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Post by no on Mar 5, 2017 22:21:05 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Mar 6, 2017 1:11:15 GMT
I didn't like it, but I also didn't really dislike it. I think it's mediocre. Really love the Batman stuff for the most part, largely hate the Superman stuff (Zack Snyder seems to have some weird hatred or perverse idea of Superman), and the third act is garbage.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 6, 2017 1:13:02 GMT
I didn't like it, but I also didn't really dislike it. I think it's mediocre. Really love the Batman stuff for the most part, largely hate the Superman stuff, and the third act is garbage. This.
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Post by bruinjoe96 on Mar 6, 2017 1:29:08 GMT
No.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 1:58:09 GMT
I liked it, but it wasn't anything special.
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Post by Zeb31 on Mar 6, 2017 2:07:34 GMT
Long story short, it's a pretty-looking but ultimately exhausting mess. There are things to like about it, but much like Suicide Squad (which is downright horrible and one of the very worst blockbusters of the decade), it's completely undone by studio meddling. There are three separate films going on here (the Superman one being by far the most interesting), but none of them have enough space to breathe and be properly developed because WB/DC just had to catch up with Marvel and get to Justice League as soon as possible by cramming multiple installments' worth of plot into one, which results in most of its narrative threads and themes being completely neglected. It proposes lots of interesting ideas, but abruptly retreats to formula just as it's about to actually take them somewhere, with the most infuriating example of this being the Capitol being blown up just as the Superman storyline is about to be fleshed out. You just can't present Superman's internal conflict, introduce a new Batman, have them fight then kiss and make up, plus set up a multi-hero team-up all in 150 minutes and expect all of it to be done well. So we get that embarrassing resolution to Batman and Superman's rivalry (which is just laughable regardless of how many thinkpieces fans come up with), a hilariously muddy and confusing appearance by the Flash and (the most shockingly lazy choice in a script full of them) the rest of the Justice League being introduced via an email. I mean, Jesus. And that CGI-fest of a third act is not only incredibly tiresome and done to death, it's also a totally regressive move for a film that presents itself as so very, very serious and deep and philosophical and full of ideas. I'm in the minority on this one, but I detested Affleck and found him just as blank and inexpressive as Cavill (hardly shocking). They are saddled with terrible lines like "The bat is dead. Bury it", but still. Eisenberg is also nails on a chalkboard, and while Gadot certainly looks right for Wonder Woman, she has so little to do it's hard to properly evaluate her. The supporting cast are all far more interesting, especially Adams and Hunter. Snyder's visuals go a long way in holding it together (and it does have some beautiful sequences like the funeral at the end, which is lovely stuff), but there's not an awful lot he could've done with a script this confused and rushed. I actually really dug Man of Steel and in spite of how questionable his work with his actors is, I'm in no way as anti-Snyder as most people seem to be. Lord knows he did far, far better than Ayer. But BvS's potential is completely squandered thanks to a studio with no confidence in their own property playing by someone else's rules -- the very rules that its fanbase is so eager to mock and rebel against.
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Post by stephen on Mar 6, 2017 2:44:30 GMT
It's an extremely problematic mess, but it's better than its rep suggests.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2017 4:30:15 GMT
It's an extremely problematic mess, but it's better than its rep suggests. Pretty much this. Can only comment on its Director's Cut, though.
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Post by stephen on Mar 6, 2017 4:33:22 GMT
It's an extremely problematic mess, but it's better than its rep suggests. Pretty much this. Can only comment on its Director's Cut, though. The director's cut goes a long way toward fixing the problems of the theatrical cut. But inherently, the flaws of BvS aren't in its editing. It tries to be an origin story and a sequel AND another origin story all at once. They needed to do The Batman first, introduce him in his solo film, and then give more time to flesh out their antagonistic dynamic in the follow-up. And leave Doomsday for the next film.
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Post by cornnetto on Mar 6, 2017 4:40:26 GMT
I think the movie quality is fairly close to is reputation, strong consensus that it is a 4.5 to 5 on 10 movie (that is the average RT rating, MC score)
The sound work, the score, the imagery, there is some quality there, I loved the what is the public perception of a villain entrepreneur in 2016, it is someone like what Eisenberg did, he was good in that movie imo. Some of the theme explored and the analogy with unilateral US military interventionism around the world were not a bad idea.
