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Post by Joaquim on May 5, 2019 5:38:50 GMT
2018 results: 2. Matt Dillon - The House That Jack Built: 5 3. Christian Bale - Vice: 2 X. Willem Dafoe - At Eternity's Gate: 2
5. Joe Cole - A Prayer Before Dawn: 1 X. Tomasz Kot - Cold War: 1 X. Daveed Diggs - Blindspotting: 1 X. Ben Foster - Leave No Trace: 1 X. Clint Eastwood - The Mule: 1 X. Nicolas Cage - Mandy: 1 X. Rami Malek - Bohemian Rhapsody: 1 X. Jim Cummings - Thunder Road: 1 And the winner is... Ethan Hawke in First Reformed with 8 votes! Results: Some quick stats... Multiple wins: Non English language winning performances: Oscar winning performances: Non-Oscar nominated performances (since most of our winners were nommed anyway), excluding pre-Oscars winners: Thanks for sticking with this for the entire duration, guys!
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Post by Pavan on May 5, 2019 5:47:24 GMT
Also pretty weird that Pacino's Scarface performance won here but deemed as his worst in best/worst performances poll.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 5, 2019 6:01:37 GMT
Great job mate. Really enjoyed this poll, even if I'm not in agreement with most of the results.
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Post by idioticbunny on May 5, 2019 6:02:52 GMT
Thanks for running this! Always interesting to see where the board's tastes lie.
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Post by DeepArcher on May 5, 2019 7:40:13 GMT
Wtf, I totally missed 2018. Well, at least the right man won.
Thanks for running this, Joaquim! Great job.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 5, 2019 10:41:02 GMT
Also pretty weird that Pacino's Scarface performance won here but deemed as his worst in best/worst performances poll. Yeah, I pointed it out in the Al's worst performance poll. Doesn't make sense but whatever...
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Post by pacinoyes on May 5, 2019 11:34:30 GMT
Also pretty weird that Pacino's Scarface performance won here but deemed as his worst in best/worst performances poll. Yeah, I pointed it out in the Al's worst performance poll. Doesn't make sense but whatever... I actually disagree a little here terry. It does in a way make sense ........Let me explain : The critic Clive Barnes very astutely once said of him "(his) performance(s) transcend performance because he doesn’t act in the normal way of acting" .....so he's always in this odd and thrilling simultaneous state of a career low even while at his highest points. Think about it - Scent of a Woman gets far more grief now than it did then.........same performance......... Danny Collins, Manglehorn and The Humbling have far more support now than when he did them just a few years ago.......Devils Advocate often thought of him going OTT at first is now appreciated for his wit and humor .....I am the biggest of his fans and don't have Scarface in his all-time top 10 but it's great.........Heat one of his wisest and most shrewdly conceived roles (and also not in my top 10 for him) used to be derided but now you'd kind of be thought of to be "not getting it" if you said that but again ...........still the same performance. There's a ton of these from every stage of his career - he's constantly being reconsidered/re-evaluated/re-assessed. No American actor can compete with the depth of his best on film work and yet still we're baffled by it even now ....his last great performance was only about year ago (Paterno), and many otherwise intelligent people will tell you that he has actually flat out sucked since the 70s There are a lot of American actors you can argue as GOAT (post-Brando) but none of them - are actually anything "like" him - they are rather far more prosaic and predictable than he has ever been - even as he nears 80.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 5, 2019 15:35:47 GMT
