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Post by pupdurcs on May 3, 2019 13:07:25 GMT
I don't quite understand...are people supposed to hold their tongue about DeNiro because he used to be great?
Fans and media have been calling him a sell -out with impunity for the last 20 years. Why should retirement aged actors of note hold their opinion. Why shouldn't Huston say exactly what she thinks, if asked?
Bruno Ganz said the exact same thing about DeNiro (and Hoffman)....I don't recall any one saying Ganz should shut his mouth about DeNiro.
Ganz was being honest, which a lot of actors can be, particulately when they are old enough to no longer worry or care about repercussions. I prefer to hear actors real thoughts on fellow performers (even the ones with legendary reps). If it's negative, so be it. No one is gonna die.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 13:15:00 GMT
I don't quite understand...are people supposed to hold their tongue about DeNiro because he used to be great? People have been calling him a sell -out with impunity for the last 20 years. Why should retirement aged actors of note hold their opinion. Why shouldn't Huston say exactly what she thinks, if asked? Bruno Ganz said the exact same thing about DeNiro (and Hoffman)....I don't recall any one saying Ganz should shut his mouth about DeNiro. Ganz was being honest, which a lot of actors can be, particulately when they are old enough to no longer worry or care about repercussions. I prefer to hear actors real thoughts on fellow performers (even the ones with legendary reps). If it's negative, so be it. If a colleague and a peer criticizes you for doing the exact same thing you do in the last 15-20 years, then it's insulting. Moreover when she's not absolutely right in her judgement. De Niro has been in countless crap since the 00s but he's done some good work also. Apart from this year's Irishman (and maybe its Oscar buzz), he's had an Oscar nom, an Emmy nom and some other good films too (like Everybody's Fine for example). Maybe I post them later on (right now it's kind of difficult for me). On the other hand, Huston has done nothing. Absolutely nothing!!!
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2019 13:19:25 GMT
I don't quite understand...are people supposed to hold their tongue about DeNiro because he used to be great? Fans and media have been calling him a sell -out with impunity for the last 20 years. Why should retirement aged actors of note hold their opinion. Why shouldn't Huston say exactly what she thinks, if asked? Bruno Ganz said the exact same thing about DeNiro (and Hoffman)....I don't recall any one saying Ganz should shut his mouth about DeNiro. Ganz was being honest, which a lot of actors can be, particulately when they are old enough to no longer worry or care about repercussions. I prefer to hear actors real thoughts on fellow performers (even the ones with legendary reps). If it's negative, so be it. No one is gonna die. Well if you can tell me what possible good it can ever do then maybe I'd agree with you, but you can't so I don't. "Fans and media" aren't peers............whole different thing with peers. Say something nice or be silent and be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt. It's catty, trashy BS, and that goes for Ganz too. Yeah no one's gonna die but people are going to be misinformed and give that opinion perhaps more sway than it deserves because of who she is - in a way they don't with a critic (whose JOB is to criticize) or fans (because there are so many with opinions). That interviewer set a trap for her, she walked right into it like a 19 year old ingenue not like someone who's been around..........fnck her honesty, she doesn't know what she's talking about with regards to him and the truth is........Robert De Niro is still in the game.......still capable of some special work..........she's not so much..........and Jack well not at all.
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 3, 2019 13:22:04 GMT
I don't quite understand...are people supposed to hold their tongue about DeNiro because he used to be great? Fans and media have been calling him a sell -out with impunity for the last 20 years. Why should retirement aged actors of note hold their opinion. Why shouldn't Huston say exactly what she thinks, if asked? Bruno Ganz said the exact same thing about DeNiro (and Hoffman)....I don't recall any one saying Ganz should shut his mouth about DeNiro. Ganz was being honest, which a lot of actors can be, particulately when they are old enough to no longer worry or care about repercussions. I prefer to hear actors real thoughts on fellow performers (even the ones with legendary reps). If it's negative, so be it. No one is gonna die. Yep. Good call about Ganz as well. Really puts a shot through the reverse sexism claims. In general, women face much more backlash for being honest in this way. She knew this and still did it anyway. Good for her.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 16:02:45 GMT
To me, it's not everything about age. There are several actresses who have always gotten roles in decent movies no matter their age. There is of course Streep (who would win a nom even she made a video from her Christmas vacation and release it to the theaters) and some others ( European actresses also, mostly British and French). I said I wouldn't post any names but I am. How about actresses in their 50s like Blanchett, Pfeiffer, Kidman, Diane Lane, Melissa Leo, Laura Dern, JJ Leigh or even older like Dench, Close...
