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Post by agent69 on Mar 6, 2019 9:37:09 GMT
After Dunkirk I'm back in his corner. It was his best work since Memento.
It's also exciting to get a big tent-pole movie (he usually goes big) that is original, non superhero, and not an episode in a "cinematic universe" CGI soap opera.
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 6, 2019 10:49:21 GMT
The one complaint I saw recently which is just absolutely idiotic is that Dunkirk should have a main female character. I'm like you do know your basic history right???
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Post by stabcaesar on Mar 6, 2019 14:08:18 GMT
His dialogue has never been more than functional and often comes off as wooden, so the thought of him writing flirtatious or sexually-tense dialogue makes me queasy. He can't write a romantic story. He can't and he shouldn't try. Yep. The primary reason why most of his movies are mediocre af or just pure trash.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 6, 2019 19:58:42 GMT
i don't care what it is as long as he's not writing it People complained about his reliance on exposition and he countered that with Dunkirk. Now he will do the same with Romance. He is on the path of proving his critics wrong. Don't get me started on Dunkirk's afterthought of the screenplay, which as far as I'm concerned all but proved that Nolan knew exactly what kind of big flashy technicalmovie he wanted to make before having to plug human characters into it as emotional conduits or whatever. It was the film's worst aspect. The humans aren't even secondary or tertiary. There are three overlapping narratives but far more attention is paid to the fact that they overlap than to the narratives themselves. Take away the gimmicky structure and the score and sound design and sweeping cinematography and whatever other surface reasons that made people fall in love with this thing and you'd have a really obviously bland war film. There's no foundation here because the screenplay was garbage. Less exposition but still really contrived/wooden conflicts and characterizations. What is written is not good and not believable. I get that Nolan wanted to make an immersive experience about the battle itself from three perspectives and that the characters themselves aren't the primary focus. But I also know that the bad writing completely took me out of that experience. The scenes on the boat with Cillian Murphy and the badly-edited scene of the group hiding in that transport carrier where we get that hollow bit of tension where one of them might be French--these scene were going through the motions of tension but more problematic is that Nolan decided that the precise history wasn't exciting enough so he had to use creative license to create scenes that only served to make his film feel smaller. Nolan's writing once again uncerdut his intentions, because unlike other event-driven films I've seen (Greengrass comes to mind) the lazy writing in Dunkirk never let me forget for a second that I was watching a movie, and not a well-written or complex one. United 93 was a thousand times more emotionally hard-hitting and it didn't have professional actors, a plot that deviated from strict adherence to fact, or any kind of contrived conflicts or tension. That's how you do an immersive event movie. Dunkirk goes halfway to having characters by giving them motivations and conflict or whatever but he doesn't go far enough, which makes the characters themselves feel insignificant while also laying bare the contrivancy of their scenes. He shouldn't have even tried writing human beings in this context if he was going to fail so miserably at making them interesting, distinct or complex and that's why despite the screenplay's weak pretensions, the main characters of Dunkirk were Hans Zimmer, Hoyte van Hoytema and Nolan himself. The actors were just props.
