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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 22, 2021 1:56:20 GMT
The reviews for the film and Denzel's performance have been astonishing. It's actually quite mind-boggling how Denzel isn't the clear Best Actor frontrunner, because pound for pound, I think he's got the strongest reviews of all the contenders. Odd that critics groups have not been all over this movie and Denzel. Maybe they aren't keen on rewarding Shakespeare. It also has a 90 on MC right now after 23 reviews. On paper, this is one of the highest rated contenders for the Oscars. Not sure why it’s underperformed with critics awards. Right now they’re just nominating Denzel and Delbonnel as recognition for the film. Also interesting that this is one of the most highest rated (based on RT and MC) films Joel Coen has ever done in his long, illustrious career. Not a bad way to kick of your solo career without Ethan.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2021 2:04:28 GMT
The reviews for the film and Denzel's performance have been astonishing. It's actually quite mind-boggling how Denzel isn't the clear Best Actor frontrunner, because pound for pound, I think he's got the strongest reviews of all the contenders. Odd that critics groups have not been all over this movie and Denzel. Maybe they aren't keen on rewarding Shakespeare. It also has a 90 on MC right now after 23 reviews. On paper, this is one of the highest rated contenders for the Oscars. Not sure why it’s underperformed with critics awards. Right now they’re just nominating Denzel and Delbonnel as recognition for the film. Also interesting that this is one of the most highest rated (based on RT and MC) films Joel Coen has ever done in his long, illustrious career. Not a bad way to kick of your solo career without Ethan. So, The Tragedy Of Macbeth has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score and Metacritic score than The Power Of The Dog (and yes I know there are still more reviews to be added for Macbeth) , yet critics groups keep giving everything to that film and Cumberbatch (whose notices were great, but still a bit more mixed than Denzel's across the board raves). I don't expect scores to change that much for Macbeth as so many are in already. Usually I'm fine with the excuse that critics groups tends to reward performances and films they praise the most, so I'm not really getting this one. There is a weird blindspot this time around.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 22, 2021 2:14:10 GMT
It also has a 90 on MC right now after 23 reviews. On paper, this is one of the highest rated contenders for the Oscars. Not sure why it’s underperformed with critics awards. Right now they’re just nominating Denzel and Delbonnel as recognition for the film. Also interesting that this is one of the most highest rated (based on RT and MC) films Joel Coen has ever done in his long, illustrious career. Not a bad way to kick of your solo career without Ethan. So, The Tragedy Of Macbeth has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score and Metacritic score than The Power Of The Dog, yet critics groups keep giving everything to that film and Cumberbatch (whose notices were great, but still a bit more mixed than Denzel's across the board raves). I don't expect scores to change that much for Macbeth as so many are in already. Usually I'm fine with the excuse that critics groups tends to reward performances and films they praise the most, so I'm not really getting this one. There is a weird blindspot this time around. At the least Best Actor this year should be between Washington and Cumberbatch based on the strength of their films and performances. Problem is that the pundits decided early on they wanted to champion Will Smith for his overdue Oscar coronation way back in August before other contenders had their films released, and The Power of the Dog is the film the critics are getting behind and championing so it’s a weird race, especially when you throw Garfield in the mix. I said this earlier but I wouldn’t be surprised if The Tragedy of Macbeth overperforms on Oscar nomination morning like Phantom Thread when most expect just Best Actor and Best Cinematography nominations.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Dec 22, 2021 8:03:37 GMT
I don't doubt Denzel, the look is incredible and Macbeth is my favorite. So I just hope this whole thing works as an overall experience.
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 22, 2021 11:18:35 GMT
It also has a 90 on MC right now after 23 reviews. On paper, this is one of the highest rated contenders for the Oscars. Not sure why it’s underperformed with critics awards. Right now they’re just nominating Denzel and Delbonnel as recognition for the film. Also interesting that this is one of the most highest rated (based on RT and MC) films Joel Coen has ever done in his long, illustrious career. Not a bad way to kick of your solo career without Ethan. So, The Tragedy Of Macbeth has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score and Metacritic score than The Power Of The Dog (and yes I know there are still more reviews to be added for Macbeth) , yet critics groups keep giving everything to that film and Cumberbatch ( whose notices were great, but still a bit more mixed than Denzel's across the board raves). I don't expect scores to change that much for Macbeth as so many are in already. Usually I'm fine with the excuse that critics groups tends to reward performances and films they praise the most, so I'm not really getting this one. There is a weird blindspot this time around. I don't think this is exactly true. It's a bit tricky to determine who simply has the 'best reviews', but the best way I think we can gauge something like that is always the IndieWire Critics Poll, almost 200 critics from around the world simply voting for their faves. In that poll, Cumberbatch came 1st, whilst Denzel isn't even in the Top 10. I'm aware that it is only one metric, but I really do think it's the best one we have. I'm not sure there actually is this massive disconnect that you're trying to look for, people just genuinely like Benedict's performance better.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 22, 2021 11:54:58 GMT
So, The Tragedy Of Macbeth has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score and Metacritic score than The Power Of The Dog (and yes I know there are still more reviews to be added for Macbeth) , yet critics groups keep giving everything to that film and Cumberbatch (whose notices were great, but still a bit more mixed than Denzel's across the board raves). I don't expect scores to change that much for Macbeth as so many are in already. Usually I'm fine with the excuse that critics groups tends to reward performances and films they praise the most, so I'm not really getting this one. There is a weird blindspot this time around. I don't think this is exactly true. It's a bit tricky to determine who simply has the 'best reviews', but the best way I think we can gauge something like that is always the IndieWire Critics Poll, almost 200 critics from around the world simply voting for their faves. In that poll, Cumberbatch came 1st, whilst Denzel isn't even in the Top 10.