My opinion on this subject is (and always have been) that if you are a young movie star with some big stuff in your resume but always keep looking for the right part and the right film, then you'll have the chance to continue getting good roles no matter your age. If you stop caring that much for your career and being in good films, the chances are almost everyone will forget you. Producers, directors etc. won't have you in their minds when casting for their films.
A perfect example (for me at least) is Jodie Foster. She was a wonderkid (credits to Scorsese) but she didn't stop there. She had always been looking for good stuff. In her 20s, 30s and so on. In her 57, she's still a major Hollywood star and in the last 20 years she's made Anna and the King, A Very Long Engagement, Panic Room, Inside Man, Carnage, Hotel Artemis and also directed some of her own films (Money Monster, Beaver).
Maybe in her 65 she'll face the same problem many of her colleagues did, like Huston. But my point is, it's not only a matter of age. It's mostly about always looking to make good films.
For male actors is a little easier, but not much. And I respect some guys who are very careful in what movie they do next, for example Denzel, Hanks, DDL (well, DDl was way too careful...). They have always been that way, in a younger age or in an older age.
As for De Niro, he's been in many crap projects for the past 20 years, Pacino too. I don't care if they did it only for the money, if they faced financial difficulties etc, but they did.
But imo, they have never stopped searching. They never dumped their career and their legacy. Since 2000, Bobby did Men of Honor, The Score, City by the Sea, Good Shepherd, Everybody's Fine, Limitless, SLP, Wizard of Lies. With De Niro, the thing is not he isn't making good stuff, it's he's making more crap.
Don't forget he was the one who read the book about LaMotta and brought it to Scorsese's attention. He did the same only a few years ago with Frankie Machine book and Paint Houses. Meaning, trying to make good things is always on his mind. And also, he tried directing in the past 10-15 years, which is a bold step. Pacino also made his own quality movies and (kind of) documentaries, financing them himself.
What I assume is, all these guys respect their craft, even if they often do garbage flicks.And that's an artist should do: Always research, try things etc. And that's my permanent argument against people like Coppola, Lucas etc.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 3, 2019 16:09:30 GMT
I don't quite understand...are people supposed to hold their tongue about DeNiro because he used to be great? Fans and media have been calling him a sell -out with impunity for the last 20 years. Why should retirement aged actors of note hold their opinion. Why shouldn't Huston say exactly what she thinks, if asked? Bruno Ganz said the exact same thing about DeNiro (and Hoffman)....I don't recall any one saying Ganz should shut his mouth about DeNiro. Ganz was being honest, which a lot of actors can be, particulately when they are old enough to no longer worry or care about repercussions. I prefer to hear actors real thoughts on fellow performers (even the ones with legendary reps). If it's negative, so be it. No one is gonna die. Well if you can tell me what possible good it can ever do then maybe I'd agree with you, but you can't so I don't. "Fans and media" aren't peers............whole different thing with peers. Say something nice or be silent and be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt. It's catty, trashy BS, and that goes for Ganz too. Yeah no one's gonna die but people are going to be misinformed and give that opinion perhaps more sway than it deserves because of who she is - in a way they don't with a critic (whose JOB is to criticize) or fans (because there are so many with opinions). That interviewer set a trap for her, she walked right into it like a 19 year old ingenue not like someone who's been around..........fnck her honesty, she doesn't know what she's talking about with regards to him and the truth is........Robert De Niro is still in the game.......still capable of some special work..........she's not so much..........and Jack well not at all. Don't take this as a personal dig, because it's not meant as such. I just think there is way too much inconsistency in your approach to how you view actors behaviour and what they can or can't do. It treats them like cattle, not artists.On one hand, actors like Brando can be unprofessional dickheads, and actors who work with them should suck it up, keep silent and be blessed to be in the presence of genius. Or something like that. On the other hand, actors are being "catty and trashy" for simply stating their opinion on a peer that doesn't fall into ass kissing flattery. Who gives a fuck if it's about Brando, Jack, Al or Bobby? Bronson Pinchot said working with Denzel Washington was one of the worst experiences of his life, because Denzel was so "method" that Pinchot felt he used that as a pretext to not be nice to him. Pinchot has every right to recount that period. Maybe he's too sensitive and shouldn't be working with dramatic actors who stay in character, but that's how he saw it. To me that negative viewpoint actually revealed a truth about Washington....that he is that hardcore into characterisation on set. Usually, actors who work with him see it as inspirational and a positive, but it wasn't to be for Pinchot. It just makes no sense. Actors are artists. Freedom of expression goes hand in hand with being an artist. Most actors usually choose not to say anything negative about about other actors not out of some professional code of conduct, but because they are worried about burning bridges or losing job opportunities by pissing off someone powerful enough to deny them work. Let them say what they want, and let the chips fall where they may. Actors tell some of the best stories about other actors in their memoirs, when their filters are gone. I personally do not want to lose that. I love hearing Kirk Douglas in his autobiography recount John Wayne telling him not to play "sissies" like Vincent Van Gogh. That they have a responsibility to play "real men". And Douglas giving the withering reply, "But Duke, we're actors".
