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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 11:29:48 GMT
Writing in his diary on September 7, 1979, this is what Tarkovsky had to say about Bertolucci's La luna starring Jill Clayburgh: "Saw Bertolucci's La luna. Monstrous, cheap, vulgar rubbish."Don't hold back!  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 1, 2019 12:25:06 GMT
Well this is a pet theme of mine and I've told it to pupdurcs repeatedly even going back to the old IMDB days - never trust for good or bad what any artist says about themselves or a peer/rival especially when talking within their own discipline especially - so an actor on other actors or directors on directors etc. - always highly suspect. For example, I often hear directors talk insightfully outside their craft - on acting say - but within their craft there's too many things that come into play to believe it imo - jealousy, ego, pride, competitiveness, all sorts of feelings. At best a compliment is fine and nice, at worst any hatred is utterly meaningless anyway - they almost never say "why" either - so they are like posters on here who have adjective parties who come and type "___________ gave a great (or amazing!) performance!" and nothing else............. like, why would you waste your time posting if you're not assessing/offering why/giving insight? Why would I or anyone else care what some stranger on the internet is throwing out random compliments/adjectives like that?  Anyway, sorry for the rant...........an example of what you're looking for would be Argento on the Suspiria remake and was anyone surprised he felt that way? I don't think so and he could have been fake nice a demurred in his answer so what's it matter........but boy everyone sure wanted to ask him about that ....... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 13:57:56 GMT
pacinoyes - No, don't apologize! I appreciate an opposing viewpoint, especially when it's presented respectfully and artfully. Do you feel this way about Haneke's critiques of Spielberg (specifically related to Schindler's List)?
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Post by stephen on Jun 1, 2019 14:00:25 GMT
“Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.”
-- Werner Herzog
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 14:19:34 GMT
This is really tongue-in-cheek but it’s a great quote from Peckinpah and it felt worthy of repost:
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 1, 2019 14:47:12 GMT
pacinoyes - No, don't apologize! I appreciate an opposing viewpoint, especially when it's presented respectfully and artfully. Do you feel this way about Haneke's critiques of Spielberg (specifically related to Schindler's List)? Actually, I would say people on this board need to listen to what Haneke said on Spielberg and insert the name Tarantino instead and think about it. A lot of people jumped down my throat in the last week or so about my posts that QT "can't" let Sharon Tate live (again, hypothetical) and it's exactly Haneke's same point - you have historical importance to address and responsibility as a filmmaker. So seek out that Hollywood Roundtable interview where he talks about "manipulating audiences and your responsibility as the filmmaker" - he has a whole lot of good points and I'd say, humbly so did I Now, having said that, I don't agree with Haneke that you can't tackle the Holocaust at all. To me, yes, Schindler's List gets shaky because on some level you know as it goes on that there is horror that happened that exceeds the horror on screen. However, that takes away from its level of greatness, it doesn't make it unsuccessful entirely. So I get why Haneke is saying he wouldn't do it but I have no issue with someone addressing it in film ........the trick is to somehow find Art in the history, in the Artless. The best scene in Schindler's List is a VERY manipulative scene - when they huddle in the shower and the gas isn't released - it's a cruel trick of fate. But you're manipulating the audience in the best way at least - to challenge them to think and contextualize and process it on their own. Eventually you can't manufacture in the narrative those kind of moments over and over.........but still you're thankful for the moments you do get. |
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jun 1, 2019 15:00:40 GMT
As if the holocaust even compares to watching a Haneke film
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 1, 2019 15:11:46 GMT
