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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 10:36:53 GMT
Yup , like I said you know nothing about what's going on in France. But hey , no point in arguing with you . Talking to you is like talking to a donkey. Take care Eric. Is that why you quoted me several hours after I had posted this? Enjoy Macron's France, because you're living in it. Unfortunately. However , The French have made their choice and as difficult as it is I respect it and hope for our sake that it works out. Europe is a mess, the EU has made sure of that. Yet the French show blind faith by voting for more of the same. But perhaps you're too thick to understand that. Good news though, the likes of Fillon (despite of his scandal) , Dupont Aignant and Le Pen of course can still do a lot of good things in the Parliament and not let the Socialists monopolize it. ps : France has 47 millions voters. 16 millions did not vote, 4 millions voted blank so against both, and 11 millions voted Le Pen. So Macron really represents less than half of the French voters even after the second round. Tough times ahead and scores of impopularity.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 10:44:13 GMT
It's so sad to see the people whose ancestors ended the oppressive Ancien Régime with the French Revolution singing the EU anthem at the foot of a Rothschild man. They voted because of fear. Fear of the "fascist", fear of the "populism", fear of the free future. Those sheep still don't get that we won't save our country by singing La Marseillaise . I'm afraid that France will see terrorism as part of normal life now. And the same dimwits who have voted for Macron will be the first to go and cry for a change on social media in case of a terrorist attack. But it's our funeral I guess.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 10:56:05 GMT
Now this thread gets real. Of course ! France has said its ok , let terror continue. I'm sure Merkel and ISIS are celebrating the hell out of those news right now.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 11:10:59 GMT
Yup , like I said you know nothing about what's going on in France.But hey , no point in arguing with you . Talking to you is like talking to a donkey. Take care Eric. Is that why you quoted me several hours after I had posted this? Enjoy Macron's France, because you're living in it.Still not worse (at least not yet) than living in Trump "THE - TODDLER - IN - CHIEF "'s America , I guess So thank you for your kind words.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 11:53:33 GMT
Is that why you quoted me several hours after I had posted this? Enjoy Macron's France, because you're living in it.Still not worse (at least not yet) than living in Trump "THE - TODDLER - IN - CHIEF "'s America , I guess So thank you for your kind words. Can you specify the key differences between Trump and Le Pen? Not trying to start something, I'm genuinely curious.
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Post by tobias on May 8, 2017 12:10:57 GMT
Fucking told you. She even underperformed the polls. Look what I found btw, wanna bet on any of the remainders? Btw the AFD in Germany switched Petry for a lesbian Goldman Sachs banker who lives in Switzerland and some old man.
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Post by tobias on May 8, 2017 12:12:53 GMT
Still not worse (at least not yet) than living in Trump "THE - TODDLER - IN - CHIEF "'s America , I guess So thank you for your kind words. Can you specify the key differences between Trump and Le Pen? Not trying to start something, I'm genuinely curious. Le Pen is a national socialist. Trump does whatever his advisors tell him.
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Post by tobias on May 8, 2017 12:19:19 GMT
Congratulations France! Another splendid political choice! Since when will people vote for puppets like Macron who have nothing in common with the average laborer , who care nothing about their country and it's citizens, but only for banks and money and to choke the working class with neoliberal policies that only benefit a very small elite? I just cannot understand some people. The problem with politicians nowadays is that they are so far removed from the common man and society itself that they don't even have the ability to grasp or understand the problems of their country and it's people, let alone fix them. So, the only solution is direct democracy now. Let the people make descisions for themselves and not vote for some stooge to make descisions for them. But, the so called "democrats" are allergic to direct democracy, which is the only form of true democracy and not a half-assed, bastardized version of it. Well, between the 2 Le Pen is the career politician and only about 1/3 of the french wanted either Le Pen or Macron. I don't really see the point of your post. You should have made it after the first round election. Now they only had 2 options and they made the better one.
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Post by fujiwarafan on May 8, 2017 12:19:58 GMT
It's so sad to see the people whose ancestors ended the oppressive Ancien Régime with the French Revolution singing the EU anthem at the foot of a Rothschild man. They voted because of fear. Fear of the "fascist", fear of the "populism", fear of the free future. Those sheep still don't get that we won't save our country by singing La Marseillaise . I'm afraid that France will see terrorism as part of normal life now. And the same dimwits who have voted for Macron will be the first to go and cry for a change on social media in case of a terrorist attack. But it's our funeral I guess. Yes, I saw in a TV special in Italy a French woman interviewed after voting for Macron who said: "Terrorism is something we have to deal with now, I won't vote for a populist" I know that a single person does not make the entire French nation of course, but still I was shocked by how someone could think in such terms of terrorism.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 13:13:31 GMT
Another clueless and brainwashed puppet who knows nothing about the situation in France. He's better than Le trumpen Like I said Le Pen is nothing like your brainless and impulsive "toddler in chief", not even close. She respects every frenchmen and frenchwomen regardless of their race and religion and foreigners too as long as they respect the french laws and don't try to impose us their way of life which is absolutely fair and legit. When in Rome , do as the Romans... You're talking out of your ass again.
