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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 31, 2022 1:28:47 GMT
So where would you guys rank Season 4 against the others? I know it’s unfair given that it’s not complete yet, but it’s been so uneven, I kinda think it’ll take something miraculous to get this out of last place.
I’m ranking them 1, 3, 2, 4
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Post by morton on May 31, 2022 2:06:40 GMT
So where would you guys rank Season 4 against the others? I know it’s unfair given that it’s not complete yet, but it’s been so uneven, I kinda think it’ll take something miraculous to get this out of last place. I’m ranking them 1, 3, 2, 4 I don’t think ever will beat season 1. Then I’ll go season 3 because of the mall setting and everyone was in Hawkins even if they were in different groups. In retrospect I do like season 2 more now, but then it seemed a letdown. Still it has probably the single worst episode of the series, and the first example of the writers telling not showing why two people should be together. Then 4. I’ve really enjoyed parts of it like Eddie, but episodes are just too long, and they’re trying to cram too much in.
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Post by quetee on May 31, 2022 4:37:32 GMT
Did anyone else think the actor who played Eddie looked like Robert Downey Jr?
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Post by morton on May 31, 2022 5:27:57 GMT
Did anyone else think the actor who played Eddie looked like Robert Downey Jr? Yeah, I’ve seen people mention that he reminded them of Heath Ledger, Brendan Fraser, and even Pauly Shore. I can see those, but he reminded me of a young RDJ right off the bat. I haven’t heard anything, but going by the track record of new characters that people love that get killed off, I think he’s a goner which is too bad because I’m willing to sacrifice Jonathan, Mike even though I’m sure he’ll play a big part in El saving the world yet again, and even Will.
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Post by ibbi on May 31, 2022 13:29:32 GMT
As someone who kind of hated season 3 aside from the Steve/Robin(she wasn't so kooky in season 3, right?)/Erica part of it, my faith in this show was restored big time. Were the episodes too long? Meh. I never thought so through the first 4. I think episodes 5 and 6 had a BIG problem coming after 4, and probably would have been served far better combined into one 80 minute episode. We definitely did not need that much Red Roomey weirdness. I liked the finale, but it really was hilariously protracted in places. Like, from the moment they go into Nancy's room to the point she explains what's up did not need to go on like it did, I think we got it after the first clue guys, and that ending... The slow zoom into his wrist? Ridiculous. Still... Also, I'm glad they didn't just lazily kill all the characters who served zero purpose, though the way the likes of Jonathan and Mike and their relationship issues just vanished was very abrupt. The age thing was definitely dumb, especially in the case of Will, who I didn't even realize was Will until episode 2. I was watching episode 1 wondering who the hell is this random kid obsessed with 11?
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Post by Pavan on May 31, 2022 19:05:15 GMT
Some fun time, some genuinely tense moments and an epic showdown and a twist i didn't see coming makes this one a pretty good half season but the makers took sweet time to deliver and these episodes didn't have to be as long as they are.
Looking forward to Vol.2
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Post by franklin on May 31, 2022 20:35:57 GMT
I can see Stranger Things S4 Vol.1 blowing out of the water Bridgerton Season 2 in terms of views (Million of hours), and becoming Netflix's most watched English show/season ever.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Jun 2, 2022 22:25:48 GMT
So I’ve always found this an enjoyable but unspectacular show but I just got to the end of episode 4. Where the fuck did this come from??? They found a whole other gear there. That last 5 minutes was something special by any shows standards. The power of Kate Bush I suppose.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 4, 2022 1:03:09 GMT
Nameless main characters born from dangerous experiments, a cast that includes people with supernatural and unusual abilities, antagonists with deeply nihilistic views on humanity, a critique of global governments search for superpowers and the potential fatal effects on its people, a heavy reliance on action, suspense, and fantastical sci-fi, lengthy monologues of characters talking about their emotional states and personal theology, and a callback to nostalgia that borders on meta textual self commentary…
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Season 4 is Metal Gear
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Post by quetee on Jun 7, 2022 23:25:19 GMT
So far, I've enjoyed this season and I can't wait until July 1st.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 9, 2022 1:37:17 GMT
While S4 Vol 1 isn't quite my favorite season, the fun and entertainment value of Stranger Things is just something that I really appreciate and this block of episodes gave me plenty of that. 5 and 6 are the most forgettable of the bunch but thankfully they're followed by a terrific king size finale (for now at least) which brings everything right back on track. I can't say that I was ever into the Ryder Rides to Russia storyline but in the final episode even that turned into something that was very well done. So yeah, can't wait for the remaining two episodes, especially the 2.5-hour epic final one (can that even be called a mere episode? It's fucking movie, lol).
