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Post by Javi on May 16, 2020 23:54:31 GMT
Ingmar Berman on Orson Welles: “For me he’s just a hoax. It’s empty. It’s not interesting. It’s dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics’ darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it’s a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie’s got is absolutely unbelievable.”
I love Welles but I also love this quote for what it says about Bergman. Welles was always straddling the line between artist and trickster and you can totally understand why Bergman would hate him... 14. Jacques Rivette on Stanley Kubrick: “Kubrick is a machine, a mutant, a Martian. He has no human feeling whatsoever. But it’s great when the machine films other machines, as in 2001.”This quote is perfect and if it didn't have that tint of irony it would not even be a criticism just a passive observation
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Post by futuretrunks on May 17, 2020 0:02:50 GMT
Haneke also said he watches QT's films to study his technique because it's undeniably masterful.
Coppola apparently holds no grudges, as he gave Gallo a good role in Tetro.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 3:17:05 GMT
24. Vincent Gallo on Sofia (and Francis Ford) Coppola: “Sofia Coppola likes any guy who has what she wants. If she wants to be a photographer she’ll fuck a photographer. If she wants to be a filmmaker, she’ll fuck a filmmaker. She’s a parasite just like her fat, pig father was.” Of course the one attack on a female director has to be sexual.
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Post by lee on May 17, 2020 11:58:00 GMT
Why are people mentioning Kevin Smith quotes? The guy isn't a great director. He's one of the worst actually.
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Post by wonky on May 17, 2020 14:25:01 GMT
Like Tyler Perry, Vincent Gallo, and Uwe Boll are so hot.
Great is subjective, anyway, but I feel like most of the quotes in that list have been circulating since back when Kevin Smith was still relevant so it’s not that weird lol.
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Post by jakesully on May 18, 2020 17:13:05 GMT
While I also loathed Magnolia and thought it was pretentious crap, Kevin Smith really shouldn't be talking shit about other directors' films haha. He directed Cop Out after all.
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Post by Film Socialism on May 18, 2020 19:36:51 GMT
Like Tyler Perry, Vincent Gallo, and Uwe Boll are so hot. Great is subjective, anyway, but I feel like most of the quotes in that list have been circulating since back when Kevin Smith was still relevant so it’s not that weird lol. vincent gallo is absolutely a better director than half of the directors mentioned ITT
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 4:12:44 GMT
Like Tyler Perry, Vincent Gallo, and Uwe Boll are so hot. Great is subjective, anyway, but I feel like most of the quotes in that list have been circulating since back when Kevin Smith was still relevant so it’s not that weird lol. vincent gallo is absolutely a better director than half of the directors mentioned ITT Easily. This group on here doesn't seem to like him lol
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Post by bob-coppola on May 19, 2020 12:45:04 GMT
Let’s not forget about that time Martin Scorsese openly bad-mouthed the oeuvre of motion picture auteurs Russo bros.
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Post by stinkybritches on May 19, 2020 14:54:55 GMT
24. Vincent Gallo on Sofia (and Francis Ford) Coppola: “Sofia Coppola likes any guy who has what she wants. If she wants to be a photographer she’ll fuck a photographer. If she wants to be a filmmaker, she’ll fuck a filmmaker. She’s a parasite just like her fat, pig father was.” Of course the one attack on a female director has to be sexual. are you new to vincent gallo? i wouldn't take any of his quotes too seriously, mate.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 15:15:38 GMT
Of course the one attack on a female director has to be sexual. are you new to vincent gallo? i wouldn't take any of his quotes too seriously, mate. Oh, believe me, I don't. It's just so typical that a man would use a more successful woman's sexuality as a weapon. Tale as old as time, really.
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Post by FallenWarrior on May 7, 2022 22:49:50 GMT
American filmmaker Orson Welles is widely regarded as one of the best directors of all time. His magnum opus, Citizen Kane, frequently finds its way onto the list of greatest films ever made as well. Apart from his cinematic creations, Welles also directed high-profile stage productions for the Federal Theatre Project, including an adaptation of Macbeth with an entirely African-American cast. In 2018, his final film The Other Side of the Wind was released on Netflix 33 years after his death.