Yeah, I pointed it out in the Al's worst performance poll. Doesn't make sense but whatever... I actually disagree a little here terry. It does in a way make sense ........Let me explain : The critic Clive Barnes very astutely once said of him "(his) performance(s) transcend performance because he doesn’t act in the normal way of acting" .....so he's always in this odd and thrilling simultaneous state of a career low even while at his highest points. Think about it - Scent of a Woman gets far more grief now than it did then.........same performance......... Danny Collins, Manglehorn and The Humbling have far more support now than when he did them just a few years ago.......Devils Advocate often thought of him going OTT at first is now appreciated for his wit and humor .....I am the biggest of his fans and don't have Scarface in his all-time top 10 but it's great.........Heat one of his wisest and most shrewdly conceived roles (and also not in my top 10 for him) used to be derided but now you'd kind of be thought of to be "not getting it" if you said that but again ...........still the same performance. There's a ton of these from every stage of his career - he's constantly being reconsidered/re-evaluated/re-assessed. No American actor can compete with the depth of his best on film work and yet still we're baffled by it even now ....his last great performance was only about year ago (Paterno), and many otherwise intelligent people will tell you that he has actually flat out sucked since the 70s There are a lot of American actors you can argue as GOAT (post-Brando) but none of them - are actually anything "like" him - they are rather far more prosaic and predictable than he has ever been - even as he nears 80. I see your point here. You're right in one thing, Al's performances can be so complicated or so diverse and different from one to another, that are loved by many and hated by many at the same time. To be honest, I don't think Scarface was one of his best or one of his worst performances. I kinda liked it and that's all there is to it. I don't rank it in his top-10 ever but I can't see how it could be hateful to many. It was over the top, sure. But He had a reason to play it that way. He was ott in Scent of a Woman also. But he did it for a reason, too. Actually, I loved this one. I understand why ppl think he shouldn't win an Oscar for it (Because he should have won many years before, for better perfs and because Denzel deserved it more in their minds (he arguably did)). I think there are very few roles of his that he approached with indifference or boredom. Almost every part he played, he did it by having a certain style and approach in his mind (ie Vincent Hanna was supposed to sniff cocaine from time to time). What strikes me as odd is this: A bunch of ppl in here who voted for BA in 83 think Pacino was the best. And another bunch voted that his worst perf ever was the exact same one! So, according to this board, the best performance of 1983 was Pacino's worst ever... Not very normal, right?? Well, I guess that proves your point anyway.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 5, 2019 16:15:16 GMT
In the real world, Scarface is Pacino's most iconic, quotable and popular performance. He should be winning random Best Actor of his year polls for it. It ain't that deep.
A very small minority of "cultured" movie nerds like to be contrarian and cite it as Al's "worst performance" because they know it's the one all jocks and rappers (ie.the popular assholes they can't stand in real life) in the real world adore and think is his greatest performance. 12 people on an internet message board voting it his worst performance in the scheme of things, means less than nothing. Scarface did more to secure Pacino's legacy than anything outside the first two Godfather films.
It's equivalent to all the nerds who used to love comic book movies when they were a niche thing, now claiming they are "awful" when they've become mainstream and the most popular thing in the world. There's an element of feeling it no longer belongs to them.
For me, the polarisation of Pacino's Scarface performance among "cinephiles" has far less to do with the actual performance, than with it's standing in the pop culture firmament. I can even pinpoint the exact moment when it happened. When every rapper on MTV Cribs made sure you could see their Scarface poster on the wall, and hip-hop made the performance emblematic and aspirational.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 5, 2019 17:57:11 GMT
thanks Joaquin!