I don't want to lose stories like that. It keeps Hollywood history alive when actors recount their true thoughts and feelings. Douglas was friends with Wayne, but he revealed a great truth about him as an actor with his honesty, even if it wasn't flattering to him.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2019 18:03:03 GMT
I think you very much misunderstand me. It doesn't matter if the target is Brando, Jack, Al or Bobby - rather I said Brando himself was dick in the negative things he said about Burt Reynolds. Because it was petty, and uncalled for. If actors are positive towards another actor that's fine, I just don't put much stock in it that's all. Now Chris Reeve is entitled to his opinion - I just presented a different side of that story and that is Brando while at his fattest.......laziest.......most contemptuous of acting ....... was often brilliant too, that's all. Now Angelica Huston who literally was Jack Nicholson fnck buddy/sex partner - gee that's not sexist I hope lol - for many years and who is flat out wrong about Robert De Niro. So what am I to take from that - she loves Jack and Jack hates De Niro so to be nice to Jack she has to tear down Bob? Maybe I dunno.......She's an idiot who didn't see SLP and Wizard of Lies? I dunno because she didn't say - so who knows what "I haven't been "wowed" even means? Oh right, she's just being a bitch so "she's honest"....... Negativity can be dishonest too or in this case stupid. At least Chris Reeve knows what he talking about from his own POV .........but Angelica Huston clearly does not, so she's ruminating on everything his wives, businesses, money situations, etc.. I think those stories are nice among actors - I posted several in that thread you started - in fact I think I posted more stories than anyone there? But that's not what Huston did here - they are not equivalents at all.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 3, 2019 18:40:11 GMT
Interesting read... wish the interviewer focused more on her rather than constantly asking about other people.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 20:06:59 GMT
she loves Jack and Jack hates De Niro so to be nice to Jack she has to tear down Bob? Is that true?? I don't have a clue about their feelings for eachother...
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2019 20:27:09 GMT
she loves Jack and Jack hates De Niro so to be nice to Jack she has to tear down Bob? Is that true?? I don't have a clue about their feelings for eachother... Nope, not true, I was just guessing..............like she was just guessing about his wives and business dealings and what he does for money
......I mean maybe it's true........
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Post by morton on May 3, 2019 23:01:58 GMT
I take it more as who the fnck is Angelica Huston to comment on any of those 3? I love her but Jesus, dodge the question don't play along with that trap about older greats starring in bad films because you look catty and she knows fnck all about 2 of those 3 anyway - I mean like I said it's 3 times De Niro has been memorable since Jack stopped .....it's 6 for Pacino........and they both still are in exciting projects this year - how is she "spot" on in her assessment of De Niro and Pacino's careers? I mean if anything I'M spot on - at least I'm presenting the full case and didn't De Niro wow lots of people just in this decade? I mean you don't win when you talk smack about any actors and she knows better, she's been around - she could have easily said "I don't think Jack wanted to do crap - and Pacino and DeNiro have their own situations" and left it at that. In fact, she didn't have to compare De Niro TO Pacino - they were brought up separately (and she links them to make DeNiro look worse)! She at least is way out of line in regards to De Niro bringing up his ex-wives and restaurants and Tribeca - like I said, I love her, but completely unnecessary and out of line imo. Yes, I just read it, and while I don't have a problems with many of the things she said, there were some things that I don't think made her look good at all, and some of them she probably should have known better. The first thing was what she said about Penny Marshall and Carrie Fisher. Unfortunately both women have passed and can no longer defend themselves, and I think it was in bad taste to talk about their drug use. It might be true, but I just think it's a bad look for Huston as both Marshall and Fisher were remembered for so much more than that. Everyone knew that Fisher had drug problems anyways, so I think it just makes Huston look bad by commenting on Fisher's death in such a manner. I don't think she's wrong in thinking something like that, but I don't think it does any good to share it in public like that. Then she talks about movies like Poms. I don't think it's going to be high art, but I think it's pretty bitchy to single out films like that because there's not exactly a lot of