Welles remained an outspoken public figure, criticising European filmmakers like Jean-Luc Godard who were vastly influenced by his works and developed their auteur theory on the basis of his groundbreaking cinematic techniques. Before the birth of the French New Wave, Hollywood greats such as Alfred Hitchcock, John Ford and Orson Welles were intensively studied by French critics who idolised the manifestation of their unique artistic visions in the films they made. What did Welles have to say about his students? He said that during the early phase of Godard’s career, the French auteur was a gifted director, but Welles admitted: “I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where we seem to differ, because he does.”
The American maestro was judgmental of other illustrious European filmmakers as well, including Michelangelo Antonioni and Ingmar Bergman. He famously said, “According to a young American film critic, one of the great discoveries of our age is the value of boredom as an artistic subject. [If that is the case, Michelangelo Antonioni] deserves to be counted as a pioneer and founding father.” While Bergman’s works were worshipped by film geniuses like Andrei Tarkovsky, Welles never felt drawn to their philosophical and literary nature. He confessed, “I share neither his interests nor his obsessions. He’s far more foreign to me than the Japanese.”
However, Welles hated Woody Allen’s self-indulgent comedy more than any of the aforementioned artists’ works. In an interview with Henry Jaglom, Welles said that Allen had the “Chaplin disease” and that his dislike for Allen was physical. When Jaglom suggested that Allen was not arrogant but shy, Welles went into a monologue about how much he hated the man, as cited by Vulture: “He is arrogant. Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in company is unbelievably arrogant. He acts shy, but he’s not. He’s scared. He hates himself, and he loves himself, a very tense situation. It’s people like me who have to carry on and pretend to be modest. To me, it’s the most embarrassing thing in the world—a man who presents himself at his worst to get laughs, in order to free himself from his hang-ups. Everything he does on the screen is therapeutic.”
As for the influential Alfred Hitchcock, Welles had almost no respect for the revered filmmaker. He claimed that the older Hitchcock was characterised by “egotism and laziness,” making films “all lit like television shows.” Welles’ contempt for Hitchcock was not just reserved for the latter part of Hitchcock’s acclaimed career, stating that his seminal masterpiece Vertigo was “even worse than Rear Window“. He estimated that before he died, Hitchcock was probably suffering from mental impairment. Welles said, “I think he was senile a long time before he died,” in part because “he kept falling asleep while you were talking to him.”
This is how Welles developed a notorious reputation for being extremely hostile to his colleagues, prompting a fan to create a Twitter thread about Welles’ comments about some of the leading figures in world cinema. Check it out to read more about how Welles dismisses Federico Fellini as “a superlative artist with little to say” or how he calls Soviet pioneer Sergei Eisenstein “the most overrated great director of them all.”
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Post by Martin Stett on May 7, 2022 23:03:28 GMT
I agree with pretty much everything Orson says. But then, I don't think his movies are any better.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on May 8, 2022 2:30:36 GMT
Welles was a worse human being than Woody Allen. Everything in the case of actual FACTS backed by evidence points to this. He was also much worse to work with too. Also, as much of an all-time masterpiece as CITIZEN KANE is, in my own Top 50, Woody made 4 films that were even MORE remarkable. So yeah, fuck off Orson, you fat primadonna fuck!! 🤣
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Post by countjohn on May 8, 2022 3:04:42 GMT
Feels like we had this exact same thread at one point.
His quote on Godard is exactly right, a great visual stylist but his political and philosophical views are basically childish. Breathless is still a very good movie just as a thriller, though.
I like La Notte and Blow-Up but I agree Antonioni could be incredibly dull in particular L'Avventura.
While I like Allen the quote about presenting himself at his worst to get laughs is definitely a valid criticism of some of his more mediocre work. It's also just an insightful comment generally and very true of a lot of the self dramatizing millennial and zoomer crap we see today. Narcissism and insecurity is a very bad combination in a person.
Welles's criticism of Hitchcock is overstated here. He liked his earlier work and if I recall liked Psycho but just thought his big glossy technicolor thrillers in the 50's were kitschy or whatever. And he praised the early parts of Rear Window saying he was "halfway to something wonderful" but then criticized it for having a standard murder mystery ending and pretty much abandoning all the social commentary on voyeurism. Which I would agree with as a criticism although I still like the movie. It would have been so much better if Burr turned out not to be a killer even though the audience is essentially rooting for him to be one.