I'm aware that it is only one metric, but I really do think it's the best one we have. I'm not sure there actually is this massive disconnect that you're trying to look for, people just genuinely like Benedict's performance better.Bingo ^ .................This is actually the Shakespeare bias too - but not because it is Shakespeare alone actually - but because of what it represents - critics always want to see something they haven't seen before and no critic has seen Cumby, Smith, Garfield etc in these roles on film - they DEFINE it - but plenty of people have seen Macbeth on stage or on film plenty of times ......... now they haven't seen Denzel Washington play him - and he's nodworthy here on merit imo - but he gives a VERY Denzel Washington performance........he doesn't transform ............which is fine .......he doesn't have to ........but he'd have a hard time competing with Cage actually or Simon Rex for critics who are creating roles that are fresh in peoples minds by definition...... you knew how Denzel would play this part before he played this part - that always puts you at a disadvantage with critics .........always. That's why he's not in the top 10 ........ it's a movie star turn by a movie star.........people are conflating many things that don't matter here atm - RT, Metacritic, fanboy wishful thinking atm, and what critics say vs. what critics really feel: it's a movie and performance that encourages great respect but not necessarily great passion .........maybe it will with actors, we'll see ........you never know......... actors may see something else - but that's what critics see right now....... Not sure why this is so hard for people to "get"........
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2021 13:28:04 GMT
So, The Tragedy Of Macbeth has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score and Metacritic score than The Power Of The Dog (and yes I know there are still more reviews to be added for Macbeth) , yet critics groups keep giving everything to that film and Cumberbatch ( whose notices were great, but still a bit more mixed than Denzel's across the board raves). I don't expect scores to change that much for Macbeth as so many are in already. Usually I'm fine with the excuse that critics groups tends to reward performances and films they praise the most, so I'm not really getting this one. There is a weird blindspot this time around. I don't think this is exactly true. It's a bit tricky to determine who simply has the 'best reviews', but the best way I think we can gauge something like that is always the IndieWire Critics Poll, almost 200 critics from around the world simply voting for their faves. In that poll, Cumberbatch came 1st, whilst Denzel isn't even in the Top 10. I'm aware that it is only one metric, but I really do think it's the best one we have. I'm not sure there actually is this massive disconnect that you're trying to look for, people just genuinely like Benedict's performance better. The IndieWire Poll proved just as useless in 2020. Anthony Hopkins in The Father got breathless, all-time great notices, then when it came to the performance poll, he didn't make the top 10, over people who clearly got inferior reviews to him, like Gary Oldman in Mank. So yeah, it is only one metric and proved just as unreliable last season, so I wouldn't exactly swear by it. Denzel 's notices are beyond incredible. That is obvious to anyone with eyes .It's exactly the same disconnect as Hopkins last year if we are talking the IndieWire Poll. Denzel, like Hopkins, just based on the quality of their reviews should have been easy top 3 in the polls for their respective years, not outside the top 10. Hopefully the trajectory of Hopkins late in his season is something that can also benefit Washington
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Post by mhynson27 on Dec 22, 2021 13:37:30 GMT
I don't think this is exactly true. It's a bit tricky to determine who simply has the 'best reviews', but the best way I think we can gauge something like that is always the IndieWire Critics Poll, almost 200 critics from around the world simply voting for their faves. In that poll, Cumberbatch came 1st, whilst Denzel isn't even in the Top 10. I'm aware that it is only one metric, but I really do think it's the best one we have. I'm not sure there actually is this massive disconnect that you're trying to look for, people just genuinely like Benedict's performance better. The IndieWire Poll proved just as useless in 2020. Anthony Hopkins in The Father got breathless, all-time great notices, then when it came to the performance poll, he didn't make the top 10, over people who clearly got inferior reviews to him, like Gary Oldman in Mank. So yeah, it is only one metric and proved just as unreliable one last season. Denzel 's notices are beyond incredible. It's exactly the same disconnect as Hopkins last year if we are talking the IndieWire Poll. Denzel, like Hopkins, just based on the quality of their reviews should have been easy top 3 in the polls for their respective years, not outside the top 10. Hopefully the trajectory of Hopkins late in his season is something that can also benefit Washington Hopkins not making it is interesting. I'm trying to remember the timeline, and at what point were SPC finally actually letting people see the film, with the late af screeners and what not. Regardless, I still feel like I've seen more raves for Benedict, and the critics awards seemingly back that up. Washington is obviously beyond safe for the nom, but I still think he's in like 4th tbh.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 22, 2021 15:53:33 GMT
I struggle to comprehend how anyone could get more impressive raves than Washington has recieved (with hardly any pans or claims of being miscast either, like Benedict), but to each their own. Just based on my reading of the written reviews of all the major contenders, Washington's read stronger than everyone 's, including Cumberbatch. That it hasn't translated into critics groups wins is neither here nor there. They often go in certain directions for different reasons (ie Laura Dern in Marriage Story, whose written notices did not suggest she'd get such a comprehensive sweep of critics awards).
