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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 4:55:15 GMT
Meditative, lush, and surreal - it's less a traditional biopic and more a series of stunning imagery, anchored by a searing central performance from Willem Dafoe.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 2, 2018 11:27:27 GMT
Haven't seen it yet but it is amazing how many films about Van Gogh either biopics or just that explore his Art is odd ways (his letters or Loving Vincent) there are and how it never seems old - Vincent & Theo is my favorite film on any artist of any kind (ie that extends to music or dance or theater or film etc) - I consider it a masterpiece (don't use that word a lot) and yet I also very much like Pialat's Van Gogh film too - and there's more - so you think I'd be like "yawn" but not at all really, rather the opposite.
Can't wait......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 16:48:43 GMT
pacinoyes - It's definitely worth seeing at the cinema. The fevered camerawork and intense color palette really lend themselves to the large screen format. Oscar Isaac is also very intriguing as Gauguin, though his role isn't a very big one. Rupert Friend, Niels Arestrup, Mads Mikkelsen, Mathieu Amalric, and Emmanuelle Seigner all delight in even smaller roles. And Huppert's daughter (Lolita Chammah) is here, too!!! But really, this is Dafoe's show, and he's giving one of the most interesting performances of his career - full of childlike wonder and passionate intensity. I'm hoping LAFCA and NSFC give his Oscar campaign a boost (his work here seems like something both of these critics groups would go for). Even without the Volpi Cup, I have no doubt he'd get plenty of #1 votes on the preferential balloting system. There's bound to be residual goodwill from last year, too - we all know he should have won for The Florida Project, right?
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 4, 2018 17:46:42 GMT
Also very hyped about this. Everything about it sounds great. Especially with an 87 year old Jean-Claude Carrière scripting and starring Dafoe in a part that looks like he was destined to play it.
Like Isaac, but I don't know, of what I've seen of him in this, trailer and so, he kinda looks ...funny. Don't know what it is, just rubs me the wrong way.
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 4, 2018 18:02:17 GMT
Haven't seen the film yet but bit buffled that despite the acclaim (78 MC), campaign, biopic factor, showy role, just losing an Oscar, winning a Volpi Cup and having hell of a year with Berlin & Gotham tributes, "Vox Lux", and "Aquaman" - Dafoe seems to kinda lose the buzz? He didn't get any nomination so far, except for the Satellites. I'm not sure if he'll win another critics award as he (deservedly) swept all of them last season. Hopefully Golden Globes will not ignore it and enough of SAG members will check it out.
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Post by Mattsby on Dec 4, 2018 18:13:29 GMT
Also very hyped about this. Everything about it sounds great. Especially with an 87 year old Jean-Claude Carrière scripting and starring Dafoe in a part that looks like he was destined to play it. Forgot he cowrote this, he's legendary. Some of the directors he's worked with (I mean!!)... Andrzej Wajda, Michael Haneke, Milos Forman, Luis Buñuel, Louis Malle, Volker Schlöndorff, Nagisa Ôshima, Godard….
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 4, 2018 19:02:03 GMT
He's just great. And like a living fossil! 😄 One of the last of his kind, with the connection to those kings of european cinema, as you've mentioned.
Recently read an interview with him in which he talked about his relationship with Bunuel and how Bunuel used to lay on the floor of his bedroom and would play dead. The first time Carrière was shocked, the second time he told Bunuel he knew he was just kidding, with Bunuel replying: "Oh, I forgot I was already dead for you." 😂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2018 0:18:23 GMT
Haven't seen the film yet but bit buffled that despite the acclaim (78 MC), campaign, biopic factor, showy role, just losing an Oscar, winning a Volpi Cup and having hell of a year with Berlin & Gotham tributes, "Vox Lux", and "Aquaman" - Dafoe seems to kinda lose the buzz? He didn't get any nomination so far, except for the Satellites. I'm not sure if he'll win another critics award as he (deservedly) swept all of them last season. Hopefully Golden Globes will not ignore it and enough of SAG members will check it out. I can't see him getting nominated from those awards bodies... If he is Oscar-nominated, it'll be a Rampling in 45 Years-type passion nomination.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 14:14:50 GMT
thomasjerome - Color me surprised! Congratulations to Dafoe on his Golden Globe nomination!
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Post by thomasjerome on Dec 6, 2018 14:16:56 GMT
thomasjerome - Color me surprised! Congratulations to Dafoe on his Golden Globe nomination! I had my doubts as well. Hopefully SAG will follow.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Dec 9, 2018 20:35:57 GMT
Congrats to Dafoe, one of todays finest working actors!
Hopefully it leads to more awards validation, so that maybe more people will seek out his overall body of work.