Orson Welles on Alfred Hitchcock: "There’s a certain icy calculation in a lot of Hitch’s work that puts me off. He says he doesn’t like actors, and sometimes it looks as though he doesn’t like people." Orson Welles on Michelangelo Antonioni: "I don't like to dwell on things. It's one of the reasons I'm so bored with Antonioni - the belief that, because a shot is good, it's going to get better if you keep looking at it. He gives you a full shot of somebody walking down a road. And you think, 'Well, he's not going to carry that woman all the way up that road.' But he does. And then she leaves and you go on looking at the road after she's gone." David Gordon Green on Kevin Smith: "He kind of created a Special Olympics for film. They just kind of lowered the standard. I’m sure their parents are proud; it’s just nothing I care to buy a ticket for." Ingmar Berman on Orson Welles: “For me he’s just a hoax. It’s empty. It’s not interesting. It’s dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics’ darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it’s a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie’s got is absolutely unbelievable.” Ingmar Bergman on Jean-Luc Godard: “I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.” Ingmar Bergman on Michelangelo Antonioni: "Antonioni has never properly learnt his craft. He’s an aesthete. If, for example, he needs a certain kind of road for The Red Desert, then he gets the houses repainted on the damned street. That is the attitude of an aesthete. He took great care over a single shot, but didn’t understand that a film is a rhythmic stream of images, a living, moving process; for him, on the contrary, it was such a shot, then another shot, then yet another. So, sure, there are some brilliant bits in his films… [but] I can’t understand why Antonioni is held in such high esteem." Ingmar Bergman on Alfred Hitchcock: "I think he's a very good technician. And he has something in Psycho, he had some moments. Psycho is one of his most interesting pictures because he had to make the picture very fast, with very primitive means. He had little money, and this picture tells very much about him. Not very good things. He is completely infantile, and I would like to know more - no, I don't want to know - about his behavior with, or, rather, against women. But this picture is very interesting." Harmony Korine on Quentin Tarantino: “Quentin Tarantino seems to be too concerned with other films. I mean, about appropriating other movies, like in a blender. I think it’s, like, really funny at the time I’m seeing it, but then, I don’t know, there’s a void there. Some of the references are flat, just pop culture.” Jean-Luc Godard on Steven Spielberg: “I don’t know him personally. I don’t think his films are very good.” Jean-Luc Godard on Stanley Kubrick: "Began flashily by making glacial copies of Ophuls's tracking shots and Aldrich's violence. Then became a recruit to intellectual commerce by following the international paths of glory of another K, an older Stanley who also saw himself as Livingstone, but whose weighty sincerity turned up trumps at Nüremberg, whereas Stanley Junior's cunning look-at-me tactics foundered in the cardboard heroics of Spartacus without ever attaining the required heroism. So Lolita led one to expect the worst. Surprise: it is a simple, lucid film, precisely written, which reveals America and American sex better than either Melville or Reichenbach, and proves that Kubrick need not abandon the cinema provided he films characters who exist instead of idea which exist only in the bottom drawers of old scriptwriters who believe that the cinema is the seventh art." Jean-Luc Godard on Michael Moore: "Post-war filmmakers gave us the documentary, Rob Reiner gave us the mockumentary and Moore initiated a third genre, the crockumentary." Andrei Tarkovsky on Steven Spielberg: "A director like Spielberg has an enormous audience and earns enormous sums and everybody is happy about that, but he is no artist and his films are not art. If I made films like him — and I don't believe I can — I would die from sheer terror. Art is as a mountain: there is a peak and surrounding it there are foothills. What exists at the summit cannot by definition be understood by everyone." Luchino Visconti on Michelangelo Antonioni: "It seems that boredom is one of the great discoveries of our time. If so, there's no question but that he must be considered a pioneer." David Cronenberg on Christopher Nolan: "What he is doing is some very interesting technical stuff, which, you know, he's shooting IMAX and in 3-D. That's really