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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 11:17:36 GMT
A great read.She talks about Polanski, Allen (she'd work with him again "in a second"), cocaine!, Oprah's wrath, and her own #MeToo experiences. pacinoyes Mattsby
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Post by LaraQ on May 2, 2019 11:29:48 GMT
I love it when some of these older actresses stop giving a fuck.That's when we get all the good stuff.Oprah sounds petty af.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 2, 2019 11:48:18 GMT
Sort of mixed feelings on this - I love her and certainly she comes across as "This is the truth - I don't give a fnck" - it is a great read. Her comments on Oprah and Murray are eye-opening to say the least.
On the other hand I have to be consistent and like I always say "actors talking about acting" - in this case Deniro vs. Nicholson - should always be taken with a grain of salt - they are almost always wrong or lying or giving a tilted POV. I love Nicholson and it's obvious she does too - but the facts are, Robert DeNiro was genuinely great in Wizard of Lies and in his one scene in American Hustle and quite good in SLP too. That's in the time since Nicholson stopped.......I know she was more kind to Pacino but just in that same period he has 6 times the major, great or good work or better, than Jack does ........YDK Jack, Phil Spector, Paterno, The Humbling, Manglehorn, Danny Collins. That's a lot ........
Those 2 guys at least have the capability of being great still, Jack by stopping just...........well stopped. You don't get points for stopping and yeah Nicholson doesn't have to keep doing it but you can't give him - or Gene Hackman for that matter - that much credit for stopping. Interviewer should have challenged her a bit there imo - it isn't as simple as doing Meet The Fockers or watching Jack being a fat slob, the truth is always more complicated..........so she could have and should have been more diplomatic there, because she's more on the wrong side of that particular topic.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 13:48:27 GMT
I love it when some of these older actresses stop giving a fuck.That's when we get all the good stuff.Oprah sounds petty af. That Ryan O'Neal shade was SAVAGE.
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Post by JangoB on May 2, 2019 14:34:48 GMT
I love it when some of these older actresses stop giving a fuck.That's when we get all the good stuff.Oprah sounds petty af. That Ryan O'Neal shade was SAVAGE. Everything I've read/heard about the guy makes him sound like a complete psycho. Which is so unlike his puppy-like movie image, it's crazy. What a nut.
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 2, 2019 16:25:25 GMT
Sort of mixed feelings on this - I love her and certainly she comes across as "This is the truth - I don't give a fnck" - it is a great read. Her comments on Oprah and Murray are eye-opening to say the least. On the other hand I have to be consistent and like I always say "actors talking about acting" - in this case Deniro vs. Nicholson - should always be taken with a grain of salt - they are almost always wrong or lying or giving a tilted POV. I love Nicholson and it's obvious she does too - but the facts are, Robert DeNiro was genuinely great in Wizard of Lies and in his one scene in American Hustle and quite good in SLP too. That's in the time since Nicholson stopped.......I know she was more kind to Pacino but just in that same period he has 6 times the major, great or good work or better, than Jack does ........YDK Jack, Phil Spector, Paterno, The Humbling, Manglehorn, Danny Collins. That's a lot ........ Those 2 guys at least have the capability of being great still, Jack by stopping just...........well stopped. You don't get points for stopping and yeah Nicholson doesn't have to keep doing it but you can't give him - or Gene Hackman for that matter - that much credit for stopping. Interviewer should have challenged her a bit there imo - it isn't as simple as doing Meet The Fockers or watching Jack being a fat slob, the truth is always more complicated..........so she could have and should have been more diplomatic there, because she's more on the wrong side of that particular topic. Did we read the same interview? She was fairly critical of Nicholson’s career as well and the only reason she even mentioned De Niro and Pacino is because they were brought up by the interview in context of the older greats routinely starring in awful films. I don’t think she meant to compare them in the way you seem to be implying. She even criticized Nicholson’s Bucket List and Somethings Gotta Give choices, despite both being respectable efforts and films that werent panned.. Far better than some of the films the other two have done. I also didn’t feel like she was giving him points for retiring, rather just acknowledging that he did so before he got to a point where he started accepting junk because he was offered so much of it. I think she was spot on in her assessment of both De Niro and Pacino’s careers. I like the former more than the latter, but I don’t think it’s an outrageous opinion that De Niro hasn’t truly wowed anyone in a while.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 2, 2019 16:47:39 GMT
