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Post by Joaquim on Apr 29, 2019 2:36:41 GMT
Hollywood needs to be fucking burned to the ground if this happens.
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 29, 2019 3:04:18 GMT
If it breaks Avatar's record box office, it's a very good bet.
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Post by morton on Apr 29, 2019 3:28:05 GMT
I'm going to say no.
Avatar had a lot going for it. Technically it was an original story with groundbreaking effects and was James Cameron's follow up to Titanic.
While Endgame has become a phenomenon that won't be matched for a very long time, maybe not ever again, I think that Oscar voters and most other award bodies still have too much of a bias against something like Endgame. Like Black Panther last year had so much going for it (highly rated by critics, huge box office, importance factor, top notch techs), but in the end it almost missed out in what was a pretty weak year overall.
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Post by Zeb31 on Apr 29, 2019 3:55:47 GMT
Not at all. Maybe under the 10-nominee system, but I don't know if it'll have enough passion to get it through the finish line with the preferential ballot.
Black Panther was also a box-office behemoth, but it had far more going for it than Endgame does: flat-out raves (nearly 90 on Metacritic, which not even Nolan's Batman trilogy managed to get), the narrative of breaking glass ceilings in terms of race and gender in major blockbuster tentpoles, Disney going out of their way to really campaign hard for it like they never do with their below-the-line players (not even Star Wars got pushed at the same level), and also enough thematic weight to its central plot that voters wouldn't shy away from picking it as their #1 like they would with most other comic book movies. Black Panther doesn't have the deepest script in the world or anything, but there was enough conversation about the political implications of the two dueling viewpoints at its core that it wasn't dismissed as merely "CGI bad guy wants to destroy the world because". It had every single possible factor working in its favor.
(And as for Avatar, that was a December release that downright revolutionized the industry and was the first project in over a decade from a perceived visionary whose previous film had won 11 Oscars and become the highest grossing of all time. Not comparable.)
Endgame on the other hand got strong reviews and is making obscene amounts of money, but can it be expected to maintain this level of buzz for 9 months, especially when the year is going to be jam-packed with other Disney heavy-hitters that will also draw massive crowds like The Lion King, Toy Story 4 and The Rise of Skywalker?
For as historic and game-changing as the franchise may be, the Academy might feel that the MCU has been sufficiently coronated after Black Panther finally broke the Best Picture barrier and earned 7 nominations and 3 wins. That'll be fresh in their minds.
I'm not saying it can't happen; nothing is impossible in a world in which the plagued Queen biopic from Bryan Singer can become the biggest winner of the night. But it's too soon to be talking about anything being locked in any way, shape or form, especially something that has as many cons against it as Endgame does.
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Post by Drish on Apr 29, 2019 4:06:56 GMT
Hollywood needs to be fucking burned to the ground if this happens. Please! It's so much better than some of the movies nominated over the years.
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Post by jakob on Apr 29, 2019 5:57:29 GMT
I'm not saying it will just yet, but I'm not counting it out. It's firmly in the Top 20 bubble at this point.
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Post by morton on Apr 29, 2019 7:00:58 GMT
I'm not saying it will just yet, but I'm not counting it out. It's firmly in the Top 20 bubble at this point. I think that's fair. I'm not sure about a PGA nomination; although, for me personally, Kevin Feige should definitely at least be nominated there. If it gets that, then I think it could be on the top 10-15 bubble. I still think it would miss, but as Zeb31 pointed out, we still have a long ways to go, and there's no telling what might be the next Bohemian Rhapsody or Green Book, and what might be the next The Front Runner.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 29, 2019 8:19:43 GMT
I wouldn't say it's locked, not even close, that's crazy talk. At the moment I do unfortunately think it could get in.
Still, it's only April and things and opinions change. Also, while I wasn't a big fan of it, we've seen much worse films get in this decade, so who cares if it does.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 29, 2019 11:09:17 GMT
Locked? No way.
Possible? I don't think so but...
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Post by Pavan on Apr 29, 2019 14:01:04 GMT
I guess we're talking about it's awards prospect especially a best picture nomination because it's the finale of a acclaimed cinematic universe? If so Deathly Hallows: Part 2 should've been that film to get a best picture nomination first. If Harry Potter can't do such thing I don't think Marvel can or to be precise i don't want it to. Black Panther is different. It's the cultural and political impact that got it a best picture nom but not because it's a truly good Marvel film.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 29, 2019 14:59:52 GMT
Could win the most popular film Oscar...
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Post by stabcaesar on Apr 29, 2019 16:33:03 GMT
I hope not and I don't think it's going to happen.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 29, 2019 17:03:42 GMT
I don't see why I can't. Black Panther got in, I don't see why this would be deemed so different that it's out of the realm of possibility.
