transphobe by the far left. Nice. As a lifelong Democrat, I am dismayed at how extremist the party has become in recent years. When you start eschewing science (XY= male, XX = female) to fit your agenda, you're no different from the Republicans who deny climate change. In fact, it means your politics have become too extreme. The so-called SJWS (far left) and Deplorables (far right) are really one and the same; they just have different ideologies. Both extreme sides think in black-and--white terms and are very militant and unwilling to compromise. That doesn't get things done! We need to move toward the center -- and sanity! -- before we can get back on track, but that's a very unpopular opinion right now on both sides. you're getting criticized because you say there is some sort of trans agenda when they want acceptance because they're a targeted group. date and fuck who you want, but if you're vocally saying that you aren't attracted to trans men a bunch then people are obviously (and correctly) going to assume you're transphobic also if the last bio class you took was in 9th grade then yeah, but the biologists i know are obviously aware that determining sex is not that easy and the sociologists i know are well aware of the differences in sex and gender expression and the psychologists i know are, again, aware that the best treatment is transitioning, so which science are you referring to?
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 21:12:28 GMT
wahhh kids sports are becoming unfair wahhhh who gives a shit lol plenty of trans people are themselves gay, why would they want to sabotage cis gay people? Wahhh rich people have more money than me and that's unfair wahhhhhh. Who gives a shit? ah yes 15 year olds in a wrestling competition and global poverty, just two of the same issues!
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 30, 2019 21:24:50 GMT
you're getting criticized because you say there is some sort of trans agenda when they want acceptance because they're a targeted group. date and fuck who you want, but if you're vocally saying that you aren't attracted to trans men a bunch then people are obviously (and correctly) going to assume you're transphobic
Wait, is that a thing? If you're a gay guy who isn't attracted to trans men - you can be labeled trans-phobic? Really - that seems like quite a stretch - it's sexual preference only it doesn't mean he has a "fear" of trans men?
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 30, 2019 21:36:46 GMT
you're getting criticized because you say there is some sort of trans agenda when they want acceptance because they're a targeted group. date and fuck who you want, but if you're vocally saying that you aren't attracted to trans men a bunch then people are obviously (and correctly) going to assume you're transphobic
Wait, is that a thing? If you're a gay guy who isn't attracted to trans men - you can be labeled trans-phobic? Really - that seems like quite a stretch - it's sexual preference only it doesn't mean he has a "fear" of trans men? you can be attracted to whoever. if you say this in the context of "they need to learn basic biology" and "democrats need to step off the trans platforms" then yes, you will come across as transphobic. it's sort of similar to how, if one of my friends isn't attracted to asian women, well that's all well and good, but if he says that he isn't attracted to asian women because they're sub-human, then yes obviously i will think that it stems from racism on some level
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 1, 2019 0:05:45 GMT
Wahhh rich people have more money than me and that's unfair wahhhhhh. Who gives a shit? ah yes 15 year olds in a wrestling competition and global poverty, just two of the same issues! Not just 15 years old Skippy.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 1, 2019 0:07:52 GMT
See, what I mean? Criticizing trans or even not wanting to date one (as a gay man, I'm told I must accept transmen as potential sexual partners) labels you a transphobe by the far left. Nice. As a lifelong Democrat, I am dismayed at how extremist the party has become in recent years. When you start eschewing science (XY= male, XX = female) to fit your agenda, you're no different from the Republicans who deny climate change. In fact, it means your politics have become too extreme. The so-called SJWS (far left) and Deplorables (far right) are really one and the same; they just have different ideologies. Both extreme sides think in black-and--white terms and are very militant and unwilling to compromise. That doesn't get things done! We need to move toward the center -- and sanity! -- before we can get back on track, but that's a very unpopular opinion right now on both sides. you're getting criticized because you say there is some sort of trans agenda when they want acceptance because they're a targeted group. date and fuck who you want, but if you're vocally saying that you aren't attracted to trans men a bunch then people are obviously (and correctly) going to assume you're transphobic also if the last bio class you took was in 9th grade then yeah, but the biologists i know are obviously aware that determining sex is not that easy and the sociologists i know are well aware of the differences in sex and gender expression and the psychologists i know are, again, aware that the best treatment is transitioning, so which science are you referring to? Yeah none of that is accurate in the least. I mean talk about swing and a miss.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jul 1, 2019 2:11:54 GMT
you're getting criticized because you say there is some sort of trans agenda when they want acceptance because they're a targeted group. date and fuck who you want, but if you're vocally saying that you aren't attracted to trans men a bunch then people are obviously (and correctly) going to assume you're transphobic also if the last bio class you took was in 9th grade then yeah, but the biologists i know are obviously aware that determining sex is not that easy and the sociologists i know are well aware of the differences in sex and gender expression and the psychologists i know are, again, aware that the best treatment is transitioning, so which science are you referring to? Yeah none of that is accurate in the least. I mean talk about swing and a miss. which sciences back up your beliefs?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Jul 1, 2019 2:58:46 GMT
Yeah none of that is accurate in the least. I mean talk about swing and a miss. which sciences back up your beliefs? Every biologist says sex is a binary. If you're talking about gender then you've been listening to too much of your gender queer professor. As for psychology, that has nothing to do with biology of trans people. As for transitioning, I know it has little to no effect on the suicide rate of said trannies.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jul 3, 2019 23:48:49 GMT
See, what I mean? Criticizing trans or even not wanting to date one (as a gay man, I'm told I must accept transmen as potential sexual partners) labels you a transphobe by the far left. Nice. As a lifelong Democrat, I am dismayed at how extremist the party has become in recent years. When you start eschewing science (XY= male, XX = female) to fit your agenda, you're no different from the Republicans who deny climate change. In fact, it means your politics have become too extreme. The so-called SJWS (far left) and Deplorables (far right) are really one and the same; they just have different ideologies. Both extreme sides think in black-and--white terms and are very militant and unwilling to compromise. That doesn't get things done! We need to move toward the center -- and sanity! -- before we can get back on track, but that's a very unpopular opinion right now on both sides. I'm gonna ignore all your uninformed assumptions about the people you disagree with, as well as the weird-ass, off-topic tangents you somehow find the need to go into to justify your hang-ups about trans people, and just tell you that it's absolutely not far-left or extreme to believe that "trans people don't deserve political representation because they are a threat to women in sports" is in fact *not* the most reasonable or sound proposition. Capitulating to bigots and throwing at-risk minorities under the bus for your own comfort is not an ~*enlightened gesture towards meeting halfway and healing the political discourse*~; it's simply patting yourself on the back and looking away to ignore a particular strand of hatred that just happens not to affect you. That's been done to queer people for decades under the phony guise of "agreeable centrism", and it sure as shit hasn't done anything for folks like you and me. You can choose to believe whatever you want about the ~*need to compromise*~ and acquiesce to people whose position by definition accepts no middle ground, but this "both sides are equally evil!" rhetoric of yours is absolutely *not* neutral, nor is it a reasonable center. And if you think that makes me a far-left extremist comparable to a climate change denier, then oh well. I'll do my best to cope.
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Post by dazed on Jul 31, 2019 0:58:32 GMT
“I do know that! I wrote the damn bill!”
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Post by Joaquim on Jul 31, 2019 1:36:45 GMT
Is Mommy Tulsi debating tonight? How's she doing?
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Post by dazed on Jul 31, 2019 1:41:17 GMT
Is Mommy Tulsi debating tonight? How's she doing? No , tomorrow night. Yang’s tomorow night too.
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