Can't get on board with what he said about Eisenstein or Bergman, but hey, it's Orson Welles, he's entitled to his opinion. Really this all proves his thoughts on movies are more interesting than any critic we have today.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 8, 2022 3:16:49 GMT
Everyone deserves an opinion, and to not be bashed just for having an opinion but personally, among the ones he criticized Welles is easily the least impressive filmmaker.
So his opinion on Antonioni, Godard, Hitchcock, Allen, Eisenstein, and Bergman. Those guys are all better. The only one I would argue is Godard, but Les Carabiniers (my fave Godard) is better than my favorite Welles (Ambersons).
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Post by Barbie on May 8, 2022 5:33:41 GMT
Welles was a worse human being than Woody Allen. Everything in the case of actual FACTS backed by evidence points to this. He was also much worse to work with too. Also, as much of an all-time masterpiece as CITIZEN KANE is, in my own Top 50, Woody made 4 films that were even MORE remarkable. So yeah, fuck off Orson, you fat primadonna fuck!! 🤣 Orson Welles was also a child molester and worse?
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Post by Barbie on May 8, 2022 5:36:24 GMT
I don’t get his criticism of Woody Allen. Like yeah of course it’s therapeutic, so what? Why is that a bad thing? I think Allen is arrogant but not bc he’s shy around company
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Post by futuretrunks on May 8, 2022 5:39:27 GMT
Welles was a worse human being than Woody Allen. Everything in the case of actual FACTS backed by evidence points to this. He was also much worse to work with too. Also, as much of an all-time masterpiece as CITIZEN KANE is, in my own Top 50, Woody made 4 films that were even MORE remarkable. So yeah, fuck off Orson, you fat primadonna fuck!! 🤣 Orson Welles was also a child molester and worse? He certainly never directed a film as good as Annie Hall (scratch that - Annie Hall is great, no Orson Welles film is great). Fraud artist. Rian Johnson's debut Brick is better than Citizen Kane, and Johnson thereafter became a hack who went on to direct the abysmal The Last Jedi after the disappointing Brothers Bloom and Looper. Welles is so baffling because none of his movies are that good. You can talk about a tracking shot in Touch of Evil, but the script is garbage. So many excuses for this clown.
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on May 8, 2022 6:11:42 GMT
Welles was a worse human being than Woody Allen. Everything in the case of actual FACTS backed by evidence points to this. He was also much worse to work with too. Also, as much of an all-time masterpiece as CITIZEN KANE is, in my own Top 50, Woody made 4 films that were even MORE remarkable. So yeah, fuck off Orson, you fat primadonna fuck!! 🤣 Orson Welles was also a child molester and worse? What's this "also" shit, B?? Reeeeally?? I thought I'd read somewhere you'd wised-up about the false discredited accusations by the wretched Farrow clan?? You're still buying their howlingly unconvincing bullshit?!? Cute, but anyone with even a semblance of common sense can tell it's a disingenious witchhunt with ZERO evidence. MIA was the abusive parent, according to Moses Farrow AND Soon-Yi, and Moses says he was there the day of the allegation and that it's 100% BULLSHIT!! He's convincing, unlike Dylan, Mia, or the Sinatra Douche. But then again, I'm old enough to remember when you bought the even more howlingly unconvincing Amber Heard farce hook, line & sinker back in the old boards in 2016. Even called the great Doug Stanhope "scum" for saying what anyone who's watched the trial can now clearly tell was 100% on the money and then some. I don't know if you feel dumb about that now...but you should!
It should also be proof positive maybe you should be a little more discriminate in what accusations you believe & don't believe. The LIES about Woody are a lot closer to the Depp situation then the Weinstein, Cosby, or even Spaceys of the world.
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Post by Martin Stett on May 8, 2022 10:33:34 GMT
Feels like we had this exact same thread at one point. I thought the same. Maybe this guy deleted his account and came back with the same post?
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Post by Film Socialism on May 8, 2022 23:23:44 GMT
don't agree w most of these but welles is at least pretty funny and pointed with his insults. wish we still had him around today
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Post by Javi on May 9, 2022 0:06:13 GMT
Legend.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 9, 2022 12:30:22 GMT
Here’s a Twitter thread with these and some more.
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Post by ibbi on Aug 27, 2022 20:28:55 GMT
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