roles for older women as Huston very well knows. Diane Keaton might be able to be selective, but I doubt that Pam Grier, Celia Weston, or Rhea Perlman can nowadays. Probably not Jacki Weaver either despite being Oscar nominated twice not so long ago and being the next big thing for a short time in Hollywood, but like with Streep and her filmography paling in comparison to her male peers, it's not like there's many writer-directors with awards clout creating projects for older women. That brings me to the De Niro stuff, I agree that it was out of line to bring his personal life into it like that. While I'm disappointed sometimes by what projects he takes, it's his business why he takes them. It could be financial, it could be because he enjoys working, it could be because he's not getting many other offers, etc., but it's his business. I just find it ironic that Huston talks about the financial problems that she's faced, and won't extend the same courtesy to others about why they might do projects that seem beneath them. I know Nicholson was fortunate in that he did Batman and made a very smart financial deal, but I don't think De Niro, Pacino, and others were that fortunate, and even if they were, neither she nor the rest of us are familiar with their private lives to know why they might take on a project.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 7:55:44 GMT
Why was she casted to John Wick 3?! Now Im forced to boycott it......... NOT FAIR!
I wish this mummy got retired finally.
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Post by sirjeremy on May 5, 2019 8:47:02 GMT
My thoughts on this and I can't be bothered to reply to any person here individually. She can, of course, say what the hell what she wants in and nobody is above criticism. Sure she was a little bitchy, but I don't see anything wrong with that. Why should she have to be diplomatic? Comments above about De Niro possibly doing crap for reasons other than money are laughable. Of course it's about money, because it always is. And I don't think she walked into a trap with this interview - she's been around long enough to know this interview would be huge and some remarks taken out of context. Having read both of her memoir's and a few other interviews, it's not like this honesty is out of character for her, so all in all I think that over the past decade or so she's been getting to a point in her life where she's solvent, knows the quality parts are fewer and far between than they ever were, and simply doesn't give a damn as long as she continues to work.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2019 12:36:04 GMT
LaraQ JangoB This interview is really indicative re. O'Neal - he constantly interrupts MacGraw, demands attention, etc. - he is an extreme narcissist and probably a misogynist. Also it's fairly evident that Parkinson hated Love Story... And I don't know why Huston doesn't just call out Melanie Griffith - we all know she was Tatum O'Neal's "friend" who slept with Ryan.
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Post by LaraQ on May 8, 2019 13:23:11 GMT
LaraQ JangoB This interview is really indicative re. O'Neal - he constantly interrupts MacGraw, demands attention, etc. - he is an extreme narcissist and probably a misogynist. Also it's fairly evident that Parkinson hated Love Story... And I don't know why Huston doesn't just call out Melanie Griffith - we all know she was Tatum O'Neal's "friend" who slept with Ryan. O'Neal is a scary guy,there's something really malevolent about him,he can't bear the fact that the interviewer is paying more attention to McGraw.He had a horrible rep in Hollywood,there's a reason his career died after Love Story.
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on May 8, 2019 13:49:36 GMT
Vincent Gallo has only good things to say.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 14:16:31 GMT
Vincent Gallo has only good things to say. He must be guard of the crypt where this mummy rests.
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Post by cherry68 on May 10, 2019 18:29:03 GMT
TerryMontanaMichelle Pfeiffer isn't in her 50s. She's 61, she looks great and still gets interesting roles.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 18:47:04 GMT
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Post by TerryMontana on May 10, 2019 19:59:35 GMT
TerryMontana Michelle Pfeiffer isn't in her 50s. She's 61, she looks great and still gets interesting roles. You're right. That proves my point better, I think
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 20:15:14 GMT
Time for closing gate to this mummy finally............
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on May 12, 2019 17:57:11 GMT
Vincent Gallo has only good things to say. He must be guard of the crypt where this mummy rests. That is to say, he doesn't have good things to say . Not about De Niro, and certainly not about Huston.
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