Did we read the same interview? She was fairly critical of Nicholson’s career as well and the only reason she even mentioned De Niro and Pacino is because they were brought up by the interview in context of the older greats routinely starring in awful films. I don’t think she meant to compare them in the way you seem to be implying. She even criticized Nicholson’s Bucket List and Somethings Gotta Give choices, despite both being respectable efforts and films that werent panned.. Far better than some of the films the other two have done. I also didn’t feel like she was giving him points for retiring, rather just acknowledging that he did so before he got to a point where he started accepting junk because he was offered so much of it. I think she was spot on in her assessment of both De Niro and Pacino’s careers. I like the former more but I don’t think it’s an outrageous opinion that De Niro hasn’t truly wowed anyone in a while I take it more as who the fnck is Angelica Huston to comment on any of those 3? I love her but Jesus, dodge the question don't play along with that trap about older greats starring in bad films because you look catty and she knows fnck all about 2 of those 3 anyway - I mean like I said it's 3 times De Niro has been memorable since Jack stopped .....it's 6 for Pacino........and they both still are in exciting projects this year - how is she "spot" on in her assessment of De Niro and Pacino's careers? I mean if anything I'M spot on - at least I'm presenting the full case and didn't De Niro wow lots of people just in this decade? I mean you don't win when you talk smack about any actors and she knows better, she's been around - she could have easily said "I don't think Jack wanted to do crap - and Pacino and DeNiro have their own situations" and left it at that. In fact, she didn't have to compare De Niro TO Pacino - they were brought up separately (and she links them to make DeNiro look worse)! She at least is way out of line in regards to De Niro bringing up his ex-wives and restaurants and Tribeca - like I said, I love her, but completely unnecessary and out of line imo.
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 2, 2019 17:00:11 GMT
I take it more as who the fnck is Angelica Huston to comment on any of those 3? I love her but Jesus, dodge the question don't play along with that trap about older greats starring in bad films because you look catty and she knows fnck all about 2 of those 3 anyway - I mean like I said it's 3 times De Niro has been memorable since Jack stopped .....it's 6 for Pacino........and they both still are in exciting projects this year - how is she "spot" on in her assessment of De Niro and Pacino's careers? I mean if anything I'M spot on - at least I'm presenting the full case and didn't De Niro wow lots of people just in this decade? I mean you don't win when you talk smack about any actors and she knows better, she's been around - she could have easily said "I don't think Jack wanted to do crap - and Pacino and DeNiro have their own situations" and left it at that. In fact, she didn't have to compare De Niro TO Pacino - they were brought up separately (and she links them to make DeNiro look worse)! She at least is way out of line in regards to De Niro bringing up his ex-wives and restaurants and Tribeca - like I said, I love her, but completely unnecessary and out of line imo. Sure, but I appreciate the honestly and I don’t think I’m ever going to criticize an actor for being brutually honest. She’s their age, has been in tons of crap herself, so I think she understand and is qualified to give an honest opinion on this. It didn’t come across as nasty or malicious to me. I haven’t seen Wizard of Lies, but I can’t think of any thing else he’s done that really wowed me personally.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 2, 2019 17:59:30 GMT
I like Huston, I really do. But I think she should give more diplomatic answers when talking about such things.
I mean, she's almost the same age with De Niro (and just a bit younger than Pacino) and she hasn't starred in a great film since the Tenenbaums. Especially in the past 10 years, her more notable work is voice acting in Isle of Dogs and Bojack Horseman....
Imo you shouldn't criticize your peers for being in crap movies when your career is full of such films for ages... She should know better...