But the movie become a mess with way too much and rushed sub storyline, look like a compressed book/tv series in a movie without removing some less important plot point (or just making hard choice to focus on one of them) during the pre-production phase.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2017 4:44:24 GMT
Pretty much this. Can only comment on its Director's Cut, though. The director's cut goes a long way toward fixing the problems of the theatrical cut. But inherently, the flaws of BvS aren't in its editing. It tries to be an origin story and a sequel AND another origin story all at once. They needed to do The Batman first, introduce him in his solo film, and then give more time to flesh out their antagonistic dynamic in the follow-up. And leave Doomsday for the next film. They really should have made it a Batman Origins with the introduction of Wonder Woman and a few appearances from Superman, rather than focusing on the impending BvS battle. Affleck was doing fine work as an aging, bitter Bruce... should have just let him go with it full tilt first before making it a mash-up. So yeah, again, basically agree.
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Post by stephen on Mar 6, 2017 4:47:01 GMT
The director's cut goes a long way toward fixing the problems of the theatrical cut. But inherently, the flaws of BvS aren't in its editing. It tries to be an origin story and a sequel AND another origin story all at once. They needed to do The Batman first, introduce him in his solo film, and then give more time to flesh out their antagonistic dynamic in the follow-up. And leave Doomsday for the next film. They really should have made it a Batman Origins with the introduction of Wonder Woman and a few appearances from Superman, rather than focusing on the impending BvS battle. Affleck was doing fine work as an aging, bitter Bruce... should have just let him go with it full tilt first before making it a mash-up. So yeah, again, basically agree. Affleck was sublime in my opinion. Easily the best live-action Bruce/Batman we've had. He had the stature, the charisma, and the seething wellspring of darkness.
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Post by atn on Mar 6, 2017 4:47:24 GMT
kinda dumb but not unwatchable
snyder has done much better
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2017 4:52:44 GMT
They really should have made it a Batman Origins with the introduction of Wonder Woman and a few appearances from Superman, rather than focusing on the impending BvS battle. Affleck was doing fine work as an aging, bitter Bruce... should have just let him go with it full tilt first before making it a mash-up. So yeah, again, basically agree. Affleck was sublime in my opinion. Easily the best live-action Bruce/Batman we've had. He had the stature, the charisma, and the seething wellspring of darkness. I still prefer Keaton, but I was really digging Affleck's Bruce most (his Batman was good too, but his Bruce is better). Also, I noticed a gaff I made. I said Origins, when I meant reboot. We've seen it enough by now. Dead parents, super rich, blah blah...
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Post by stephen on Mar 6, 2017 4:53:59 GMT
Affleck was sublime in my opinion. Easily the best live-action Bruce/Batman we've had. He had the stature, the charisma, and the seething wellspring of darkness. I still prefer Keaton, but I was really digging Affleck's Bruce most (his Batman was good too, but his Bruce is better). Also, I noticed a gaff I made. I said Origins, when I meant reboot. We've seen it enough by now. Dead parents, super rich, blah blah... That fucking work-out regime Batfleck had was on-point. With Junkie XL's soundtrack, I could watch that for hours. Also, Jeremy Irons's Alfred is underrated.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2017 4:58:08 GMT
stephenIt really was such a pity that they had so little Alfred in the movie. Definitely needed quite a bit more. And a whole lot less Eisenberg. Can't believe I forgot to mention that trainwreck within a wreck.
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Post by stephen on Mar 6, 2017 5:01:49 GMT
I . . . actually didn't mind Eisenberg.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2017 5:05:31 GMT
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Post by stephen on Mar 6, 2017 5:07:41 GMT
Now I'm picturing Kurtwood Smith as Lex Luthor.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 6, 2017 5:09:43 GMT
Now I'm picturing Kurtwood Smith as Lex Luthor. WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE! Also, he's one of the reasons I'm thinking about checking out Patriot (the Amazon Spy-comedy series).
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Mar 6, 2017 12:28:32 GMT
I gave a like as I didn't hate it or anything. It was ok.
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Post by harlequinade on Mar 6, 2017 17:06:44 GMT
No. Normally I'd give DCEU credit for doing something new and trying to experiment unlike Marvel which throws the same movie at us every few months but they experiment and it just ends with such a mess. BvS is still coherent comparing to Suicide Squad and I loved Batfleck but it's still a mess. Snyder is a lovely man and occasionally makes a good movie but I feel like Nolan is like real life Joker a little bit - he recommended Snyder for MoS, then he bailed and now he is probably laughing somewhere Snyder is just not strong enough director and MoS is not strong enough of a movie to build universe around that
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Post by Nyx on Mar 6, 2017 19:27:57 GMT
I like the extended version, but NOT the theatrical version.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Mar 7, 2017 1:19:46 GMT
No, I thought it was a lot of wasted potential. There were scenes I liked, but I wasn't a fan. I especially didn't like how much Supes got sidelined in what was supposed to be his own film.
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Post by Film Socialism on Mar 8, 2017 0:33:48 GMT
yeah it's fantastic stuff, wish snyder was on board for the next one.
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