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Post by quetee on Dec 22, 2021 15:54:56 GMT
I'm going to see this on Monday.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 22, 2021 17:23:55 GMT
therealcomicman117 do you know how many screens this will open on Christmas Day? I know its in limited release.
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Post by quetee on Dec 22, 2021 17:43:07 GMT
I struggle to comprehend how anyone could get more impressive raves than Washington has recieved (with hardly any pans or claims of being miscast either, like Benedict), but to each their own. Just based on my reading of the written reviews of all the major contenders, Washington's read stronger than everyone 's, including Cumberbatch. That it hasn't translated into critics groups wins is neither here nor there. They often go in certain directions for different reasons (ie Laura Dern in Marriage Story, whose written notices did not suggest she'd get such a comprehensive sweep of critics awards). the critics just bandwagoned TPOTD. GP didnt warm to it though. Who knows how the decide any of this stuff.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 22, 2021 18:46:36 GMT
therealcomicman117 do you know how many screens this will open on Christmas Day? I know its in limited release. I don't know yet. Looking it up, there doesn't appear to be a specific count, but if I had to guess, maybe 60 screens?
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 22, 2021 20:53:37 GMT
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 22, 2021 22:11:28 GMT
Seems to me a lot of reviews are saying Denzel is giving the definitive performance of Macbeth on film. Definitely passion for him and the film based on the reviews if not the critics awards themselves.
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Post by quetee on Dec 22, 2021 22:48:00 GMT
Seems to me a lot of reviews are saying Denzel is giving the definitive performance of Macbeth on film. Definitely passion for him and the film based on the reviews if not the critics awards themselves. as long as his peers are on board, who cares about the critic awards. Bradley scored a nod without critic support that one year.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 23, 2021 19:38:16 GMT
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 24, 2021 23:20:58 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 25, 2021 13:25:08 GMT
therealcomicman117 do you know how many screens this will open on Christmas Day? I know its in limited release. I don't know yet. Looking it up, there doesn't appear to be a specific count, but if I had to guess, maybe 60 screens? From Deadline: Venturing out for the holidays, we have Joel Coen’s acclaimed The Tragedy of Macbeth in black and white from A24 and Apple opening Saturday at 30 theaters in North America, with a limited expansion in January to 125-200 screens. It hits Apple TV+ on Jan. 14.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 25, 2021 14:52:08 GMT
I don't know yet. Looking it up, there doesn't appear to be a specific count, but if I had to guess, maybe 60 screens? From Deadline: Venturing out for the holidays, we have Joel Coen’s acclaimed The Tragedy of Macbeth in black and white from A24 and Apple opening Saturday at 30 theaters in North America, with a limited expansion in January to 125-200 screens. It hits Apple TV+ on Jan. 14.
Looks like I wasn't too far off. It's just in half of the theaters I was expecting it to be in. Honestly given how many movies have flopped recently in wide-release, doing a roll-out might honestly be the smart thing to do.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 25, 2021 20:37:44 GMT
Actors and AMPAS members Ellen Barkin and Rosanna Arquette seem in agreement that The Tragedy Of Macbeth is the best film they've seen all year.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Dec 26, 2021 18:34:39 GMT
The Bronx girl seems to have really felt in love with that film.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Dec 26, 2021 18:36:06 GMT
Haha we saw the tweet almost at the same time.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 26, 2021 18:37:15 GMT
Haha we saw the tweet almost at the same time. I deleted mine so yours could stay up!
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Post by sirchuck23 on Dec 26, 2021 19:44:56 GMT
The Bronx girl seems to have really felt in love with that film.
It also helps that she’s a big fan of Denzel
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