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Post by Weaver Addict on May 2, 2019 19:24:00 GMT
She's my Oscar win for The Grifters so she can say whatever the fuck she wants and I will bow before the Queen.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 2, 2019 22:15:16 GMT
I like Huston, I really do. But I think she should give more diplomatic answers when talking about such things. I mean, she's almost the same age with De Niro (and just a bit younger than Pacino) and she hasn't starred in a great film since the Tenenbaums. Especially in the past 10 years, her more notable work is voice acting in Isle of Dogs and Bojack Horseman.... Imo you shouldn't criticize your peers for being in crap movies when your career is full of such films for ages... She should know better... Huston is a woman. At her age, she does not have the same career options as DeNiro, Pacino etc. It's not really a fair comparison at all. It may be starting to change slightly in this last generation (I notice more women in their 40's and 50's still having thriving acting careers, when it once once all over at those ages), but generally speaking, in Hollywood, if you are an actress Huston's age, unless you are a rare exception like Meryl Streep, you are put out to pasture. You take what you can get. Basically, Huston has a far better excuse for accepting whatever comes her way, than her male peers, who are almost certainly still offered tonnes more work of higher calibre than she is.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 5:27:25 GMT
I like Huston, I really do. But I think she should give more diplomatic answers when talking about such things. I mean, she's almost the same age with De Niro (and just a bit younger than Pacino) and she hasn't starred in a great film since the Tenenbaums. Especially in the past 10 years, her more notable work is voice acting in Isle of Dogs and Bojack Horseman.... Imo you shouldn't criticize your peers for being in crap movies when your career is full of such films for ages... She should know better... Huston is a woman. At her age, she does not have the same career options as DeNiro, Pacino etc. It's not really a fair comparison at all. It may be starting to change slightly in this last generation (I notice more women in their 40's and 50's still having thriving acting careers, when it once once all over at those ages), but generally speaking, in Hollywood, if you are an actress Huston's age, unless you are a rare exception like Meryl Streep, you are put out to pasture. You take what you can get. Basically, Huston has a far better excuse for accepting whatever comes her way, than her male peers, who are almost certainly still offered tonnes more work of higher calibre than she is. Yet she hasn't been the leading role in a good movie since she was 50...
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Post by pupdurcs on May 3, 2019 6:35:59 GMT
Huston is a woman. At her age, she does not have the same career options as DeNiro, Pacino etc. It's not really a fair comparison at all. It may be starting to change slightly in this last generation (I notice more women in their 40's and 50's still having thriving acting careers, when it once once all over at those ages), but generally speaking, in Hollywood, if you are an actress Huston's age, unless you are a rare exception like Meryl Streep, you are put out to pasture. You take what you can get. Basically, Huston has a far better excuse for accepting whatever comes her way, than her male peers, who are almost certainly still offered tonnes more work of higher calibre than she is. Yet she hasn't been the leading role in a good movie since she was 50... That's my point. She was from a period where most women's movie careers, particularly as major leads, effectively ended in their 40's. Huston's movie career is kind of amazing, considering how short her window was to make her mark.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 8:01:46 GMT
Yet she hasn't been the leading role in a good movie since she was 50... That's my point. She was from a period where most women's movie careers, particularly as major leads, effectively ended in their 40's. Huston's movie career is kind of amazing, considering how short her window was to make her mark. She did make her mark, that's for sure. But there are many examples of 40 and 50 year old women who have made a lot of good movies in leading or supporting roles and continue to do so. I'm not saying it's easy but it can be done. Especially if you have the career background Huston had in the 90s, being a major movie star in her early days.
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Post by pupdurcs on May 3, 2019 8:31:05 GMT
That's my point. She was from a period where most women's movie careers, particularly as major leads, effectively ended in their 40's. Huston's movie career is kind of amazing, considering how short her window was to make her mark. She did make her mark, that's for sure. But there are many examples of 40 and 50 year old women who have made a lot of good movies in leading or supporting roles and continue to do so. I'm not saying it's easy but it can be done. Especially if you have the career background Huston had in the 90s, being a major movie star in her early days. You don't know her circumstance. Just because there were a few exceptions from her era, doesn't mean it's the rule. When's the last time you saw Kathleen Turner in a movie? Great actress and one of the biggest stars of the 80's era (bigger than Huston). Turner can't get decent film roles anymore. It happens to the best of them. Like Turner, Huston takes TV work when she can (She did 32 episodes of a series called Smashed, which is a lot of work) and does a lot of cartoon voice-overs, presumably because she can get those gigs without being judged on her looks, like a lot of older ladies are in film and television. Another big reason women in film are only now having decent careers past their 40's and 50's is because they now have the science and technology to preserve their looks indefinitely. Dermatologists and plastic surgeons are helping these ladies survive. Julianne Moore is still a MILF at 58 with flawless skin. That did not used to happen, and it mostly skipped previous generations. Film is brutal for older women in the Hollywood marketplace. You don't neccesarily know why decent offers stop coming in for some formerly big stars. It could just be because casting directors or filmmakers don't think they look good on camera anymore. Older actresses from Europe tend to have better options.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 10:16:39 GMT