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In the real world, Scarface is Pacino's most iconic, quotable and popular performance. He should be winning random Best Actor of his year polls for it. It ain't that deep. A very small minority of "cultured" movie nerds like to be contrarian and cite it as Al's "worst performance" because they know it's the one all jocks and rappers (ie.the popular assholes they can't stand in real life) in the real world adore and think is his greatest performance. 12 people on an internet message board voting it his worst performance in the scheme of things, means less than nothing. Scarface did more to secure Pacino's legacy than anything outside the first two Godfather films. It's equivalent to all the nerds who used to love comic book movies when they were a niche thing, now claiming they are "awful" when they've become mainstream and the most popular thing in the world. There's an element of feeling it no longer belongs to them. For me, the polarisation of Pacino's Scarface performance among "cinephiles" has far less to do with the actual performance, than with it's standing in the pop culture firmament. I can even pinpoint the exact moment when it happened. When every rapper on MTV Cribs made sure you could see their Scarface poster on the wall, and hip-hop made the performance emblematic and aspirational. Lol, what a strange post. The reason for the votes citing Scarface as Al's worst performance is because not enough people on here (or in real life) have seen most of the shitty stuff he's been in and since Scarface has always been a widely seen, love-it-or-hate-it deal, it's not at all surprising that it would get the most votes. The "movie buffs are anti hip-hop" tangent you went off on is super weird and one I have a hard time believing is grounded in reality. I'm sure plenty of people on here love rap (at the very least I do and one user literally has a fucking Young Thug meme in his signature), let alone sports
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 23:56:00 GMT
Thanks for putting this together, I like a lot of the results
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Post by pupdurcs on May 6, 2019 0:22:50 GMT
In the real world, Scarface is Pacino's most iconic, quotable and popular performance. He should be winning random Best Actor of his year polls for it. It ain't that deep. A very small minority of "cultured" movie nerds like to be contrarian and cite it as Al's "worst performance" because they know it's the one all jocks and rappers (ie.the popular assholes they can't stand in real life) in the real world adore and think is his greatest performance. 12 people on an internet message board voting it his worst performance in the scheme of things, means less than nothing. Scarface did more to secure Pacino's legacy than anything outside the first two Godfather films. It's equivalent to all the nerds who used to love comic book movies when they were a niche thing, now claiming they are "awful" when they've become mainstream and the most popular thing in the world. There's an element of feeling it no longer belongs to them. For me, the polarisation of Pacino's Scarface performance among "cinephiles" has far less to do with the actual performance, than with it's standing in the pop culture firmament. I can even pinpoint the exact moment when it happened. When every rapper on MTV Cribs made sure you could see their Scarface poster on the wall, and hip-hop made the performance emblematic and aspirational. Lol, what a strange post. The reason for the votes citing Scarface as Al's worst performance is because not enough people on here (or in real life) have seen most of the shitty stuff he's been in and since Scarface has always been a widely seen, love-it-or-hate-it deal, it's not at all surprising that it would get the most votes. The "movie buffs are anti hip-hop" tangent you went off on is super weird and one I have a hard time believing is grounded in reality. I'm sure plenty of people on here love rap (at the very least I do and one user literally has a fucking Young Thug meme in his signature), let alone sports I said what I said. It's based on about two decades or more worth of observation (I was around when "movie buffs" started turning on Scarface, and it's adoption by hip-hop was a big factor. It is not a recent thing), not some random theory I just cooked up on the fly. Feel free to disagree, but I'm sticking to my observations. If you like rap and were a popular sports playing bro in college that banged lots of cheerleaders, I commend you. But y'know, not really the point.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 6, 2019 0:38:36 GMT
Great job on running the poll series Joaquim. I really appreciated when you decided to continue it into the 1920s, that was a great touch. Can't argue against most of the winners either.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 6, 2019 1:47:13 GMT
I get pupdurcs point. Scarface being Pacino's worst performance is an exaggerated take for sure, but I do think it's accurate to say that people haven't seen most of his crap. Outside of his recent stuff, people are left with a very little overall sample size to call "worst." Maybe you can say Scent of a Woman, Carlito's Way, or Any Given Sunday for convenience - but still easier to default to Scarface.
I do think Scarface and The Godfather movies are usually the ones people associate Pacino to. On IMDB, usually people like to say Dog Day Afternoon or Heat is Pacino's best or something to that effect. Those are the two most logical alternates to The Godfather and Scarface. Those are lesser seen - more critics' entrees, and they make sense because everything else in his filmography doesn't have the same attachment to it.
