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Post by Viced on Feb 18, 2019 20:30:54 GMT
Thoughts? I added a poll for the hell of it though I'd prefer some actual discussion... Apparently Stewart thought he was miscast in Rope, and Hitchcock thought he was miscast in Vertigo... I think he's kiiiiiiiind of miscast in both of those (along with Rear Window to a lesser extent) but he still pulls it off and contributes quite a bit of the greatness to both Rear Window and Vertigo. The Man Who Knew Too Much I'd say he's perfect in, and elevates the movie. Can you imagine any hypothetical re-castings? Like Bob Mitchum in Rear Window or Krazy Kirk Douglas in Vertigo? How about we get really crazy and put Edward G. Robinson in Rope? disclaimer: I'm a big JS fan and this thread isn't intended to demean the legend.
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Post by stephen on Feb 18, 2019 20:58:16 GMT
I think Vertigo is the best film and features his best performance. It's not really what one expects of Jimbo, playing that sort of character, but he makes it work so marvelously and shows that if directors and producers had simply had the balls to cast him as an out-and-out villain a la Leone did with Fonda, it would've been truly special. I think Stewart could be capable of much more than he was allowed to showcase, simply because it was at a time when actors/stars rarely cared about "range" or trying to step out of their comfort zone, instead just wanting to make more movies to sell their image.
In terms of recasting them:
Rope: I think the role could do with someone who has a bit more of a patrician bent to it. Stewart's folksy sensibility isn't all that bad, but I think someone like Fredric March would've knocked it out of the park.
Rear Window: Mitchum would've done well here, but I'm gonna throw Dana Andrews's name out in the ring here.
The Man Who Knew Too Much: Yeah, this is where a family-friendly image like Stewart's would've helped. I could maybe see Gary Cooper here, even if I think he was a little too long in the tooth by then.
Vertigo: He was dead by then, but Bogie would've been real fun to see here.
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Post by jimmalone on Feb 18, 2019 21:04:56 GMT
The best film of this bunch is clearly Rear Window. As for performances it's closer. I like him a lot in all of those movies (probably a little less in Rope than the others), but nothing stands out to me as a clearly great performance. I'll give him the edge for Rear Window as his best work of those four movies as well. He's a bit different here in terms of that is a much more unusual role with him being in the wheelchair all the time. While I don't regard Vertigo that highly as a whole movie, this one is his second best performance probably, the one which goes a bit deeper emotionally, with The Man Who Knew Too Much being a more "routine" performance.
Forgot the recasting, let's have some fun.
Rope - how about a wise and dignified Gregory Peck?
Rear Window - Yeah, Mitchum surely would be fine as well. But I'm actually tempted to be totally different here and pick Marlon Brando. Just don't know if he wouldn't try to be too special. Sadly Paul Newman hadn't arrived on the scene by then and would have been too young. Would have been a great role for him.
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Not really sure here. Peck strikes me again as an option, but let's give it Jimmy's old friend Henry Fonda.
Vertigo - maybe William Holden.
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 18, 2019 21:20:01 GMT
Vertigo is the best film and his best performance. It's my favorite Hitch, and one of my all-time favorites, and Stewart's performance is an all-time favorite of mine (though Kim Novak is even better!) Stewart is probably my favorite actor of the era (though much of it still underseen for me so don't challenge me on that), so I find him incredibly compelling and magnetic in everything he did. He has such a charming, suave screen presence like no other, but then there's performances like Vertigo which show that he's not afraid to go to some dark places to salvage a complicated character. The fact that he's generally so naturally lovable makes the dangerous, creepy obsession that he descends into in the film all the more hard-hitting. I've always been baffled that Al thought he was miscast in that role, because I couldn't imagine anyone else in it. Anyway, having not seen The Man Who Knew Too Much, I'd rank his performances: Vertigo > Rear Window > Rope, and the films: Vertigo > Rope > Rear Window. But I don't have a bad thing to say about any of it. This is easily one of my favorite director/actor collaborations in history
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 18, 2019 21:47:35 GMT
The best movie and performance is Vertigo because it is drawn in a way that links the actor to character - so it's actor, character, thematically connected. I think if anyone else was to play that part you have to keep them in a weird way more under the radar - almost dull - because the case arouses a kind of desperation in him that's a shock. Kirk Douglas is to "on" to me to work in Vertigo but maybe, I'd go more like Holden or Fonda though.
Mitchum would fit for Rear Window and so would stephen's pick of Dana Andrews.
I'm not much for Rope or The Man Who Knew Too Much - I like them but consider them minor Hitch.
Stewart is fascinating to me in something like Anatomy Of A Murder where you see him interact with Actors Studio or more modern types - Scott and Gazzara and Remick and he plays off of all them beautifully and they are quite diverse in what they are giving him to work with. It's a real interesting movie to watch just for the acting.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 18, 2019 22:14:33 GMT
Rope is definitely my favorite performance of these. Rope and Vertigo are pretty much tied for me but I voted Vertigo.
For recasting I would go William Holden in Vertigo and Orson Welles or Olivier in Rope. IDK on the others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 23:16:41 GMT
Rear Window for film and performance.
William Holden for Vertigo is an excellent recast; Holden and Novak sizzled in Picnic.
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Post by idioticbunny on Feb 20, 2019 5:58:41 GMT
Stewart is probably my favorite actor of all-time, so it's hard to really say I felt he was miscast in any of these. Funny that Hitchcock felt he was miscast in Vertigo as I always felt he was perfect for it - maybe because it was such a personal film for Hitchcock and Stewart is the vulnerable side of Hitchcock (whereas Cary Grant was Hitchcock's idea of who he wishes he could be).