tricky and difficult to do. I read about it in American Cinematography Magazine, and technically, that's all very interesting. The movies, to me, they're mostly boring." David Cronenberg on Stanley Kubrick: "I think I’m a more intimate and personal film-maker than Kubrick ever was. That’s why I find The Shining not to be a great film. I don’t think he understood the [horror] genre. I don’t think he understood what he was doing. There were some striking images in the book and he got that, but I don’t think he really felt it." Howard Hawks on Frank Capra: "Frank Capra, until he went into the army, was one of the greatest directors we ever had. Made great entertainment. After that he couldn't make anything. He started to analyze his pictures, and put messages in them. He put messages into his other pictures, but he didn't think about it. He did it naturally. When he got to thinking about his messages, oh brother, he turned into really... ah, no good." This interview with Jacques Rivette has him insulting James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Michael Haneke, and Stanley Kubrick. |
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Post by stephen on Jun 1, 2019 15:20:08 GMT
David Gordon Green on Kevin Smith: "He kind of created a Special Olympics for film. They just kind of lowered the standard. I’m sure their parents are proud; it’s just nothing I care to buy a ticket for." This motherfucker made Your Highness. He has no room to talk. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 15:21:05 GMT
Jean-Luc Godard on Steven Spielberg: “I don’t know him personally. I don’t think his films are very good.” The original J.Lo and Mariah! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 15:23:08 GMT
OMG... AllenismTitanic (James Cameron, 1997) "I agree completely with what Jean-Luc said in this week’s Elle: it’s garbage. Cameron isn’t evil, he’s not an asshole like Spielberg. He wants to be the new De Mille. Unfortunately, he can’t direct his way out of a paper bag. On top of which the actress is awful, unwatchable, the most slovenly girl to appear on the screen in a long, long time. That’s why it’s been such a success with young girls, especially inhibited, slightly plump American girls who see the film over and over as if they were on a pilgrimage: they recognize themselves in her, and dream of falling into the arms of the gorgeous Leonardo." - Jacques Rivette |
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Jun 1, 2019 15:34:17 GMT
This ol' classic
"He is arrogant. Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in company is unbelievably arrogant. He acts shy, but he’s not. He’s scared. He hates himself, and he loves himself, a very tense situation. It’s people like me who have to carry on and pretend to be modest. To me, it’s the most embarrassing thing in the world—a man who presents himself at his worst to get laughs, in order to free himself from his hang-ups. Everything he does on the screen is therapeutic." - Orson Welles on Woody Allen
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Post by jakesully on Jun 1, 2019 16:11:49 GMT
In an interview with Rolling Stone (back when Magnolia & Fight Club came out) , PT Anderson ripped Fight Club & even "jokingly" wished testicular cancer on David Fincher (he apologized for it later on) Anderson is also not shy about other people's movies. Of David Fincher's Fight Club, he says, "I saw thirty minutes of it only because our trailer is playing in front of it. And I would love to go on railing about the movie, but I'm just going to pretend as if I haven't seen it. It's just unbearable. I wish David Fincher testicular cancer, for all of his jokes about it, I wish him testicular fucking cancer." cigsandredvines.blogspot.com/2000/02/interview-rolling-stone.html |
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Post by SeanJoyce on Jun 1, 2019 16:19:50 GMT
Howard Hawks (and John Wayne) despising High Noon was how we ended up with Rio Bravo.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 1, 2019 16:41:53 GMT
"So here's what I'm thinking... we put a vagina right where a vagina shouldn't be! I know! Crazy, right?! It's just so darned brilliant!"
... and this is coming from a guy who doesn't like The Shining, at all.
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Post by Steve17 on Jun 4, 2019 3:32:51 GMT
Kevin Smith on Paul Thomas Anderson (specifically Magnolia): “I’ll never watch it again, but I will keep it. I’ll keep it right on my desk, as a constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.”