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Post by JangoB on Apr 29, 2019 17:24:06 GMT
No
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Apr 29, 2019 23:33:03 GMT
I'm not saying it will just yet, but I'm not counting it out. It's firmly in the Top 20 bubble at this point. I think that's fair. I'm not sure about a PGA nomination; although, for me personally, Kevin Feige should definitely at least be nominated there. If it gets that, then I think it could be on the top 10-15 bubble. I still think it would miss, but as Zeb31 pointed out, we still have a long ways to go, and there's no telling what might be the next Bohemian Rhapsody or Green Book, and what might be the next The Front Runner. I think Feige will probably get an honorary Oscar or something, he deserves it, especially for helping to put this universe together, and for it being as successful as it is. I'm firmly in the camp that Endgame has a chance at a best picture nomination, but that it's far too early to tell. While I would love if the film was nominated, as mentioned already it doesn't have the same narrative as Black Panther, and despite it breaking records, for all we know there could be ten plus critically acclaimed pictures by December that the academy would probably prefer over it. Only time will tell, really.
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Post by moonman157 on Apr 30, 2019 0:05:27 GMT
GO FUCK YOURSELF
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Post by Sharbs on Apr 30, 2019 0:06:55 GMT
In what effing world does Feige deserve an honorary Oscar
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Post by jakob on Apr 30, 2019 3:06:58 GMT
I'm not saying it will just yet, but I'm not counting it out. It's firmly in the Top 20 bubble at this point. I think that's fair. I'm not sure about a PGA nomination; although, for me personally, Kevin Feige should definitely at least be nominated there. If it gets that, then I think it could be on the top 10-15 bubble. I still think it would miss, but as Zeb31 pointed out, we still have a long ways to go, and there's no telling what might be the next Bohemian Rhapsody or Green Book, and what might be the next The Front Runner. I think a PGA nomination is a done deal. It’s about on its way to being the biggest movie of all time on top of being critically acclaimed. If it misses, it must be a great year for producers not named Kevin Feige.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 3:28:16 GMT
Not locked, but definitely not impossible. Very little out of the Academy is going to surprise me at this point.
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Post by bruinjoe96 on May 1, 2019 14:31:45 GMT
Isn't the Best Popular Film Award starting this year? Endgame has a great shot at winning that.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 1, 2019 15:30:49 GMT
Isn't the Best Popular Film Award starting this year? Endgame has a great shot at winning that. I'm not sure but I think it's not starting this year and maybe it won't start at all. Best popular film award, as if best disney film award...
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 2, 2019 13:54:49 GMT
I'm going to say no. Avatar had a lot going for it. Technically it was an original story with groundbreaking effects and was James Cameron's follow up to Titanic. While Endgame has become a phenomenon that won't be matched for a very long time, maybe not ever again, I think that Oscar voters and most other award bodies still have too much of a bias against something like Endgame. Like Black Panther last year had so much going for it (highly rated by critics, huge box office, importance factor, top notch techs), but in the end it almost missed out in what was a pretty weak year overall. Original story. Jesus Christ.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on May 2, 2019 13:59:21 GMT
I guess we're talking about it's awards prospect especially a best picture nomination because it's the finale of a acclaimed cinematic universe? If so Deathly Hallows: Part 2 should've been that film to get a best picture nomination first. If Harry Potter can't do such thing I don't think Marvel can or to be precise i don't want it to. Black Panther is different. It's the cultural and political impact that got it a best picture nom but not because it's a truly good Marvel film. It's not a good Marvel movie, it's not a good movie at all and a disgrace that it succeeded so well.
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Post by morton on May 2, 2019 17:31:20 GMT
I'm going to say no. Avatar had a lot going for it. Technically it was an original story with groundbreaking effects and was James Cameron's follow up to Titanic. While Endgame has become a phenomenon that won't be matched for a very long time, maybe not ever again, I think that Oscar voters and most other award bodies still have too much of a bias against something like Endgame. Like Black Panther last year had so much going for it (highly rated by critics, huge box office, importance factor, top notch techs), but in the end it almost missed out in what was a pretty weak year overall. Original story. Jesus Christ. That's why I added the qualifier of technically. It obviously follows the template of other films like Dancing With the Wolves or FernGully: The Last Rain Forest, but it was original in the sense that it wasn't based on a comic book, so it had the advantage of there not being that bias against it.
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Post by wonky on May 3, 2019 16:41:33 GMT
In what effing world does Feige deserve an honorary Oscar He deserves a Thalberg.
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