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Post by jakesully on Mar 7, 2019 4:49:36 GMT
IN NOLAN I TRUST
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Post by Pavan on Mar 7, 2019 7:09:56 GMT
People complained about his reliance on exposition and he countered that with Dunkirk. Now he will do the same with Romance. He is on the path of proving his critics wrong. Don't get me started on Dunkirk's afterthought of the screenplay, which as far as I'm concerned all but proved that Nolan knew exactly what kind of big flashy technicalmovie he wanted to make before having to plug human characters into it as emotional conduits or whatever. It was the film's worst aspect. The humans aren't even secondary or tertiary. There are three overlapping narratives but far more attention is paid to the fact that they overlap than to the narratives themselves. Take away the gimmicky structure and the score and sound design and sweeping cinematography and whatever other surface reasons that made people fall in love with this thing and you'd have a really obviously bland war film. There's no foundation here because the screenplay was garbage. Less exposition but still really contrived/wooden conflicts and characterizations. What is written is not good and not believable. I get that Nolan wanted to make an immersive experience about the battle itself from three perspectives and that the characters themselves aren't the primary focus. But I also know that the bad writing completely took me out of that experience. The scenes on the boat with Cillian Murphy and the badly-edited scene of the group hiding in that transport carrier where we get that hollow bit of tension where one of them might be French--these scene were going through the motions of tension but more problematic is that Nolan decided that the precise history wasn't exciting enough so he had to use creative license to create scenes that only served to make his film feel smaller. Nolan's writing once again uncerdut his intentions, because unlike other event-driven films I've seen (Greengrass comes to mind) the lazy writing in Dunkirk never let me forget for a second that I was watching a movie, and not a well-written or complex one. United 93 was a thousand times more emotionally hard-hitting and it didn't have professional actors, a plot that deviated from strict adherence to fact, or any kind of contrived conflicts or tension. That's how you do an immersive event movie. Dunkirk goes halfway to having characters by giving them motivations and conflict or whatever but he doesn't go far enough, which makes the characters themselves feel insignificant while also laying bare the contrivancy of their scenes. He shouldn't have even tried writing human beings in this context if he was going to fail so miserably at making them interesting, distinct or complex and that's why despite the screenplay's weak pretensions, the main characters of Dunkirk were Hans Zimmer, Hoyte van Hoytema and Nolan himself. The actors were just props. I read somewhere that Nolan wanted to film Dunkirk without a script at first but eventually came to finish a screenplay. It might not the film's biggest strengths but it is far from what you said. I understand some viewers were taken aback by the lack of emotional quotient in the film which is why I think Dunkirk is not a universally liked film like other Nolan films even though it got high critical acclaim. His Batman films are very well written in my opinion and of course his initial films had great writing but when it comes to Inception and Interstellar, concept based films that depended on the plot rather than the characters. I don't think such films can be made without some necessary exposition and without it they would end as art films with very limited appeal but Nolan wants his films to have a universal appeal which is why i think he kinda explains some plot points through certain characters. I think Interstellar is one of the most emotionally driven sci-fi films in recent times even with the script's reliance on exposition and a couple of bland characters. I'd like to see him go back to Memento days and write something of that sort. Till then I'm not gonna heavily criticize his writing. I mean he is not Billy Wilder but he is far from 'trash' like some people mentioned in this thread.
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Post by eyebrowmorroco on Mar 8, 2019 9:05:30 GMT
Rebecca Pidgeon & Peter Greene
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Mar 19, 2019 20:21:29 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Mar 19, 2019 20:27:25 GMT
OH HELL YES.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Mar 19, 2019 20:29:06 GMT
You're too quick
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Post by bob-coppola on Mar 19, 2019 20:40:55 GMT
What’s next, he won’t have a dead wife?
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Post by stephen on Mar 19, 2019 20:48:25 GMT
This is a huge boost for Washington. Already he's got Spike Lee and now Nolan under his belt? Neat.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 19, 2019 21:06:25 GMT
Well he didn't do much at all for me in Blackkklansman but he's fine - I don't dislike him or anything and I'm sure he's got some sides to show me that I haven't seen.............. but my interest in Chris Nolan dies a little every time I see phrases like "event" film.
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Post by TerryMontana on Mar 19, 2019 21:29:20 GMT
What’s next, he won’t have a dead wife?
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 19, 2019 21:29:34 GMT
Wow! Happy for JDW..he might become an A-lister faster than I thought..working with Spike Lee as the lead in his most successful film in years and now Nolan in a summer release. Denzel and him might be the new Kirk & Michael Douglas duo.
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Post by morton on Mar 19, 2019 21:45:57 GMT
Wow! Happy for JDW..he might become an A-lister faster than I thought..working with Spike Lee as the lead in his most successful film in years and now Nolan in a summer release. Denzel and him might be the new Kirk & Michael Douglas duo. Yes, I'm really amazed, but happy for JDW. I saw all these guesses for people who Nolan had already worked with and other guesses for up and coming actors, but I don't think any black actors were mentioned except I think Michael B. Jordan and Daniel Kaluuya, certainly no guesses for JDW. So this is really, really huge for him. While I don't think he was nomination worthy for BlacKkKlansman, in that lineup, I felt he wouldn't have been the worst, so I would have been okay with it. I felt a little bad that he missed because I wasn't sure how in demand he might be, but this seems like a really great sign.