Gotta say, the length of the episodes bothered me only on a couple of occasions (for instance, I loved the first episode but the games montage at the end was too damn long). The more the merrier!
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Post by JangoB on Jun 21, 2022 16:02:25 GMT
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Post by quetee on Jun 21, 2022 18:09:08 GMT
Not gonna watch the trailer. For all those who are caught up on the show, I have a couple of theories:
Well, just random musings. Okay, so El was the first one to open the gate, right? The upside-down was already there but what we see now represents #1's vision?
#1 has been pissed off since 1979 and wants revenge but he had to figure out how to do it so sent out his soldiers first and once they failed he decided to do it himself. He is attacking now because he knows El lost her powers??
Who is the big baddie? Mindflayer or Vecna? I wanna say Vecna.
I wonder if #8 is needed to assist El in helping her take down Vecna?
Will #1 have a redemption arc like Anakin?
I'm scared that Vecna will prevail in Vol 2 and El ends up evil in the upside-down.
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Post by morton on Jun 22, 2022 5:35:09 GMT
Not gonna watch the trailer. For all those who are caught up on the show, I have a couple of theories:
Well, just random musings. Okay, so El was the first one to open the gate, right? The upside-down was already there but what we see now represents #1's vision?
#1 has been pissed off since 1979 and wants revenge but he had to figure out how to do it so sent out his soldiers first and once they failed he decided to do it himself. He is attacking now because he knows El lost her powers??
Who is the big baddie? Mindflayer or Vecna? I wanna say Vecna.
I wonder if #8 is needed to assist El in helping her take down Vecna?
Will #1 have a redemption arc like Anakin?
I'm scared that Vecna will prevail in Vol 2 and El ends up evil in the upside-down.
All your theories are basically what I’m thinking too. 1. I say Vecna is too because of the spider imagery around the Mindflayer and Vecna being so connected to spiders. Plus the Upside Down looked a lot different before he entered it. I don’t know how Dr. Brenner fits in. I’m not sure he could be even worse if Vecna is worse than the Mindflayer, so maybe he just represents how “ordinary” normal power having humans can be worse in their own way than someone like Vecna.
2. I hope so as much as I hated her episode because of where the placement was in season 2, but I don’t know if Eleven can do it by herself. Yeah, I know she’s got love as her super secret power that will win the day, but I think she’ll need that plus 8 against Vecna and who knows what else on the bad side.
3. I’m definitely expecting a super sad ending for season 4. The whole darkest before the dawn type of thing.
I just don’t know if the Duffer brothers have the balls to kill a super popular original character without using some kind of loophole like time travel.
If they do I think Steve might be in real danger even though I think more hints point to Jonathan. The only thing is Jonathan just doesn’t seem that popular to me, and it seems too easy to get him out of the picture by killing him off. Sure taking Steve out leaves Nancy to be with Jonathan, but it’s clear they have a lot of problems they both need to work on if they are endgame, which I think they will be.
Dustin, Lucas, and Will are probably safe for various reasons, imo. Maybe Mike since I don’t think they’d kill Hopper after last season and most everyone thinking he’s still dead now, and taking away Mike would definitely be a way to turn Eleven evil. The only problem is though I expect they’ll have a happy ending at the end of the show’s run, and unless there is some kind of loophole to bring Mike back, then he can’t really be killed off.
I think Nancy will be fine. Killing her off also makes the love triangle too easy, and her being in danger at the end of part I makes it unlikely to me that she won’t survive this season. Not to mention all the Nightmare on Elm Street references, so they won’t kill off the final girl from that series.
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Post by quetee on Jun 22, 2022 6:37:48 GMT
Not gonna watch the trailer. For all those who are caught up on the show, I have a couple of theories:
Well, just random musings. Okay, so El was the first one to open the gate, right? The upside-down was already there but what we see now represents #1's vision?