I've never heard anyone in real life mention Dog Day Afternoon except people in their 50s. And Heat - despite IMDB's praise for it, is not actually a movie I've heard high school kids that I grew up with ever mention. I actually think most of the Heat fans are really old too. Or they're just film literate - guys like us.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 1:48:36 GMT
Lol, what a strange post. The reason for the votes citing Scarface as Al's worst performance is because not enough people on here (or in real life) have seen most of the shitty stuff he's been in and since Scarface has always been a widely seen, love-it-or-hate-it deal, it's not at all surprising that it would get the most votes. The "movie buffs are anti hip-hop" tangent you went off on is super weird and one I have a hard time believing is grounded in reality. I'm sure plenty of people on here love rap (at the very least I do and one user literally has a fucking Young Thug meme in his signature), let alone sports I said what I said. It's based on about two decades or more worth of observation (I was around when "movie buffs" started turning on Scarface, and it's adoption by hip-hop was a big factor. It is not a recent thing), not some random theory I just cooked up on the fly. Feel free to disagree, but I'm sticking to my observations. If you like rap and were a popular sports playing bro in college that banged lots of cheerleaders, I commend you. But y'know, not really the point. I mean, are you really saying that a majority of movie buffs collectively decided at some point "fuck Scarface" because other people - especially, uh, rappers, as you've singled out - liked it too? That's a pretty big and cynical assumption. And one that doesn't make much sense. Isn't it more likely a lot of people just don't care much for the movie (and in the context of the voting here, haven't seen the plethora of worse-received Pacino pics?). Critics were mixed on Scarface. My parents were in college around the time it came out - Dad's friends loved it, Mom's friends thought it was unbearably bad. This sort of split wasn't uncommon. It's never been a unanimously liked movie. Far from it. I'd go so far as to say it has a better reputation these days than it used to.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 6, 2019 2:03:35 GMT
I think the conversation specifically from pupdurcs point and redhawk10's point has some validity - both can have elements of truth after all.
I think in a way it's making this too narrow relative to my post which gets into a whole other thing with him that's he himself is an oddball that translates across his work, widely seen or not, acclaimed or not - even his "crap" isn't agreeable to us often and we're movie buffs (see my post above) and by focusing on just Scarface you miss out on a thing that's unique to him but again, that's outside the scope of this specific discussion.
My point really is - this wouldn't happen without him being the key element (ie you don't see it repeated with a movie he's NOT in right for any other actor?) - again that's too broad for what you're discussing here but just my 2 cents.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 6, 2019 2:21:03 GMT
I said what I said. It's based on about two decades or more worth of observation (I was around when "movie buffs" started turning on Scarface, and it's adoption by hip-hop was a big factor. It is not a recent thing), not some random theory I just cooked up on the fly. Feel free to disagree, but I'm sticking to my observations. If you like rap and were a popular sports playing bro in college that banged lots of cheerleaders, I commend you. But y'know, not really the point. I mean, are you really saying that a majority of movie buffs collectively decided at some point "fuck Scarface" because other people - especially, uh, rappers, as you've singled out - liked it too? That's a pretty big and cynical assumption. And one that doesn't make much sense. Isn't it more likely a lot of people just don't care much for the movie (and in the context of the voting here, haven't seen the plethora of worse-received Pacino pics?). Critics were mixed on Scarface. My parents were in college around the time it came out - Dad's friends loved it, Mom's friends thought it was unbearably bad. This sort of split wasn't uncommon. It's never been a unanimously liked movie. Far from it. I'd go so far as to say it has a better reputation these days than it used to. It's not a big and cynical assumption for me. I used to hang on IMDB boards as far back as the early 2000's, when casual racism among "movie buffs" was pretty much open and accepted. I'm talking from my experience. To think it's a stretch that a lot of "movie buffs" didn't utterly detest the fact that a lot of rappers who many would consider thugs and degenerates openly worshipped at the altar of Tony Montana, wouldnt cloud many cinephiles view on the character, performance and movie. Shit happens. I just noticed that the more rappers praised and co-opted it, the more "movie buffs" hated it. Not all. But enough. And the attitude has trickled down in those circles. And I don't for one second buy that people haven't seen enough of Pacino's shitty work. A vote for Scarface as his worst is a deliberately contrarian move, because it's so obviously popular in specific circles.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 6, 2019 2:39:03 GMT