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Post by Joaquim on May 8, 2017 13:50:57 GMT
Fucking told you. She even underperformed the polls. Look what I found btw, wanna bet on any of the remainders? Btw the AFD in Germany switched Petry for a lesbian Goldman Sachs banker who lives in Switzerland and some old man. What was the result of the Italian election? I'm too lazy to look it up.
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Post by Joaquim on May 8, 2017 14:05:11 GMT
Fucking told you. She even underperformed the polls. Look what I found btw, wanna bet on any of the remainders? Btw the AFD in Germany switched Petry for a lesbian Goldman Sachs banker who lives in Switzerland and some old man. Got cocky after calling Brexit and Trump I guess. 2/3 on my bets so far, why not lose the winning record? Merkel is too popular and Sweden is too crazy for me to think either of those will flip, but I'll take you on conservatives slaughtering labour in a month if you want it. I can see Sweden flipping. Just a gut feeling.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 14:08:53 GMT
Still not worse (at least not yet) than living in Trump "THE - TODDLER - IN - CHIEF "'s America , I guess So thank you for your kind words. Can you specify the key differences between Trump and Le Pen? Not trying to start something, I'm genuinely curious. Not that much familiar with Trump's policies but all I can say is Le Pen is a true patriot who's concerned about the well-being of France . And like I've already said to Ray , she respects every frenchmen and frenchwomen regardless of their race and religion and foreigners too as long as they respect the french laws and don't try to impose us their way of life which is absolutely fair and legit.I am myself a biracial and bisexual woman who has voted for her. She's definitely not an ignorant loose canon like that tangerine-tainted fool Trump (no Muslims bans or walls building ). And she sure as hell ain't a fascist.She has the courage to say out loud what a lot of people are thinking on a lot of issues.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 14:13:19 GMT
Got cocky after calling Brexit and Trump I guess. 2/3 on my bets so far, why not lose the winning record? Merkel is too popular and Sweden is too crazy for me to think either of those will flip, but I'll take you on conservatives slaughtering labour in a month if you want it. I can see Sweden flipping. Just a gut feeling. Same. I'd guess its citizens would be fed up with the insanity over there by now.
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Post by themoviesinner on May 8, 2017 14:36:57 GMT
Well, between the 2 Le Pen is the career politician and only about 1/3 of the french wanted either Le Pen or Macron. I don't really see the point of your post. You should have made it after the first round election. Now they only had 2 options and they made the better one. The point of my post was to say that people like Le Pen and Macron, people completely unsuitable for the position of a country's presidency, precisely because they belong to the elite class and have little understanding about the needs and problems of a society, are candidates only because of the flaws of our political system. Someone who participated in numerous workers' or social movements and has a grasp on the problems and needs of society is much more suited for the position, cannot have the opportunity to become a candidate because it requires strong economical and media backup that he simply doesn't have access to. Our political system starkly promotes the equation Money = Power, which is something extremely unsettling. Democracy means rule of the commoners, but I see nothing like that in our current "democratic" sytem.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 8, 2017 15:00:23 GMT
Like I said Le Pen is nothing like your brainless and impulsive "toddler in chief", not even close. She respects every frenchmen and frenchwomen regardless of their race and religion and foreigners too as long as they respect the french laws and don't try to impose us their way of life which is absolutely fair and legit. When in Rome , do as the Romans... You're talking out of your ass again. chill! Tout va bien se passer! Thoughts on my new awesome avatar? I couldn't care less about you or your lousy avatar.
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Post by tobias on May 8, 2017 16:29:23 GMT
Well, between the 2 Le Pen is the career politician and only about 1/3 of the french wanted either Le Pen or Macron. I don't really see the point of your post. You should have made it after the first round election. Now they only had 2 options and they made the better one. The point of my post was to say that people like Le Pen and Macron, people completely unsuitable for the position of a country's presidency, precisely because they belong to the elite class and have little understanding about the needs and problems of a society, are candidates only because of the flaws of our political system. Someone who participated in numerous workers' or social movements and has a grasp on the problems and needs of society is much more suited for the position, cannot have the opportunity to become a candidate because it requires strong economical and media backup that he simply doesn't have access to. Our political system starkly promotes the equation Money = Power, which is something extremely unsettling. Democracy means rule of the commoners, but I see nothing like that in our current "democratic" sytem. I wouldn't be so fast. Macron said quite a few of things that weren't half-dumb in the last few weeks and he's only 39 so he'll actually have to live some more years in the world he's gonna shape now. Of course the correlation between money, corruption and power is an unsavory one, especially in France but a) you got to work with the situation at hand and b) this is possibly a trend that is in reverse already. Try to compare Hillary's and Trump's campaign spending for instance (of course Trump was a reality TV-star though which also give him a big boost) or try to look at Sanders' model. A central problem which you do not touch lies in who even wants to become a politician. It's not such a particularly great job, the most intelligent people tend to avoid it is my experience. And you need a certain degree of narzicism/egomania to want to think you'd make a good president of the USA. Another problem is that politicians already cater completely to public opinion (Merkel does by and large actually do what Germans want, make no mistake about that, the only politican that is more popular is Schäuble). The central problem is that public debate is dying in the process of the economisation of self. We wouldn't vote for these people if we wouldn't want them. The only way to change our politicians is to change public opinion. They come and go with it.