#1 has been pissed off since 1979 and wants revenge but he had to figure out how to do it so sent out his soldiers first and once they failed he decided to do it himself. He is attacking now because he knows El lost her powers??
Who is the big baddie? Mindflayer or Vecna? I wanna say Vecna.
I wonder if #8 is needed to assist El in helping her take down Vecna?
Will #1 have a redemption arc like Anakin?
I'm scared that Vecna will prevail in Vol 2 and El ends up evil in the upside-down.
All your theories are basically what I’m thinking too. 1. I say Vecna is too because of the spider imagery around the Mindflayer and Vecna being so connected to spiders. Plus the Upside Down looked a lot different before he entered it. I don’t know how Dr. Brenner fits in. I’m not sure he could be even worse if Vecna is worse than the Mindflayer, so maybe he just represents how “ordinary” nom power having humans can be worse in their own way than someone like Vecna.
2. I hope so as much as I hated her episode because of where the placement was in season 2, but I don’t know if Eleven can do it by herself. Yeah, I know she’s got love as her super secret power that will win the day, but I think she’ll need that plus 8 against Vecna and who knows what else on the bad side.
3. I’m definitely expecting a super sad ending for season 4. The whole darkest before the dawn type of thing.
I just don’t know if the Duffer brothers have the balls to kill a super popular original character without using some kind of loophole like time travel.
If they do I think Steve might be in real danger even though I think more hints point to Jonathan. The only thing is Jonathan just doesn’t seem that popular to me, and it seems too easy to get him out of the picture by killing him off. Sure taking Steve out leaves Nancy to be with Jonathan, but it’s clear they have a lot of problems they both need to work on if they are endgame, which I think they will be.
Dustin, Lucas, and Will are probably safe for various reasons, imo. Maybe Mike since I don’t think they’d kill Hopper after last season and most everyone thinking he’s still dead now, and taking away Mike would definitely be a way to turn Eleven evil. The only problem is though I expect they’ll have a happy ending at the end of the show’s run, and unless there is some kind of loophole to bring Mike back, then he can’t really be killed off.
I think Nancy will be fine. Killing her off also makes the love triangle too easy, and het being in danger at the end of part I makes it unlikely to me that she won’t survive this season. Not to mention all the Nightmare on Elm Street references, so they won’t kill off the final girl from that series.
I think Brenner has been trying to locate #1 this entire time and isolated El because he was afraid of what would happen to her. Sure he wanted to study the upside down but he also wants to find #1 and kill him.
The only reason why I think El can't do it by herself is because I think that D/D game was an easter egg. This sounds silly but it is just a theory. When Dusty rolled an 11, he lost so what ended up happening next, Erica rolled 20 and won the game. 11+8+1=20. Not sure how to take that as all three are needed to end this whole thing and go up against the mindflayer or if 1 is Anakin and decides to turn good and blow up the upside down. Also, I wonder how he got his powers in the first place?
Another thing that I found interesting is I wonder why the upside down hasn't progressed time wise. Did you notice that everyone died when the clock read 3 o clock? That was the same time Henry (young #1) rolled back the grandfather clock. So I wonder what that time represents. - EDIT: just remembered that was the time the massacre took place.
I really don't want to see Steve die. You're right though killing off Jonathan would be too easy.
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Post by morton on Jun 27, 2022 5:31:25 GMT
All your theories are basically what I’m thinking too. 1. I say Vecna is too because of the spider imagery around the Mindflayer and Vecna being so connected to spiders. Plus the Upside Down looked a lot different before he entered it. I don’t know how Dr. Brenner fits in. I’m not sure he could be even worse if Vecna is worse than the Mindflayer, so maybe he just represents how “ordinary” nom power having humans can be worse in their own way than someone like Vecna.
2. I hope so as much as I hated her episode because of where the placement was in season 2, but I don’t know if Eleven can do it by herself. Yeah, I know she’s got love as her super secret power that will win the day, but I think she’ll need that plus 8 against Vecna and who knows what else on the bad side.