I get pupdurcs point. Scarface being Pacino's worst performance is an exaggerated take for sure, but I do think it's accurate to say that people haven't seen most of his crap. Outside of his recent stuff, people are left with a very little overall sample size to call "worst." Maybe you can say Scent of a Woman, Carlito's Way, or Any Given Sunday for convenience - but still easier to default to Scarface. I do think Scarface and The Godfather movies are usually the ones people associate Pacino to. On IMDB, usually people like to say Dog Day Afternoon or Heat is Pacino's best or something to that effect. Those are the two most logical alternates to The Godfather and Scarface. Those are lesser seen - more critics' entrees, and they make sense because everything else in his filmography doesn't have the same attachment to it. I've never heard anyone in real life mention Dog Day Afternoon except people in their 50s. And Heat - despite IMDB's praise for it, is not actually a movie I've heard high school kids that I grew up with ever mention. I actually think most of the Heat fans are really old too. Or they're just film literate - guys like us. To me, this is basically saying so-called "movie buffs" or "cinephiles" have only seen like a dozen Pacino films, which seems completely ridiculous to me for a board like this where he won a greatest actor poll (If people feel him that much, they'll check out even his weaker stuff). So no one watches his movies outside the ones they heard were good or classic? Or people here have a very rudimentary knowledge of Al Pacino's body of work? It makes no sense to me. He's not some minor actor.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 2:48:44 GMT
I mean, are you really saying that a majority of movie buffs collectively decided at some point "fuck Scarface" because other people - especially, uh, rappers, as you've singled out - liked it too? That's a pretty big and cynical assumption. And one that doesn't make much sense. Isn't it more likely a lot of people just don't care much for the movie (and in the context of the voting here, haven't seen the plethora of worse-received Pacino pics?). Critics were mixed on Scarface. My parents were in college around the time it came out - Dad's friends loved it, Mom's friends thought it was unbearably bad. This sort of split wasn't uncommon. It's never been a unanimously liked movie. Far from it. I'd go so far as to say it has a better reputation these days than it used to. It's not a big and cynical assumption for me. I used to hang on IMDB boards as far back as the early 2000's, when casual racism among "movie buffs" was pretty much open and accepted. I'm talking from my experience. To think it's a stretch that a lot of "movie buffs" didn't utterly detest the fact that a lot of rappers who many would consider thugs and degenerates openly worshipped at the altar of Tony Montana, wouldnt cloud many cinephiles view on the character, performance and movie. Shit happens. I just noticed that the more rappers praised and co-opted it, the more "movie buffs" hated it. Not all. But enough. And the attitude has trickled down in those circles. And I don't for one second buy that people haven't seen enough of Pacino's shitty work. A vote for Scarface as his worst is a deliberately contrarian move, because it's so obviously popular in specific circles. The reason why it's still a big and cynical assumption is because you seem to be saying most movie buffs are likely similar to the dickheads you had the unfortunate luck to cross paths with on the cesspool of the IMDB message boards. That wasn't exactly a forum renowned for respectful discussion between users. I don't know, I disagree with you there. I doubt many people on here have seen stuff like Bobby Deerfield and Righteous Kill. Not to sound goofy, but I actually consider myself one of the more knowledgeable people on here and my knowledge of cinema overall is still extremely limited. There's so, so much out there that looks awesome, and unless you're a big Pacino fan - which, yeah, plenty of people are, although probably not a TON of users on here - you probably won't have gone through most of his very decent sized filmography.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 6, 2019 2:51:11 GMT