What an impressive career he has had, from arthouse to blockbusters and back, almost always leaving behind a lasting impression. What I also adore about him is his adventurousness, which is a trait one doesn't see often enough. I know, as (mostly) a character actor and not exactly a classic leading man, he had the luxury to take chances. And as much as I love him, DDL is a prime example of someone who I wished, at least here and there, had taken Dafoe as a role model of how to stretch yourself and do all kinds of different things. When talking about the great actors of his generation, Dafoe isn't mentioned enough.
He is the kind of actor who, in a just world, is destined for an Oscar somewhere down the road, even one that would be seen as more of a career achievement award.
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Post by cheesecake on Dec 9, 2018 23:18:43 GMT
I really dug the trailer but have heard the camera work is quite nauseating. Deciding if I should see it on the big screen or not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 17:46:58 GMT
I really dug the trailer but have heard the camera work is quite nauseating. Deciding if I should see it on the big screen or not. I found it fascinating - it's as if the camera juts out from Van Gogh's soul. It adds even more gravitas to Dafoe's performance. I tend to find flashing strobe lights (like in Black Swan or The Neon Demon) more bothersome than "shaky cam," so I might not be the best person to ask... You'll have to let me know if it bothered you after you see it.
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Post by cheesecake on Dec 12, 2018 2:21:38 GMT
I really dug the trailer but have heard the camera work is quite nauseating. Deciding if I should see it on the big screen or not. I found it fascinating - it's as if the camera juts out from Van Gogh's soul. It adds even more gravitas to Dafoe's performance. I tend to find flashing strobe lights (like in Black Swan or The Neon Demon) more bothersome than "shaky cam," so I might not be the best person to ask... You'll have to let me know if it bothered you after you see it. Thanks. I might check it out this weekend.
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Post by DeepArcher on Dec 25, 2018 4:41:38 GMT
Dafoe gives what must be the second or third best male performance of the year -- his casting in the role was a stroke of genius, and he's nothing short of mesmerizing. Otherwise though this was a bit underwhelming, though I did like it. Ultimately I think the main takeaway here is that we've already reached a sufficient number of films about Vincent van Gogh, because I'm not sure what much else could be said about him at this point. The story is all there in the filmmaking, sure, but that story doesn't tell me much that I don't already know. Number of great moments ... the scenes leading up to the ear-cutting were truly haunting, and I loved the final scene with the image of his paintings finally being sold over his dead body, etc. A lot of it though just didn't really work for me; I like a lot of Schnabel's unique ideas in how he approaches this, but it almost feels like he needed to do even more to make this something really special.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 17:53:59 GMT
thomasjerome - Color me surprised! Congratulations to Dafoe on his Golden Globe nomination! Congratulations on your fourth Oscar nomination (first for Best Actor!!!), Mr. Dafoe. Very well-deserved.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 22, 2019 18:03:08 GMT
This is a historic nomination imo - it isn't like Douglas playing Van Gogh - this is a total Art film and artistic performance - it's obscure and unclearly defined yet precise - this is not too different from an American playing Shakespeare and getting nodded or something like that (NEVER happens). I can not think of an actor of his stature who pulled this off - this is far outside the boundaries of what American actors ever do and ever pull off.
He is legit imo in the running of best actor of his generation and he never gets mentioned ever for this - if he's not the best well he should be talked about in those terms - the Washington/Hanks/Spacey/Cage/Penn (and in my opinion Bridges is closer to THIS generation too). Give the devil (or in his case Christ) his due........
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 18:06:05 GMT
pacinoyes - What did you think of the "sun-drenched" film?