She did make her mark, that's for sure. But there are many examples of 40 and 50 year old women who have made a lot of good movies in leading or supporting roles and continue to do so. I'm not saying it's easy but it can be done. Especially if you have the career background Huston had in the 90s, being a major movie star in her early days. You don't know her circumstance. Just because there were a few exceptions from her era, doesn't mean it's the rule. When's the last time you saw Kathleen Turner in a movie? Great actress and one of the biggest stars of the 80's era (bigger than Huston). Turner can't get decent film roles anymore. It happens to the best of them. Like Turner, Huston takes TV work when she can (She did 32 episodes of a series called Smashed, which is a lot of work) and does a lot of cartoon voice-overs, presumably because she can get those gigs without being judged on her looks, like a lot of older ladies are in film and television. Another big reason women in film are only now having decent careers past their 40's and 50's is because they now have the science and technology to preserve their looks indefinitely. Dermatologists and plastic surgeons are helping these ladies survive. Julianne Moore is still a MILF at 58 with flawless skin. That did not used to happen, and it mostly skipped previous generations. Film is brutal for older women in the Hollywood marketplace. You don't neccesarily know why decent offers stop coming in for some formerly big stars. It could just be because casting directors or filmmakers don't think they look good on camera anymore. Older actresses from Europe tend to have better options. In general I agree. And you are also right about Turner. But I insist there are many actresses with big roles in decent films in their 40s and 50s or even older. And maybe without any help from science. No point in giving examples. Generally I know it's not that easy.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2019 10:27:29 GMT
You guys make good points in regards to aging in Hollywood (pudurcs and terry) - would have been GREAT to hear her talk about that - but alas no. That's exactly why Huston should keep her f'n mouth shut about DeNiro - and in particular she was an actress who was hurt by criticism early on in her career that she almost never recovered from. What does she think an artist would feel about her comments? On one hand she's talking about Elia Kazan and his casual cruelty and yet she engages in far worse in regards to DeNiro. Can we just say she's a bitch there? I'm kind of bemused how we can't call her a bitch because what we admire her "honesty" blah blah blah - why is being a bitch "honesty" anyway.......... she's "honestly" wrong and "honestly" overstepping her bounds - I mean we can say we love her generally, she says a lot of interesting things here specifically, AND regarding her comments in DeNiro she's a total bitch, utterly wrong and casually cruel about it too. Being wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too easy on her in this thread..........
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Post by iheartamyadams on May 3, 2019 12:09:28 GMT
You guys make good points in regards to aging in Hollywood (pudurcs and terry) - would have been GREAT to hear her talk about that - but alas no. That's exactly why Huston should keep her f'n mouth shut about DeNiro - and in particular she was an actress who was hurt by criticism early on in her career that she almost never recovered from. What does she think an artist would feel about her comments? On one hand she's talking about Elia Kazan and his casual cruelty and yet she engages in far worse in regards to DeNiro. Can we just say she's a bitch there? I'm kind of bemused how we can't call her a bitch because what we admire her "honesty" blah blah blah - why is being a bitch "honesty" anyway.......... she's "honestly" wrong and "honestly" overstepping her bounds - I mean we can say we love her generally, she says a lot of interesting things here specifically, AND regarding her comments in DeNiro she's a total bitch, utterly wrong and casually cruel about it too. Being wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too easy on her in this thread.......... Lol can we discuss what this is really about!? Do we not like Angelica Houston? Is there a sexist element here? Because there’s no way you can seriously be this triggered by her saying she hasn’t been wowed by De Niro’s recent work. lol I need to know what’s going on here
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Post by mrimpossible on May 3, 2019 12:38:12 GMT
Huston is a woman. At her age, she does not have the same career options as DeNiro, Pacino etc. It's not really a fair comparison at all. It may be starting to change slightly in this last generation (I notice more women in their 40's and 50's still having thriving acting careers, when it once once all over at those ages), but generally speaking, in Hollywood, if you are an actress Huston's age, unless you are a rare exception like Meryl Streep, you are put out to pasture. You take what you can get. Basically, Huston has a far better excuse for accepting whatever comes her way, than her male peers, who are almost certainly still offered tonnes more work of higher calibre than she is. Yet she hasn't been the leading role in a good movie since she was 50... Has she had a leading role in a movie since she turned 50???? Almost all the roles she gets are supporting mother ones...