Vertigo is my choice for best film (top five of all-time) and better Stewart performance, but I think he's great in all of them.
As for recasting, I think Stephen hits the head on just about all of them.
Rope - The role needed someone with a little more stern yet cool demeanor. March is a great option, but I think I love the idea of Gregory Peck for this.
Rear Window - I think Stewart is perfectly cast here, but Dana Andrews would have been a damn good ringer. Maybe Ray Milland.
The Man Who Knew Too Much - Honestly might be my least favorite Stewart performance, but could be because I really am not big on the film either (vastly prefer the original). Stewart is solid in it either way, but I like the idea of Spencer Tracy or Henry Fonda.
Vertigo - This is tough because I feel Stewart has the perfect blend of vulnerable, humorous, stoic, romantic, and just a little nuts to pull it off. I agree that Bogie might have been an interesting choice, but obviously didn't live long enough. Pretty much down to William Holden as everyone suggested, but I still feel he's a bit too "stable" for this kind of character. He doesn't have those eyes that make you feel he's unpredictable. Henry Fonda could work again, but really not sure. I think Paul Newman in about ten years might have been a decent enough choice, but to me Stewart is about the only choice here.
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Post by speeders on Feb 26, 2019 14:55:34 GMT
Rear Window for both.
Could see Cooper or Holden in Vertigo, felt Stewart and especially Novak felt a tad miscast.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 27, 2019 6:15:47 GMT
Only seen Rear Window and Vertigo.
Rear Window is the better movie, but Stewart’s performance is better in Vertigo.
Really need to dig deeper into Stewart’s filmography. I’ve loved what I’ve seen and the man could potentially go down as one of my Top 5, maybe even 3 fav actors.
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Post by idioticbunny on Mar 9, 2019 5:32:34 GMT
Really need to dig deeper into Stewart’s filmography. I’ve loved what I’ve seen and the man could potentially go down as one of my Top 5, maybe even 3 fav actors. Oh yes, yes please do. By doing my whole film journey thing (similar to you), I've had a chance to seek out more of his work and because of it he's now officially my favorite actor. I'd say if you enjoy his work based on what you've seen, there's a good chance he could rank highly as you say. Not sure what you've seen, so a lot of these might be ones you've already seen, but highly recommend checking out Harvey, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Philadelphia Story, Rope, and It's a Wonderful Life. That's just to name a few. Really if you see his name listed, give it a shot.
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 9, 2019 5:34:15 GMT
Really need to dig deeper into Stewart’s filmography. I’ve loved what I’ve seen and the man could potentially go down as one of my Top 5, maybe even 3 fav actors. Oh yes, yes please do. By doing my whole film journey thing (similar to you), I've had a chance to seek out more of his work and because of it he's now officially my favorite actor. I'd say if you enjoy his work based on what you've seen, there's a good chance he could rank highly as you say. Not sure what you've seen, so a lot of these might be ones you've already seen, but highly recommend checking out Harvey, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, The Philadelphia Story, Rope, and It's a Wonderful Life. That's just to name a few. Really if you see his name listed, give it a shot. I can def see him ranking extremely highly in the future based solely on what I've seen so far.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 17:13:34 GMT
Vertigo wipe the floor the rest.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 14, 2019 17:04:00 GMT
I started typing a very long post about Stewart and how much I love his work, when my computer crashed, so I'll try to rewrite it in bullet points:
-I've watched a lot of his work (but not most of it) and I loved him in Beautiful Life and Harvey. I never thought he was miscast in Rear Window. He was excellent.
-On the other hand, maybe somebody else could have done better in Vertigo.
-I rank Rear Window very highly in Hitch's filmography and in movie history in general. So I believe Window is the best film of the list. As for Stewart's performances, I also choose RW. I really liked him in TMWKTM but I prefer him in RW.
-I'm not very good in the "recast" game but I agree that maybe Mitchum or Cooper or Grant could have done the same good job (or even better), especially in Vertigo.
-I (re)watched Vertigo very recently (two or three days ago) and I posted here my opinion: I enjoy it every time I watch it but to me is not a masterpiece. Could have been one of the greatest films ever but failed because of some minor details. One of them was Stewart. He was really good in everything I've seen him but in this he was miscast. (So was Novak I think)
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Post by TerryMontana on May 14, 2019 17:13:13 GMT
I forgot to rewrite this: It's impressive (to me at least) that in most of his iconic films, Stewart is aces but his female co-stars were even better!!!!
Vera Miles in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Grace Kelly in Rear Window, Josephine Hull in Harvey, Doris Day in The Man Who Knew Too Much, Donna Reed in a Wonderful Life...
Maybe when I first saw these films, I took Stewart for granted and was amazed by his co-stars.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 17:32:45 GMT
terrymontana: Thanks for thoughs. I wonder who would you think about movie Bell Book and Candle (1958) which was reunion of Stewart and Novak in same year they did Vertigo. I suspect as they worked back to back on these projects as good friends.
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Post by TerryMontana on May 14, 2019 19:33:16 GMT
terrymontana: Thanks for thoughs. I wonder who would you think about movie Bell Book and Candle (1958) which was reunion of Stewart and Novak in same year they did Vertigo. I suspect as they worked back to back on these projects as good friends. Didn't like Bell Book and Candle. They filmed this right after Vertigo but they didn't do it because they were friends or anything. There was a clause in the contract Paramount signed with Columbia to let Novak play in Vertigo. In order for Columbia to borrow her to Paramount for the movie, Stewart (owned by Paramount) had to make BB&C right after, along with Novak.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 14, 2019 0:41:46 GMT
I put Vertigo for performance and Rear Window for film.
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