3. I’m definitely expecting a super sad ending for season 4. The whole darkest before the dawn type of thing.
I just don’t know if the Duffer brothers have the balls to kill a super popular original character without using some kind of loophole like time travel.
If they do I think Steve might be in real danger even though I think more hints point to Jonathan. The only thing is Jonathan just doesn’t seem that popular to me, and it seems too easy to get him out of the picture by killing him off. Sure taking Steve out leaves Nancy to be with Jonathan, but it’s clear they have a lot of problems they both need to work on if they are endgame, which I think they will be.
Dustin, Lucas, and Will are probably safe for various reasons, imo. Maybe Mike since I don’t think they’d kill Hopper after last season and most everyone thinking he’s still dead now, and taking away Mike would definitely be a way to turn Eleven evil. The only problem is though I expect they’ll have a happy ending at the end of the show’s run, and unless there is some kind of loophole to bring Mike back, then he can’t really be killed off.
I think Nancy will be fine. Killing her off also makes the love triangle too easy, and het being in danger at the end of part I makes it unlikely to me that she won’t survive this season. Not to mention all the Nightmare on Elm Street references, so they won’t kill off the final girl from that series.
I think Brenner has been trying to locate #1 this entire time and isolated El because he was afraid of what would happen to her. Sure he wanted to study the upside down but he also wants to find #1 and kill him.
The only reason why I think El can't do it by herself is because I think that D/D game was an easter egg. This sounds silly but it is just a theory. When Dusty rolled an 11, he lost so what ended up happening next, Erica rolled 20 and won the game. 11+8+1=20. Not sure how to take that as all three are needed to end this whole thing and go up against the mindflayer or if 1 is Anakin and decides to turn good and blow up the upside down. Also, I wonder how he got his powers in the first place?
Another thing that I found interesting is I wonder why the upside down hasn't progressed time wise. Did you notice that everyone died when the clock read 3 o clock? That was the same time Henry (young #1) rolled back the grandfather clock. So I wonder what that time represents. - EDIT: just remembered that was the time the massacre took place.
I really don't want to see Steve die. You're right though killing off Jonathan would be too easy.
Yeah, the DND game was definitely a glue that it won’t just be 11 who does it. I also keep wondering about the clocks and time too. It might be a cop out to many fans, but I do wonder after this season if time travel will be something explored in season 5. I just keep thinking back to Back to the Future being a big thing in the ‘80s, and also something highlighted a few times in season 3. That plus why the Upside Down is stuck on a certain date in the past, and why Vecna hates clocks. For me, it would just depend on how it’s used. It is a supernatural show, but I think it would have to be like the third Harry Potter book where time travel exists, but can only be used in a big way only once and hopefully doesn’t lead to or have any plot holes. Also I just read this theory today, and I really think it could be foreshadowing what’s going to happen in the next two episodes. Foreshadowing at Susie’s
I admit that I’m partial to this theory though because it goes with my theory that Mike is in danger. (I do think the bat bites will affect Steve, but he’ll survive.) Plus in my last post I totally forgot about how the Nina project got its name. Nina has to be El, and Mike her lover who is killed. Although I’m not 100% sold on him dying, but he could switch places with El in the Upside Down, going along with the lyrics to “Running Up That Hill.” Plus there’s other “evidence” like if Mike were a soldier in a war film, him saying that he’s going to confess his feelings to El the next time he sees her would mark him as a goner. And the fact that he seems to be pretty hidden in the trailer. ETA: I keep forgetting about Nancy and Mike’s mom too. For some reason she was given a poster this season despite doing even less than she normally has so far. If Mike dies or is taken into the Upside Down, it should give Karen great material.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 28, 2022 0:38:39 GMT
So I’m rewatching The Dive, and I’ve come to an icky conclusion. When I first watched the season, I thought one of the silliest parts was the inclusion of the Satanic Panic movement, as a sort of needless sense of conflict when there were already government mercenaries and supernatural monsters to contend with, as well as vaguely exploitative given those conspiracy theories ruined people’s lives. But the current political climate opened my eyes. Now Roe v Wade has been overturned in an abuse of power, as an act of fascism masquerading as Evangelical righteousness. Currently, we’re also witness to the hearings surrounding January 6th, and the unpleasant memories of people fighting an imaginary war are flooding back. Rewatching it now, it might be one of the most realistic elements of the season. To the point of too realistic for comfort. In a way, I think this speaks to why we retreat into nostalgic properties like Stranger Things, whose own setting took place during the rocky Regan era. Why do we take comfort from Stranger Things? Perhaps it’s to believe that “If we made it then, maybe we’ll make it this time.”