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Post by countjohn on Jun 4, 2019 4:16:18 GMT
Ingmar Bergman was so bitchy. This ol' classic "He is arrogant. Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in company is unbelievably arrogant. He acts shy, but he’s not. He’s scared. He hates himself, and he loves himself, a very tense situation. It’s people like me who have to carry on and pretend to be modest. To me, it’s the most embarrassing thing in the world—a man who presents himself at his worst to get laughs, in order to free himself from his hang-ups. Everything he does on the screen is therapeutic." - Orson Welles on Woody AllenDon't entirely agree with this as an assessment of Allen, it's not an entirely invalid criticism but I think in his Annie Hall/Manhattan phase he was very self aware and self critical with his onscreen persona. You weren't really supposed to let his characters off the hook in those movies. But the bolded part is why I can't stand those "quirky indie millennial dramedies" that are all about self dramatization. It's pretty clear the filmmaker is just trying to get their worst qualities into the movie, but get people to laugh at them so they can convince themselves it's no big deal. Like he said, it's just embarrassing. |
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Post by Film Socialism on Jun 5, 2019 17:27:20 GMT
jon jost told me he hates stan brakhage and guillermo del toro
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 5:19:34 GMT
Wouldn't call Tarantino a *great* filmmaker - far from it - but he's very beloved and nobody talked shit like Godard: "Tarantino named his production company after one of my films. He'd have done better to give me some money."
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 6, 2019 14:06:34 GMT
David Gordon Green on Kevin Smith: "He kind of created a Special Olympics for film. They just kind of lowered the standard. I’m sure their parents are proud; it’s just nothing I care to buy a ticket for." Delete Kevin Smith and Gordon Green shit and this would be the best response of the OP! Yeah, they're not exactly "great" directors, but it was too fucking funny to keep off. |
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Post by stinkybritches on Jun 6, 2019 17:59:02 GMT
no mention yet of Terry Gilliam's multiple shits taken on Spielberg?
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 6, 2019 18:11:48 GMT
Yeah, I'm thoroughly convinced Gilliam didn't actually watch Schindler's List if that's what he came away with...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 2:57:20 GMT
The GOAT trashing a movie made by the GOAT - “What’s the worst thing that could happen, David? If you could face that, you could face anything. The worst thing that could happen...I don’t know...in the case of a film the worst thing that could happen is something like Dune. When the film is halfway there and halfway not.”
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Post by BlackCaesar21 on May 16, 2020 23:25:02 GMT
Harshest Filmmaker-on-Filmmaker Insults
1. Francois Truffaut on Michelangelo Antonioni: “Antonioni is the only important director I have nothing good to say about. He bores me; he’s so solemn and humorless.”
2. Ingmar Bergman on Michelangelo Antonioni: “Fellini, Kurosawa, and Bunuel move in the same field as Tarkovsky. Antonioni was on his way, but expired, suffocated by his own tediousness.”
3. Ingmar Berman on Orson Welles: “For me he’s just a hoax. It’s empty. It’s not interesting. It’s dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of — is all the critics’ darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it’s a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie’s got is absolutely unbelievable.”
4. Ingmar Bergman on Jean-Luc Godard: “I’ve never gotten anything out of his movies. They have felt constructed, faux intellectual, and completely dead. Cinematographically uninteresting and infinitely boring. Godard is a fucking bore. He’s made his films for the critics. One of the movies, Masculin, Féminin, was shot here in Sweden. It was mind-numbingly boring.”
5. Orson Welles on Jean-Luc Godard: “His gifts as a director are enormous. I just can’t take him very seriously as a thinker — and that’s where we seem to differ, because he does. His message is what he cares about these days, and, like most movie messages, it could be written on the head of a pin.”
6. Werner Herzog on Jean-Luc Godard: “Someone like Jean-Luc Godard is for me intellectual counterfeit money when compared to a good kung-fu film.”
7. Jean-Luc Godard on Quentin Tarantino: “Tarantino named his production company after one of my films. He’d have done better to give me some money.”
8. Harmony Korine on Quentin Tarantino: “Quentin Tarantino seems to be too concerned with other films. I mean, about appropriating other movies, like in a blender. I think it’s, like, really funny at the time I’m seeing it, but then, I don’t know, there’s a void there. Some of the references are flat, just pop culture.”
9. Nick Broomfield on Quentin Tarantino: “It’s like watching a schoolboy’s fantasy of violence and sex, which normally Quentin Tarantino would be wanking alone to in his bedroom while this mother is making his baked beans downstairs. Only this time he’s got Harvey Weinstein behind him and it’s on at a million screens.”