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Post by tobias on May 8, 2017 16:30:32 GMT
Fucking told you. She even underperformed the polls. Look what I found btw, wanna bet on any of the remainders? Btw the AFD in Germany switched Petry for a lesbian Goldman Sachs banker who lives in Switzerland and some old man. What was the result of the Italian election? I'm too lazy to look it up. The date is wrong, they'll probably vote in 2018 but they're on track to be the biggest losers on this chart besides the AFD.
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Post by tobias on May 8, 2017 16:37:57 GMT
Fucking told you. She even underperformed the polls. Look what I found btw, wanna bet on any of the remainders? Btw the AFD in Germany switched Petry for a lesbian Goldman Sachs banker who lives in Switzerland and some old man. Got cocky after calling Brexit and Trump I guess. 2/3 on my bets so far, why not lose the winning record? Merkel is too popular and Sweden is too crazy for me to think either of those will flip, but I'll take you on conservatives slaughtering labour in a month if you want it. Lol, no that's a bad bet. They'll score the majority easy, maybe even a qualified 2/3 majority (fuck you fptp btw...). Brits have also proven that they are idiots already (sry for the brits on this board but you're #1 when it comes to getting fooled) and I understand why people run away from Corbyn and Labour. The british system is the biggest clusterfuck ever. Unless Labour pulls off some crazy leadership/position change very soon, this election is over. The AFD getting below 10 % would be a fair bet if you're willing to take that.
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Post by bkguy182 on May 8, 2017 19:12:46 GMT
The French have made their choice and as difficult as it is I respect it and hope for our sake that it works out. its so much easier to respect a decision when it was clearly what more than a majority of the country wanted. imagine being basically 50/50 and losing.... when you had more votes.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 20:43:37 GMT
The French have made their choice and as difficult as it is I respect it and hope for our sake that it works out. its so much easier to respect a decision when it was clearly what more than a majority of the country wanted. imagine being basically 50/50 and losing.... when you had more votes. America isn't a democracy for good reason
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 8, 2017 23:36:40 GMT
Well, between the 2 Le Pen is the career politician and only about 1/3 of the french wanted either Le Pen or Macron. I don't really see the point of your post. You should have made it after the first round election. Now they only had 2 options and they made the better one. The point of my post was to say that people like Le Pen and Macron, people completely unsuitable for the position of a country's presidency, precisely because they belong to the elite class and have little understanding about the needs and problems of a society, are candidates only because of the flaws of our political system. Someone who participated in numerous workers' or social movements and has a grasp on the problems and needs of society is much more suited for the position, cannot have the opportunity to become a candidate because it requires strong economical and media backup that he simply doesn't have access to. Our political system starkly promotes the equation Money = Power, which is something extremely unsettling. Democracy means rule of the commoners, but I see nothing like that in our current "democratic" sytem. Eh, not to suggest anything antagonistic, but that sounds like you're saying that privilege automatically implies that they don't know what it is like to be poor and among the working class. It's about what someone has to say about something than what someone is something, and I think Le Pen and Trump are two of the most workers-friendly candidates I can recently think of. You don't need to have been poor once to know what it feels like to be poor. Some people can..... think, and just expand their thoughts a little to encompass all sorts of thinkings. What's the alternative to people like Le Pen and Macron? Lenin and Mao Zedong? We've had those "people's leaders" before.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 9, 2017 7:02:05 GMT
The French have made their choice and as difficult as it is I respect it and hope for our sake that it works out. its so much easier to respect a decision when it was clearly what more than a majority of the country wanted. imagine being basically 50/50 and losing.... when you had more votes. Wow ! What an interesting thought .Did you really find that one by yourself ?
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Post by themoviesinner on May 9, 2017 7:04:31 GMT
Eh, not to suggest anything antagonistic, but that sounds like you're saying that privilege automatically implies that they don't know what it is like to be poor and among the working class. It's about what someone has to say about something than what someone is something, and I think Le Pen and Trump are two of the most workers-friendly candidates I can recently think of. You don't need to have been poor once to know what it feels like to be poor. Some people can..... think, and just expand their thoughts a little to encompass all sorts of thinkings. What's the alternative to people like Le Pen and Macron? Lenin and Mao Zedong? We've had those "people's leaders" before. I think most politicians are far removed from the problems of society and can most most easily listen to and understand the representatives of an industrial organization than those of a workers' association. It is certainly complex issue, I can't deny that, but I think some measures can be taken that can limit the problem (more referendums in matters that affect the working class directly, for instance). More direct democracy is always a good thing. And you make a valid point with Lenin and Mao Zedong. People who lack experience with wealth or power can be corrupted by those much easier, as history has proven countless times.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 9, 2017 7:09:41 GMT
The French have made their choice and as difficult as it is I respect it and hope for our sake that it works out. its so much easier to respect a decision when it was clearly what more than a majority of the country wanted. imagine being basically 50/50 and losing.... when you had more votes.
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