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2019 12:38:56 GMT
There is a sexist element about it - in reverse - because if that was say Bruce Dern saying it about DeNiro I think people would say "oh STFU" but people are giving her a pass - too easily imo - so I'm just saying, "Angelica, STFU". I just really dislike actors talking badly and wrongly - and she's wrong - the dude has an Oscar nod in this decade AND an Emmy nod - so consider that before you open your mouth and fall into that interviewers trap question.
If she said she hasn't been "wowed" by DeNiro's recent work that would be bad enough - it's different if we say it, we aren't peers - but she did worse ..........she brought up his wives, his restaurant, and she's pissed about Kazan making fun of her looks etc. I went and re-read that article and there's no way to justify anything I like in the article with that bitchy DeNiro quote............to me anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 12:47:11 GMT
pacinoyes - I understand your complaints about her speaking on his marriages and businesses, but I'm just surprised that out of all the juiciness in that interview, that's what you chose to focus on! I do think that Huston is qualified to speak on De Niro's and Pacino's abilities and choices, though - she is a highly-regarded (both by cinephiles and general moviegoers), Oscar-winning actor.
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Post by mrimpossible on May 3, 2019 12:47:37 GMT
You guys make good points in regards to aging in Hollywood (pudurcs and terry) - would have been GREAT to hear her talk about that - but alas no. That's exactly why Huston should keep her f'n mouth shut about DeNiro - and in particular she was an actress who was hurt by criticism early on in her career that she almost never recovered from. What does she think an artist would feel about her comments? On one hand she's talking about Elia Kazan and his casual cruelty and yet she engages in far worse in regards to DeNiro. Can we just say she's a bitch there? I'm kind of bemused how we can't call her a bitch because what we admire her "honesty" blah blah blah - why is being a bitch "honesty" anyway.......... she's "honestly" wrong and "honestly" overstepping her bounds - I mean we can say we love her generally, she says a lot of interesting things here specifically, AND regarding her comments in DeNiro she's a total bitch, utterly wrong and casually cruel about it too. Being wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too easy on her in this thread.......... De Niro is a legend and no matter how many crappy movies he’s in won’t change that. But you’d be lying to yourself if you don’t think he’s been lowering his standards by being in films like Dirty Grandpa, Grudge Match, Killing Season, The Big Wedding, etc. He’s at a point now where he mostly doesn’t give a fck and only wants a paycheck. There are times he does try every now and then. I’m very excited for what his work in Irishman and hope it’s a return to form from his glory days.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 3, 2019 12:49:14 GMT
Yet she hasn't been the leading role in a good movie since she was 50... Has she had a leading role in a movie since she turned 50???? Almost all the roles she gets are supporting mother ones... That's my point actually. I don't believe there wasn't any leading role offered to her since she turned 50. In my mind, she doesn't really care taking leading parts in decent projects. Not even once in 20 years?? She feels it's OK to have small parts in no-matter-what films and do voice acting. It's like saying "I had my career until the 90s and that was it. I don't really mind what I do next". That's OK by me but she shouldn't criticize her peers for the exact same reason.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2019 12:54:00 GMT
pacinoyes - I understand your complaints about her speaking on his marriages and businesses, but I'm just surprised that out of all the juiciness in that interview, that's what you chose to focus on! I do think that Huston is qualified to speak on De Niro's and Pacino's abilities and choices, though - she is a highly-regarded (both by cinephiles and general moviegoers), Oscar-winning actor. Yeah, I guess I just think it's trashy - like people are saying in this thread "well he does movies for money" but my point is just actors shouldn't discuss the work of other actors negatively - she got played/suckered in that interview and if you do a search on Angelica Huston/De Niro on Google today you'll see how it's been reprinted out of context and seems far meaner than even her original quote. You gotta be smarter than that nowadays with what you say. Anyway, I did like the rest of it when she talked about her personal experiences - and definitely her O'Neal comments were pretty staggering. She'd write a great autobiography
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Post by mrimpossible on May 3, 2019 12:55:05 GMT
Has she had a leading role in a movie since she turned 50???? Almost all the roles she gets are supporting mother ones... That's my point actually. I don't believe there wasn't any leading role offered to her since she turned 50. In my mind, she doesn't really care taking leading parts in decent projects. Not even once in 20 years?? She feels it's OK to have small parts in no-matter-what films and do voice acting. It's like saying "I had my career until the 90s and that was it. I don't really mind what I do next". That's OK by me but she shouldn't criticize her peers for the exact same reason. I wouldn’t be surprised if she got no Leading roles considering she did gain weight as she got in her 50s.
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