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Post by Shim on Feb 27, 2017 5:46:39 GMT
Will this go down as the biggest best picture snub in oscar history? Or does La La Land kind of fade away as a great movie that never lived up to its hype?
Not to take anything way from Moonlight's win, or obviously compare La La Land to the likes of Citizen Kane. At the very least, La La Land will be at the top of many crazy moments lists for a long time
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Post by bing147 on Feb 27, 2017 5:51:50 GMT
It'll always be on the top of the "most nominated" lists which will keep it relevant. Beyond that I think it a little bit depends on where Chazelle goes from here. If he becomes the big deal it seems like he might it will be remembered as a big deal. If he fades away and 10 years from now is just another director it will fade more.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 27, 2017 6:02:31 GMT
I've thought that it would become a modern classic since I saw it, and this now mitigates some of the backlash people were already trying to start with it (though sadly that backlash is now heaped on Moonlight) so I think it should only help its legacy.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 27, 2017 6:04:45 GMT
Citizen Kane vs. How Green Was My Valley 2.0.
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 27, 2017 6:07:19 GMT
Affect. (sorry)
And honestly, I see this as a benefit more than anything. Far less severe backlash, and may even get some pity love.
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Post by stephen on Feb 27, 2017 6:28:26 GMT
Mike said it best: the backlash is abated somewhat and it is seen as something of a Singin' in the Rain or a Cabaret: a musical classic.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Feb 27, 2017 6:35:29 GMT
It just avoided backlash and gained major sympathy points by the way it lost
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 6:44:58 GMT
Well I think it will be one of the big classics of the decade regardless. I mean, the Oscars don't have an actual effect on how well a movie ages.
I don't think this whole affair changes anything for La La Land, it's Moonlight that benefits from it. In terms of exposure at least. That will help it being remembered and watched in the future.
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 6:52:22 GMT
It'll always be on the top of the "most nominated" lists which will keep it relevant. Beyond that I think it a little bit depends on where Chazelle goes from here. If he becomes the big deal it seems like he might it will be remembered as a big deal. If he fades away and 10 years from now is just another director it will fade more. I don't see what it has to do with Chazelle. Tons of classics were made by not so prestigious directors.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Feb 27, 2017 6:53:16 GMT
It'll always be on the top of the "most nominated" lists which will keep it relevant. Beyond that I think it a little bit depends on where Chazelle goes from here. If he becomes the big deal it seems like he might it will be remembered as a big deal. If he fades away and 10 years from now is just another director it will fade more. I don't see what it has to do with Chazelle. Tons of classics were made by not so prestigious directors. But a prestigious director will bring it more exposure
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 7:02:17 GMT
I don't see what it has to do with Chazelle. Tons of classics were made by not so prestigious directors. But a prestigious director will bring it more exposure Yeah I get this point, but I think it's unique enough to stand on its own and become about just as big as if any other director made it. And it especially stands out when you consider how it's nothing like other contemporary movies. When you look at movies like Singin in the Rain, The Sound of Music or West Side Story, I'm not sure they would have been significantly more famous now if they had been directed by a more recognisable name.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Feb 27, 2017 7:04:49 GMT
But a prestigious director will bring it more exposure Yeah I get this point, but I think it's unique enough to stand on its own and become about just as big as if any other director made it. And it especially stands out when you consider how it's nothing like other contemporary movies. When you look at movies like Singin in the Rain, The Sound of Music or West Side Story, I'm not sure they would have been significantly more famous now if they had been directed by a more recognisable name. Singin in the Rain had Gene Kelly and the other two were directed by Robert Wise
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 7:11:26 GMT
But we were talking about the influence of the director specifically. Kelly's impact on the movie's fame is due to his work as an actor, not as a (co)director. As for Wise I don't see him as a big director that makes his movies get talked about on his name alone.
I think those three movies became the classics they are purely by standing on their own, rather than by being seen as part of a director's filmmography.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 27, 2017 7:20:54 GMT
The Oscars have nothing to do with a movie's legacy. When people talk about Citizen Kane or The Graduate they don't say "Oh, but those movies didn't win Best Picture" as if that's somehow a knock against the movie. La La Land is one of the decade's defining films regardless.
I also think Best Director is starting to be a parallel honor to Best Picture. When you look at recent Picture/Director splits, the Best Director winner was usually the better movie with the exception of 12 Years a Slave/Gravity in 2013.
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Post by CookiesNCream on Feb 27, 2017 7:21:04 GMT
At least La La Land won most other BPs, including a Golden Globe.
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Post by quetee on Feb 27, 2017 7:31:51 GMT
I think it curbs the recent backlash but I think what ultimately happened is that some people went batshit crazy and start saying it was better than classics and that is probably what contributed to it losing a bit. When people took off the rose-colored glasses and actually went wait a min, and then evaluated it.
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Post by atn on Feb 27, 2017 7:36:04 GMT
how does this effect bonnie & clide's legacy lmao
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 7:45:57 GMT
I think it curbs the recent backlash but I think what ultimately happened is that some people went batshit crazy and start saying it was better than classics and that is probably what contributed to it losing a bit. When people took off the rose-colored glasses and actually went wait a min, and then evaluated it. Basically this. I think in our days of internet communication it has just become impossible for a movie to maintain a high reputation on the short term.
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Post by Miles Morales on Feb 27, 2017 7:55:20 GMT
It's unlikely to fade away. Just like Singin' in the Rain, it'll be likely to be recognised as a classic in the musical genre.
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Post by quetee on Feb 27, 2017 7:56:14 GMT
I think it curbs the recent backlash but I think what ultimately happened is that some people went batshit crazy and start saying it was better than classics and that is probably what contributed to it losing a bit. When people took off the rose-colored glasses and actually went wait a min, and then evaluated it. Basically this. I think in our days of internet communication it has just become impossible for a movie to maintain a high reputation on the short term. I can't remember the last time a bp frontrunner was being compared to classics like that? Granted Titanic won before social media but I don't even think people were saying it was better than Network, Singin in the Rain and freakin Casablanca.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 27, 2017 8:14:23 GMT
I think the strange "Oscar loss" will actually help La-La Land's legacy. It'll be regarded as a classic in the future.
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Post by phenix714 on Feb 27, 2017 8:16:02 GMT
Basically this. I think in our days of internet communication it has just become impossible for a movie to maintain a high reputation on the short term. I can't remember the last time a bp frontrunner was being compared to classics like that? Granted Titanic won before social media but I don't even think people were saying it was better than Network, Singin in the Rain and freakin Casablanca. That's because lately the BP frontrunners haven't been all that good, so not many people actually felt they were comparable to the big classics. La La Land in comparison is a phenomenom that has quickly become an all time favourite of many people, and there also is a bunch of classics that naturally invite the comparison, given its rare genre, its old school style and the fact that it itself references many of those movies. So it's just natural to want to compare them. I mean for example there are people who think The Revenant is great but there doesn't really exist an obvious classic to compare it to.
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Post by Tom on Feb 27, 2017 19:48:54 GMT
I wouldnt think it anyway, but this major clusterfuck definetly makes it unforgettable. I also agree that it is definitely working in its favor!
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Post by jordandan53 on Feb 27, 2017 20:43:34 GMT
I still think La La Land will have a similar Legacy as The Artist, a well made and enjoyable throwback to old Hollywood that probably didn't deserve best picture, granted La La Land didn't actually win so it won't have that final caveat.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 27, 2017 21:46:12 GMT
Well at the moment it's a joke but given time it'll back and might end up being one of those 'shoulda won Best Pictures'.
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