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Post by pupdurcs on Jun 23, 2019 21:21:37 GMT
I am in the camp that loves Spielberg at his best, but Scorsese is my fave out of everyone ever, so him. The verve and inventiveness and passion still coming through in his work at his age is astounding. Some recent Spielberg work is not without innovation in its own way, but its all technical, effects stuff (Tintin, BFG, that piece of crap last year) as a filmmaker he seems to have become obsessed with this clinical, kind of dry aesthetic, which he executes well, but the writing is barely there to back it up and give it the heft the presentation demands. Then when he does occasionally go back to trying to be all magical and Spielbergy... The magic isn't there! Does anyone even remember this man made the BFG a few years ago? That was as perfect a marriage of man and material as I could think of, and I can remember almost nothing about it. This is generally a younger mans game, and Spielberg's settling into a sort of mediocrity is testament to that, Scorsese's recent sort of reinvigoration after finally bagging that Oscar has been remarkable. I haven't always liked the movies, they're rarely comparable to his absolute best work (until his most recent effort, giving me faith like I ain't had in him in an age), but ordinary they ain't. I'd give this a hundred claps if I could. Well said.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 23, 2019 23:54:10 GMT
Even though they're of the same generation of filmmakers and are the elder statesman of today's Hollywood, they move in such different waters that it's difficult to compare. Spielberg's sensibilities align more towards the romanticism of classic Hollywood, Scorsese's towards Italian neorealism. Spielberg shines best in world-building, Scorsese in the intricacies of character - which is remarkably handy for his documentaries. Spielberg was so immediately universal and successful that he's had a siege of imitators within the mainstream, some of whom he had a guiding hand in bringing there (Robert Zemeckis, Joe Dante). Scorsese's path early on was more adjacent to the studio system, inspiring a future independent wave of filmmakers (Spike Lee, Quentin Tarantino). Spielberg transformed the studio system to play catch-up to the trends he created, Scorsese sparked an opposition to that system.
Personally, I find Spielberg the more individually fascinating filmmaker. Spielberg's technical prowess is unbelievable and I really love the economy of his storytelling, with a lot of small touches of personality or world-building that I find often allow for far more interesting and nuanced perspectives than the sentimentality he often gets pigeon-holed for (ex. I find Ready Player One a far sadder and more tonally strange film than I've seen most on here give it credit for). And even when he does sentimental - which in and of itself is not a bad thing, and for me certainly preferable than the inverse of filmmakers mistaking bleakness for profundity - I find it generally well-earned and rarely without some serious cost.
My favorite Scorsese is Taxi Driver and my favorite Spielberg is E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial which happens to also be my favorite film in general.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jun 24, 2019 2:28:30 GMT
Edge goes to Scorsese for me but that’s not to say I don’t adore a lot of Spielberg’s work.
Goodfellas and Jurassic Park for faves.
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Post by DeepArcher on Jun 24, 2019 2:31:00 GMT
Not enamored with either these days though I certainly understand the appeal of both. I'll go with Marty for now who is generally more consistent and is far more detailed and complex in his exploration of themes. As for favorites, well my favorite Spielberg is one that I just watched for the first time earlier this month and wrote a little bit about here, A.I., which is a film that I'll obviously need to let age for me but I still think it's among the most ambitious things I've seen and the quiet complexity to it is quite mesmerizing. Otherwise, Jaws and Jurassic Park each hold a special place in my heart. As for Marty, while he has many films that I absolutely love (GONY is awesome & one of his best, haters be damned), the only one I consider among my absolute favorites is Goodfellas, one of the most watchable films ever made, the kinda thing that when you stumble upon it when it's on cable you can't help but just get lost in it on-the-spot -- but, to be fair, both of these guys have a lot of films that fit that exact bill.
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 24, 2019 2:40:19 GMT
they both have some pretty admirable highs (A.I., War of the Worlds, Duel for berg, Taxi Driver, Last Temptation, Raging Bull for marty) but i don't think either would make my top 100 directors or anything. that said, i doubt scorsese has made a film as wretched as Ready Player One and he's usually more boring as a director than actually shitty
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 24, 2019 3:02:27 GMT
Both have strengths. Both have weaknesses.
For Spielberg, I just think it's the fact that he had these mediocre standards for filmmaking before he finally branched out. One can't congratulate him for having those kind of self-satisfying standards. I also think it's the fact of his ego. Scorsese seemed more passionate about the films he made - his love for everything he filmed came out more vividly. Than Spielberg did in his heyday - Spielberg also seemed full of himself, and seemed satisfied he made films that were well received and he was able to do what he did well. Obviously nobody argued that.
Still, for all his shortcomings... I do credit the man for bringing old-fashioned entertaining cinema to the audience for decades. He reminds me somewhat of John Ford.
And since he's been around so long, there's usually a sense of variety to his work. There are some unexpected great films that really impressed me. For instance, A.I. - a film I don't remember being superbly received initially, but I felt pretty mesmerized being one of the few who praised it as early as 2001-2003. I just didn't see Spielberg having those types of ideas. It was a film inspired by Kubrick, but Spielberg seemed to take his own trajectory well with that film. It seems sometimes you can expect his tropes to rear itself, but it just seemed refreshing the way he would use aliens in that film in a way that wasn't invasion or earth-people-fascinated-with-the-alien-species-that-just-landed.