I get pupdurcs point. Scarface being Pacino's worst performance is an exaggerated take for sure, but I do think it's accurate to say that people haven't seen most of his crap. Outside of his recent stuff, people are left with a very little overall sample size to call "worst." Maybe you can say Scent of a Woman, Carlito's Way, or Any Given Sunday for convenience - but still easier to default to Scarface. I do think Scarface and The Godfather movies are usually the ones people associate Pacino to. On IMDB, usually people like to say Dog Day Afternoon or Heat is Pacino's best or something to that effect. Those are the two most logical alternates to The Godfather and Scarface. Those are lesser seen - more critics' entrees, and they make sense because everything else in his filmography doesn't have the same attachment to it. I've never heard anyone in real life mention Dog Day Afternoon except people in their 50s. And Heat - despite IMDB's praise for it, is not actually a movie I've heard high school kids that I grew up with ever mention. I actually think most of the Heat fans are really old too. Or they're just film literate - guys like us. To me, this is basically saying so-called "movie buffs" or "cinephiles" have only seen like a dozen Pacino films, which seems completely ridiculous to me for a board like this where he won a greatest actor poll. So no one watches his movies outside the ones they heard were good? Or people here have a very rudimentary knowledge of Al Pacino's body of work? It makes no sense to me. He's not some minor actor. I'm not saying you're wrong. In fact you're absolutely right on lots of these points. I have the same experiences as you. Every point you say I can kinda see what you're saying. Scarface was absolutely fumed at one point on IMDB. Somewhere in the early-to-mid-00s. A lot of people just saw it as trash, but that goes to the same mentality that dismisses rap as trash, as well. Some people just have a very clear idea of what trash is. I think old Hollywood fanboys are partially to blame for this. I just think an average film buff who's still very young i.e. some teenager isn't going to be counted on to have seen everything he's done. Let's just put it into perspective. Pacino was praised in the 70s-80s-and 90s. There were very few movies of his with a whole lot of praise in the 00s. Some 15 year old isn't even old enough to have lived through most of the praise for Heat, much less The Godfather or Scarface. They were born in 2004 for lols sakes. They were born in the same year The Notebook came out, and we even thought The Notebook was too modern for the pop culture sensibilities we were used to. Granted the people usually found discussing Pacino (like me and you) have seen most of his films. But the rest of the IMDB wide cohorts only really bothered to watch his acclaimed stuff. Again, not saying you're wrong. I'm just adding another element into your argument. It is definitely true that some people hate on Scarface deliberately - to make a statement. I've seen all types of reactions to a great majority of the stuff he's done - but mostly The Godfather, Scarface, and Heat - opinions on those films can be all over the place. Still, as a sane minded person, Scarface is cool with me. Pacino's performance is the OG Denzel in Training Day. I wouldn't rank it among his best, but far from his worst. It's just not Godfather: Part 2/Donnie Brasco/The Insider-level. Those are pure calibrated awesome. His performance in Scarface is still good, but I think Denzel just felt like he lived in that role better. Pacino in Scarface does have moments where he faded from reality, but Denzel in Training Day was always consistent - so I'd definitely rank Denzel's performance higher on the totem pole.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2019 2:56:49 GMT
I can agree that anyone voting Scarface as Al's worst out of spite for whatever reason is being dumb and should be honest about their taste, but I don't see any evidence to suggest that's what happened.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 6, 2019 3:02:14 GMT
It's not a big and cynical assumption for me. I used to hang on IMDB boards as far back as the early 2000's, when casual racism among "movie buffs" was pretty much open and accepted. I'm talking from my experience. To think it's a stretch that a lot of "movie buffs" didn't utterly detest the fact that a lot of rappers who many would consider thugs and degenerates openly worshipped at the altar of Tony Montana, wouldnt cloud many cinephiles view on the character, performance and movie. Shit happens. I just noticed that the more rappers praised and co-opted it, the more "movie buffs" hated it. Not all. But enough. And the attitude has trickled down in those circles. And I don't for one second buy that people haven't seen enough of Pacino's shitty work. A vote for Scarface as his worst is a deliberately