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Post by speeders on Jun 28, 2022 21:40:03 GMT
As someone who didn't think the first 3 seasons lived up to the show's full potential and I didn't at all love it (but enjoyed them increasingly more), I think season 4 is byyyyy far the best so far and the first time I'm really engaged. It's finally become its own thing. Cannot wait for the final two episodes.
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Post by morton on Jul 1, 2022 9:36:35 GMT
I’ll probably have a better of the second episode after I watch it a few more times, but I definitely prefer the first episode.
The first episode seemed like the best of Stranger Things, but the second episode was just okay. Pretty much everyone called Eddie dying, and all those theories about a main character dying were for naught again. I don’t necessarily think there have to be big deaths, but with what the characters are facing, I feel like it isn’t as suspenseful when you can predict that the likable new character will die but the main characters will all survive.
Meh maybe I’ll appreciate it more when I rewatch it, but the double whammy of Eddie dying and the show still pushing Nancy/Steve heavily really disappointed me.
I loved learning more about Vecna and the UD, but the Russia storyline felt even more separated from the other storylines.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 1, 2022 10:54:43 GMT
I’ll have thoughts later, but… Are you kidding me? ARE YOU ACTUALLY FUCKING KIDDING ME… THAT YOU HAD A CHARACTER DEATH THAT WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY MEANT SOMETHING, AND CONVEYED GENUINE STAKES, AND THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY NEGATE IT MINUTES LATER?!? Yes, I love Max, and I’d have been devastated to lose her, but Christ, it’s Hop all over again! You have the chance to let this character have a natural stopping point, and a HUGE dramatic moment to sew seeds for the future, and then you just reverse it. At this point, why am I even afraid for any of my favorite characters? Why should I in any way believe that they’re in any actual danger? Fuck me, I’m going to bed.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 1, 2022 19:35:22 GMT
Multiple plotlines, set pieces, fights, shocks, reunions and a hint of what's to come. This season had everything including a great villain and most of it is very well done. I like that it had team work where everyone contributed and its not just Eleven doing everything.
On the down side i thought that the final showdown could've been a bit more exciting and i felt "Running up that hill" song was a tad overused.
But overall a fantastic season. Probably the best season after season one. Also it looks like it comes full circle in the final season. Guess we have wait for another two years to know.
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Post by Pavan on Jul 1, 2022 19:53:23 GMT
With all the memories, love and defeating the villain, it felt like they were following Harry Potter story beats.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jul 2, 2022 20:47:31 GMT
Yeah, this is my least favorite season.
EPISODES: 1. Dear Billy 2. The Dive 3. Papa 4. The Massacre at Hawkins Lab 5. The Monster and the Superhero 6. The Piggyback 7. The Nina Project 8. Vecna’s Curse 9. The Hellfire Club
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Post by JangoB on Jul 2, 2022 20:52:03 GMT
Loved the finale - once again Stranger Things asserts itself as a terrific piece of modern popcorn entertainment. Wasn't too big on the Two Days Later thing (or at least on when it occurred) but all the stuff that followed was still very good. I know these things can't be predicted but just for fun - how much do you think the final 140-minute episode would've grossed had it been released as a theatrical movie?
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Post by DeepArcher on Jul 3, 2022 1:14:28 GMT
That season was so clearly a massive improvement over season 3 it's kinda insane to me that anyone thinks otherwise.
Maybe it's an expectation thing. It was no surprise to me that this season was excessively bloated with 3 of the core 4 storylines arguably outright pointless and bad; but I think the way it's swinging for a more maximalist thing is the freshest thing they've done in ages. Which obviously isn't truly fresh in a way this show never has been ... just competently made entertainment. In my mind that finale was probably the best episode they've had since the first season??? Idk. It's YA-core of course but I was pretty entertained by it personally.
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