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Post by sirchuck23 on Mar 19, 2019 22:02:13 GMT
Wow! Happy for JDW..he might become an A-lister faster than I thought..working with Spike Lee as the lead in his most successful film in years and now Nolan in a summer release. Denzel and him might be the new Kirk & Michael Douglas duo. Yes, I'm really amazed, but happy for JDW. I saw all these guesses for people who Nolan had already worked with and other guesses for up and coming actors, but I don't think any black actors were mentioned except I think Michael B. Jordan and Daniel Kaluuya, certainly no guesses for JDW. So this is really, really huge for him. While I don't think he was nomination worthy for BlacKkKlansman, in that lineup, I felt he wouldn't have been the worst, so I would have been okay with it. I felt a little bad that he missed because I wasn't sure how in demand he might be, but this seems like a really great sign. Nolan was at the Cannes premiere of BlackKklansman and was part of the standing ovation with the audience, so he probably got a first hand look at JDW as a leading man and thought to himself he could be a future star. Also his acting lineage doesn’t hurt either..lol.
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Post by Lubezki on Mar 19, 2019 22:13:09 GMT
Absolutely inspired casting.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Mar 19, 2019 22:28:15 GMT
*shrugs*
We don't know what the movie's about, the character he's playing... so... okay, I guess.
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 19, 2019 22:38:43 GMT
I hope it's not actually the primary role of the film, or this is a missed opportunity by Nolan, given JDW's more serviceable than great work so far. If it's like JGL in Inception or something, then fine.
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Post by quetee on Mar 19, 2019 23:01:29 GMT
Omg, no joke I was thinking when he was going to have black lead and I thought of him.
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Post by countjohn on Mar 20, 2019 0:05:34 GMT
I was really liking the idea of him doing a glossy romantic thriller like North by Northwest or From Russia With Love. Especially since he's probably not going to get to do a Bond film. But I guess that's old news now.
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Post by Pavan on Mar 20, 2019 4:53:30 GMT
An action blockbuster starring John David Washington? Would've been awesome if it was Denzel a few years ago but i'm not too sure JDW has the charisma as his father. We'll see.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 20, 2019 5:12:48 GMT
Wow! Happy for JDW..he might become an A-lister faster than I thought..working with Spike Lee as the lead in his most successful film in years and now Nolan in a summer release. Denzel and him might be the new Kirk & Michael Douglas duo. Of all the wannabe celebrity offspring in recent years, JDW is the only one that appears to have the talent and work ethic to get to the A-list. He hasn't just come out of nowhere. He's done like 4-5 seasons of Ballers as an apprenticeship. So yeah, he could well reach the equivalent heights of Michael Douglas, as far as acting dynasties go. Not saying he's as talented as Michael though. That remains to be proven. But Blackkklansman was an auspicious start as a leading man. I'm shocked at this casting (like some others) because I never expected to see Nolan cast a black lead. He seems like one of those directors who self-identify with his leading men (like Woody Allen) and I didn't see him neccesarily identifying with a protagonist who wasn't a white guy. I'm assuming JDW is the lead, and not the leads best friend. I think the self-created economic barrier for black casts and leads (who are not JDW's father or Will Smith) has been shattered with the global success of things like Black Panther and Get Out. I don't think this casting would have happened without these recent tangible successes. Ridley Scott's excuse of casting mostly white people for Exodus would not fly today. The success of filmmakers like Jordan Peele and Ryan Coogler telling stories with black casts and leads that travel around the world is changing the game somewhat. It'll be interesting to see if any other directors known for only using white leads change up their flow because Nolan has done it. It'd be weird to see people like Alexander Payne suddenly discover non-white leads exist Even noted liberals like George Clooney tend to only cast non-white people in side or support parts. Bet Clooney is prepping his remake of The Color Purple as we speak. Hop on that bandwagon George!
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Post by mhynson27 on Mar 20, 2019 5:14:08 GMT
Has Nolan ever really steered us wrong with casting before?
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