contrarian move, because it's so obviously popular in specific circles. The reason why it's still a big and cynical assumption is because you seem to be saying most movie buffs are likely similar to the dickheads you had the unfortunate luck to cross paths with on the cesspool of the IMDB message boards. That wasn't exactly a forum renowned for respectful discussion between users. I don't know, I disagree with you there. I doubt many people on here have seen stuff like Bobby Deerfield and Righteous Kill. Not to sound goofy, but I actually consider myself one of the more knowledgeable people on here and my knowledge of cinema overall is still extremely limited. There's so, so much out there that looks awesome, and unless you're a big Pacino fan - which, yeah, plenty of people are, although probably not a TON of users on here - you probably won't have gone through most of his very decent sized filmography. Pacino won the greatest actor poll here. A ton of users are fans. I feel the "pleading ignorance" of his filmography thing is an easy way out. I'm not saying some younger movie buffs today dislike Scarface for the exact same reasons. But the damage has been done, and I feel those are the origins of the turn against Scarface in cinephiles circles. If younger cinephiles with less knowledge hear from older cinephiles how much they think Scarface sucks, it'll have an influence, even it you don't actively notice it. A lot of movie buffs have been down on Scarface for decades now for the reasons I mentioned, and younger generations will naturally pick up on that distaste.
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The reason why it's still a big and cynical assumption is because you seem to be saying most movie buffs are likely similar to the dickheads you had the unfortunate luck to cross paths with on the cesspool of the IMDB message boards. That wasn't exactly a forum renowned for respectful discussion between users. I don't know, I disagree with you there. I doubt many people on here have seen stuff like Bobby Deerfield and Righteous Kill. Not to sound goofy, but I actually consider myself one of the more knowledgeable people on here and my knowledge of cinema overall is still extremely limited. There's so, so much out there that looks awesome, and unless you're a big Pacino fan - which, yeah, plenty of people are, although probably not a TON of users on here - you probably won't have gone through most of his very decent sized filmography. Pacino won the greatest actor poll here. A ton of users are fans. I feel the "pleading ignorance" of his filmography thing is an easy way out. I'm not saying some movie buffs today dislike Scarface for the exact same reasons. But the damage has been done, and I feel those are the origins of the turn against Scarface in cinephiles circles. If younger cinephiles with less knowledge hear from older cinephiles how much they think Scarface sucks, it'll have an influence, even it you don't actively notice it. A lot of movie buffs have been down on Scarface for decades now, and younger generations will naturally pick up on that distaste. Those are fair points. I'd still say the greatest actor poll thing can be explained by a couple of things: 1. There are a handful of users on here that are huge Pacino fans, and are very passionate about his work. I'm not sure I've seen that kind of adoration on here for any other single actor by that number of people. Maybe Day-Lewis is close, but yeah. 2. He's a significantly popular actor whose best work is very widely seen. Of course, this goes for lots of other actors too, but when combined with my first point, I think that explains it without really having to "stretch" to figure out him winning + a decent amount of users not having seen his "bottom of the barrel" work too.
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Post by fiosnasiob on May 6, 2019 9:28:06 GMT
Voting Scarface as Pacino's absolute worst performance is a contrarian vote but I don't put too much thought about it winning a poll on here, we are few people and it's easy to create a "trend" on a poll, there is a chance that if the very first person who voted Scarface hasn't made that move, others would have also voted for something else. It's easy to encourage a vote in my opinion, especially a "shocking" one, like "Oh these 2 voted for Scarface and it's now leading the poll, let's vote for it too to show how much I think this movie/performance is overrated...even if in myself I know it isn't his worst ever".
But I also get why some people don't like it (purely based on the work), Tony Montana is such a loud character with so many excesses, all these verbal thrashing and screaming, that inconsistent accent, he can very much be seen as a complete caricature of a Cuban gangster and Pacino goes ALL out for it.
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