10. Spike Lee on Quentin Tarantino (and the “n-word” in his scripts): “I’m not against the word, and I use it, but not excessively. And some people speak that way. But, Quentin is infatuated with that word. What does he want to be made — an honorary black man?”
11. Spike Lee on Tyler Perry: “We got a black president, and we going back to Mantan Moreland and Sleep ‘n’ Eat?”
12. Tyler Perry on Spike Lee “Spike can go straight to hell! You can print that… Spike needs to shut the hell up!”
13. Clint Eastwood on Spike Lee: “A guy like him should shut his face.”
14. Jacques Rivette on Stanley Kubrick: “Kubrick is a machine, a mutant, a Martian. He has no human feeling whatsoever. But it’s great when the machine films other machines, as in 2001.”
15. Jacques Rivette on James Cameron (and Steven Spielberg): “Cameron isn’t evil, he’s not an asshole like Spielberg. He wants to be the new De Mille. Unfortunately, he can’t direct his way out of a paper bag. “
16. Jean-Luc Godard on Steven Spielberg: “I don’t know him personally. I don’t think his films are very good.”
17. Alex Cox on Steven Spielberg: “Spielberg isn’t a filmmaker, he’s a confectioner.”
18. Tim Burton on Kevin Smith (after Smith jokingly accused Burton of stealing the ending of Planet of the Apes from a Smith comic book): “Anyone who knows me knows I would never read a comic book. And I would especially never read anything created by Kevin Smith.”
19. Kevin Smith on Tim Burton (in response to “I would never read a comic book”): “Which, to me, explains fucking Batman.”
20. Kevin Smith on Paul Thomas Anderson (specifically, Magnolia): “I’ll never watch it again, but I will keep it. I’ll keep it right on my desk, as a constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.”
21. David Gordon Green on Kevin Smith: “He kind of created a Special Olympics for film. They just kind of lowered the standard. I’m sure their parents are proud; it’s just nothing I care to buy a ticket for.”
22. Vincent Gallo on Spike Jonze: “He’s the biggest fraud out there. If you bring him to a party he’s the least interesting person at the party, he’s the person who doesn’t know anything. He’s the person who doesn’t say anything funny, interesting, intelligent… He’s a pig piece of shit.”
23. Vincent Gallo on Martin Scorsese: “I wouldn’t work for Martin Scorsese for $10 million. He hasn’t made a good film in 25 years. I would never work with an egomaniac has-been.”
24. Vincent Gallo on Sofia (and Francis Ford) Coppola: “Sofia Coppola likes any guy who has what she wants. If she wants to be a photographer she’ll fuck a photographer. If she wants to be a filmmaker, she’ll fuck a filmmaker. She’s a parasite just like her fat, pig father was.”
25. Vincent Gallo on Abel Ferrara: “Abel Ferrara was on so much crack when I did The Funeral, he was never on set. He was in my room trying to pick-pocket me.”
26. Werner Herzog on Abel Ferrara: “I have no idea who Abel Ferrara is. But let him fight the windmills… I’ve never seen a film by him. I have no idea who he is. Is he Italian? Is he French? Who is he?”
27. David Cronenberg on M. Night Shymalan: “I HATE that guy! Next question.”
28. Alan Parker on Peter Greenaway (specifically The Draughtsman’s Contact): “A load of posturing poo-poo.”
29. Ken Russell on Sir Richard Attenborough: “Sir Richard (‘I’m-going-to-attack-the-Establishment-fifty-years-after-it’s-dead’) Attenborough is guilty of caricature, a sense of righteous self-satisfaction, and repetition which all undermine the impact of the film.”
30. Uwe Boll on Michael Bay: “I’m not a fucking retard like Michael Bay.”
Michael Haneke
"I remember when Quentin Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction" came out, and I was sitting in a matinee filled with young people. The famous scene of a boy's head being blown off caused a huge commotion in the theater. They thought it was great and they almost died laughing. I was upset because I think it's irresponsible."
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