Also, I also like the cult underground inspiration behind Poltergeist, the Miyazaki-ish Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and very intense war-zone sometimes adventure war pic Saving Private Ryan, and the 100 times watchable Catch Me If You Can.
But I think Scorsese wins because his passion, his pioneer of America vision, and him still being able to make The Wolf of Wall Street that late into his career speaks greater volumes. Spielberg's last REALLY great film was A.I.
Scorsese made another run at 70 years old after many people labeled as him as washed up. However, I do think Spielberg won the decade of the 00s; and maybe the 80s (though its close). There are times when Spielberg did a 70s-ness better than Scorsese. For instance, The Sugar Land Express and Duel are better than Boxcar Bertha or Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore by far, but as a whole... I think Scorsese's 70s-ness is what gave him his reputation. And I think his 90s crime films puts him above Spielberg in that decade, and in the 2010s Scorsese wins easily.
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jun 24, 2019 3:19:21 GMT
I rank Spielberg as a more talented version of somewhat hacks like Robert Zemeckis or Ron Howard tbh. He's closer to them than Scorsese imo - at least in artistic vision. I think he's closer to John Ford or William Wyler. Ron Howard is more like Clint Eastwood.
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Post by jimmalone on Jun 24, 2019 15:21:41 GMT
Scorsese is more solid in that he hasn't even close as many weak entrys as Spielberg. But Spielberg has much, much more films I rate as great.
So: Spielberg.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 17, 2020 1:23:32 GMT
This is tough. I think Spielberg has made many more good movies, but I think Goodfellas and The Departed eclipse any individual film of his.
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Post by Javi on Feb 17, 2020 1:27:08 GMT
I don't even understand the question. Marty it is.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 17, 2020 16:11:24 GMT
This is tough. I think Spielberg has made many more good movies, but I think Goodfellas and The Departed eclipse any individual film of his. So your main mission in life is to bump old threads? 😑
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Post by tastytomatoes on Feb 20, 2020 16:01:40 GMT
I have never really connected to Scorsese's movies but Spielberg has The Schindler's List. A masterpiece.
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Post by futuretrunks on Feb 20, 2020 23:32:33 GMT
This is tough. I think Spielberg has made many more good movies, but I think Goodfellas and The Departed eclipse any individual film of his. So your main mission in life is to bump old threads? 😑 Make more threads and I won't have to bump old ones!
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Post by cheesecake on Feb 20, 2020 23:35:02 GMT
Definitely going with Spielberg as Jaws is in my top 5 My favorite Scorsese is After Hours which is somewhere in my top 500.
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Post by DaleCooper on Feb 24, 2020 21:08:05 GMT
I think Scorsese because of his consistency. If I made a top 5 of each director I'd probably prefer Spielberg's but he's just made too many mediocre films as well.
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 1, 2022 18:04:34 GMT
Out of all their Director noms....... Spielberg - 8, Scorsese - 9....... Never at the same time. Do we think they might finally share the ticket this year with Flower Moon and The Fablemans?
also a post-West Side Story bump.
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Post by wallsofjericho on Mar 1, 2022 18:06:43 GMT
I'm going with Spielberg. I'm a fan of both but just love more of Spielberg's work.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Sept 12, 2022 7:11:33 GMT
Out of all their Director noms....... Spielberg - 8, Scorsese - 9....... Never at the same time. Do we think they might finally share the ticket this year with Flower Moon and The Fablemans? Imagine if they now win in back to back years...
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Post by stabcaesar on Sept 12, 2022 7:23:30 GMT
Not a fan of either.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Sept 12, 2022 13:36:10 GMT
Scorsese, of course. I'm a Goodfella kind of lady. Scorsese's best film? I stand by Raging Bull as his masterpiece. For Spielberg, Schindler's List is his greatest achievement. However, I will NEVER sit through it again and I kind of regret seeing it. That's how brutal it was for me. And one more thing, I see some Jurassic Park mentions. That film was exciting as a kid, but once I saw it as I got older, I couldn't believe how much it sucked. I hate that movie now. E.T. is still magic today.
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Post by ibbi on Sept 13, 2022 20:51:15 GMT
That film was exciting as a kid, but once I saw it as I got older, I couldn't believe how much it sucked. I hate that movie now.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Sept 13, 2022 20:57:10 GMT
That film was exciting as a kid, but once I saw it as I got older, I couldn't believe how much it sucked. I hate that movie now. I said what I said! I'll only give you the scene with the raptors in the kitchen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 14:13:10 GMT
I have been thinking about this a lot lately... I have to say that I think Schindler's List is the greatest film between the two of them, but Scorsese is certainly the more consistently interesting filmmaker. But, when Scorsese is bad ( Casino, Gangs of New York, etc.)... let's just say that Spielberg's bad doesn't annoy me as much as Scorsese's bad. So, I'm just going to call it a tie.
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Post by franklin on Jan 3, 2023 4:20:42 GMT
Casino is bad?? Loool.
I'll concede on Gangs of New York only because of Weinstein's interferences.
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