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Post by stephen on Jan 22, 2019 18:07:46 GMT
This is a historic nomination imo - it isn't like Douglas playing Van Gogh - this is a total Art film and artistic performance - it's obscure and and unclearly defined yet precise - this is not too different from an American playing Shakespeare and getting nodded or something like that (NEVER happens). I can not think of an actor of his stature who pulled this off - this is far outside the boundaries of what American actors ever do and ever pull off. He is legit imo in the running of best actor of his generation and he never gets mentioned ever for this - if he's not the best well he should be talked about in those terms - the Washington/Hanks/Spacey/Cage/Penn (and in my opinion Bridges is closer to THIS generation too). Give the devil (or in his case Christ) his due........ I can't yet speak to his performance here, but I'm cool with the nomination on the merits of it being an inspired nod considering it has a crummy studio and Hawke was eating up all the critical buzz. Even though he's probably not winning this year, who knows what next year brings? If The Lighthouse is good and can actually get a fucking campaign behind it (seriously, A24 really dropped the ball this year on its films; I think Collette and Hawke could've gotten in if the studio had actually gotten off their asses), maybe the stars will finally align? He also has Motherless Brooklyn next year as well.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jan 22, 2019 18:09:44 GMT
This is a historic nomination imo - it isn't like Douglas playing Van Gogh - this is a total Art film and artistic performance - it's obscure and and unclearly defined yet precise - this is not too different from an American playing Shakespeare and getting nodded or something like that (NEVER happens). I can not think of an actor of his stature who pulled this off - this is far outside the boundaries of what American actors ever do and ever pull off. He is legit imo in the running of best actor of his generation and he never gets mentioned ever for this - if he's not the best well he should be talked about in those terms - the Washington/Hanks/Spacey/Cage/Penn (and in my opinion Bridges is closer to THIS generation too). Give the devil (or in his case Christ) his due........ I can't yet speak to his performance here, but I'm cool with the nomination on the merits of it being an inspired nod considering it has a crummy studio and Hawke was eating up all the critical buzz. Even though he's probably not winning this year, who knows what next year brings? If The Lighthouse is good and can actually get a fucking campaign behind it (seriously, A24 really dropped the ball this year on its films; I think Collette and Hawke could've gotten in if the studio had actually gotten off their asses), maybe the stars will finally align? He also has Motherless Brooklyn next year as well. And let's not forget "The Last Thing He Wanted" which sounds like a baity role on paper at least.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 22, 2019 18:12:54 GMT
I thought it was a fine film that seemed a bit too short in a way. I don't prefer it to Altman's Vincent and Theo which I think is the greatest film ever made about an artist (of any kind not just a painter), but I was amazed at how warm and inviting this work was and how I felt involved with it.
The Dafoe performance draws you in, in a way much different from an actor reading lines, it is insanely human and understanding of how the painter's mind works and how his heart aches and what his eyes see and he feels too. This is stuff that's been done but it works here - great cast - Isacc, Amalric, Rupert Friend all handled with knowledge, sensitivity and great care by Schnabel - may make my top 10.
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Post by thomasjerome on Jan 22, 2019 18:24:13 GMT
This is a historic nomination imo - it isn't like Douglas playing Van Gogh - this is a total Art film and artistic performance - it's obscure and unclearly defined yet precise - this is not too different from an American playing Shakespeare and getting nodded or something like that (NEVER happens). I can not think of an actor of his stature who pulled this off - this is far outside the boundaries of what American actors ever do and ever pull off. He is legit imo in the running of best actor of his generation and he never gets mentioned ever for this - if he's not the best well he should be talked about in those terms - the Washington/Hanks/Spacey/Cage/Penn (and in my opinion Bridges is closer to THIS generation too). Give the devil (or in his case Christ) his due........ It's also not the first time Dafoe makes history. I don't think anyone else got nominated for playing a vampire, right? It's bit strange that he doesn't often get mentioned among the greatest but the guy has worked with countless auteurs, worked in all kinds of films and played Jesus Christ, Pasolini, Max Schreck as Nosferatu, T.S. Elliott, a disabled veteran, Green Goblin, a psychotherapist, a priest, an eccentric FBI agent, a spy/amputee, Nazi officer, Auschwitz survivor, an alcoholic writer and it goes on and on. But then again, in 2018 he won an Honorary Golden Bear, Gotham Tribute, Volpi Cup... maybe it's "Florida Project" effect that people suddenly remembered his greatness. He'll unfortunately lose the Oscar again but he's certainly building the overdue narrative that I won't be surprised if he finally takes the gold home in soon..... who knows, maybe even next year.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jan 22, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
I always liked and praised Dafoe and his works but to me, it's not really strange that he's rarely been mentionned as one of his generation's greats, he probably doesn't have the (especially) leading performances for that. With Eternity's Gate he just received his first oscar nomination in a Leading role and with the possible exception of The Last Temptation of Christ you never heard people crying about how Dafoe was robbed for this or that (for example, I love him in Light Sleeper but 1992 is just too strong of a year), there is simply not "consensus" about it in the same way it is/was for, say, Gary Oldman. To me, Dafoe belongs to the James Woods (probably a good bit too old generation wise) or his Platoon co-star Forest Whitaker, etc... group of American actors and it's nothing to be ashamed of (I wouldn't rank him over these two).
Haven't seen Eternity's Gate yet (next week) but I'm sure that Dafoe deserved his nomination for it, relatively weak competition this year.
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Post by wilcinema on Jan 24, 2019 1:05:37 GMT
Dafoe is extraordinary, his nomination is completely deserved. The movie is good, and it has great moments, but it is held back by Schnabel and his terrible shaky camera. In such a medidative movie, it really had no place.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Jan 26, 2019 4:05:54 GMT
Haven’t seen all the competition but jeezzz Dafoe is tremendous, I’m surprised he didn’t won more prizes this season, kudos for him to get the nomination, especially over such a praised performance ( Hawke, never got the fuzz tbh ), I might watch it again in the next days just because of him because as you said the cinematography adds to his performance, even the sound, distant at times, is a nice touch.
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