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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 14:37:18 GMT
And funny that Lindsay Graham so often goes after the snowflake Democratic resistance, yet today proved more delicate and fragile than those he criticizes. The fact that we are expected to take these grown men throwing temper tantrums seriously is astonishing, really. What I found most distasteful was how Kavanaugh shot back at Senator Klobuchar - asking about her drinking habits after she had shared that her father was a recovering alcoholic. The prep school entitlement that Dr. Ford was testifying to totally showed itself there. Disgraceful.
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Post by quetee on Sept 28, 2018 16:03:25 GMT
The fact that he'll get confirmed is a sad day for American. Put aside all the accusations and let's say both parties are lying...okay.....do we really want someone on a lifetime appointment that conducts himself in that manner? I hope to hell not.
The best quote that came from all of this was from Congresswoman Harris: you got the power, but no integrity.
Okay, I'm sure I quoted her wrong.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 28, 2018 17:06:43 GMT
Yeah, after listening to the testimony and thinking about it for a while... at the very least, this guy shouldn't be confirmed. If the evangelical wing wants their judges in, they should push their president to put in judges that aren't just partisan politicals. And that is what happened at this hearing: he treated it as a partisan, political event so that he could win votes. (And that's disgusting, because THAT IS NOT WHAT THE HEARING WAS ABOUT. Say what you will about Clarence Thomas, but he didn't turn into a whiny baby that acted entitled to a Supreme Court position.) What the evangelical right should push for is someone that reflects their values outside of the courthouse or the White House. If you want to save America, politics isn't going to do it; you need a spiritual revival, and by supporting people like Kavanaugh and Trump, you're hurting your own cause by saying that you'll settle for anyone that supports your causes. Now, is he guilty? Yeah, probably. Ford's testimony made sense, Kavanaugh's didn't. That said, I think Feinstein's handling of the matter should be put in front of an ethics probe, but it'll be just as partisan as this shitshow. This crap is why I don't consider myself Republican or Democrat. I'm legitimately middle of the road, and think both sides have been taken over by radicals. Not necessarily radical in their politics (some are, certainly), but radical in the ideologies. They won't play with the other side, and they won't abandon their own.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 28, 2018 17:26:30 GMT
Can you guys imagine if Hillary acted the way Kavanaugh did while she was grilled over Benghazi? she's human scum as well so i would have enjoyed that too
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 28, 2018 22:10:51 GMT
And funny that Lindsay Graham so often goes after the snowflake Democratic resistance, yet today proved more delicate and fragile than those he criticizes. The fact that we are expected to take these grown men throwing temper tantrums seriously is astonishing, really. What I found most distasteful was how Kavanaugh shot back at Senator Klobuchar - asking about her drinking habits after she had shared that her father was a recovering alcoholic. The prep school entitlement that Dr. Ford was testifying to totally showed itself there. Disgraceful. Temper Tantrum? The guy's accused of rape. If he didn't do it then he's more than entitled to be a little pissed about it but you throw it out like he's an entitled little bitch. The level of ridiculousness in this thread and situation shows a lot about people.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 28, 2018 22:13:09 GMT
Yeah, after listening to the testimony and thinking about it for a while... at the very least, this guy shouldn't be confirmed. If the evangelical wing wants their judges in, they should push their president to put in judges that aren't just partisan politicals. And that is what happened at this hearing: he treated it as a partisan, political event so that he could win votes. (And that's disgusting, because THAT IS NOT WHAT THE HEARING WAS ABOUT. Say what you will about Clarence Thomas, but he didn't turn into a whiny baby that acted entitled to a Supreme Court position.) What the evangelical right should push for is someone that reflects their values outside of the courthouse or the White House. If you want to save America, politics isn't going to do it; you need a spiritual revival, and by supporting people like Kavanaugh and Trump, you're hurting your own cause by saying that you'll settle for anyone that supports your causes. Now, is he guilty? Yeah, probably. Ford's testimony made sense, Kavanaugh's didn't. That said, I think Feinstein's handling of the matter should be put in front of an ethics probe, but it'll be just as partisan as this shitshow. This crap is why I don't consider myself Republican or Democrat. I'm legitimately middle of the road, and think both sides have been taken over by radicals. Not necessarily radical in their politics (some are, certainly), but radical in the ideologies. They won't play with the other side, and they won't abandon their own. Made sense? Three of her witnesses couldn't corroborate her story and outright refuted it. He kept a diary and she can't remember a time or a place when it happened. Now I honestly don't know what happened but if this was in a court of law then this would be thrown out immediately.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 28, 2018 22:16:32 GMT
The fact that he'll get confirmed is a sad day for American. Put aside all the accusations and let's say both parties are lying...okay.....do we really want someone on a lifetime appointment that conducts himself in that manner? I hope to hell not. The best quote that came from all of this was from Congresswoman Harris: you got the power, but no integrity. Okay, I'm sure I quoted her wrong. What manner? The man is accused if rape. He has every right to defend himself and deny the accusations. Let's say for sake of argument he's innocent, you'd still be against him simply because he's a Republican pick but you don't care.
As for that sack of shit Kamala Harris who has manipulated this from the start with her fellow Democrats and yet you're implying she has integrity. She's doing this so the Democrats can win in November and not confirm him or any other Trump pick.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 28, 2018 22:20:29 GMT
All I have to say is this: What the hell is a man that is this damn belligerent towards his questioners doing as a nominee to the Supreme Court? Right?! Even if the accusations were false, all Kavanaugh did today was look like the aggressive, entitled asshole the accusations have painted him as. All that foaming at the mouth and we're supposed to believe he'd be a calm and fair member of the most important judicial court in America? Fuck that. You're a sack of shit. How would you react if someone accused you of rape? Would you just be calmed and collected? Not only that but it's national news. His name is tarnished, his family is probably distraught. The people on this board have no sense of decency and principle. All they're thinking about is politics. They don't care about Ford. All she is a pawn to get what they want.
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Post by quetee on Sept 28, 2018 22:43:28 GMT
The fact that he'll get confirmed is a sad day for American. Put aside all the accusations and let's say both parties are lying...okay.....do we really want someone on a lifetime appointment that conducts himself in that manner? I hope to hell not. The best quote that came from all of this was from Congresswoman Harris: you got the power, but no integrity. Okay, I'm sure I quoted her wrong. What manner? The man is accused if rape. He has every right to defend himself and deny the accusations. Let's say for sake of argument he's innocent, you'd still be against him simply because he's a Republican pick but you don't care.
As for that sack of shit Kamala Harris who has manipulated this from the start with her fellow Democrats and yet you're implying she has integrity. She's doing this so the Democrats can win in November and not confirm him or any other Trump pick.
acting a big time fool....that manner. Thomas didn't even act that way. I don't think people should be judging him based on what he did in high school cause everyone makes mistakes. I think Brett got wasted and legit doesn't remember anything and rather than own up to it he decided to liar about it. That I have a problem with. And before you get into the political mumbo jumbo..ummmmm..Brett was the one who went there. I have a problem with his character.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 28, 2018 22:52:05 GMT
What manner? The man is accused if rape. He has every right to defend himself and deny the accusations. Let's say for sake of argument he's innocent, you'd still be against him simply because he's a Republican pick but you don't care.
As for that sack of shit Kamala Harris who has manipulated this from the start with her fellow Democrats and yet you're implying she has integrity. She's doing this so the Democrats can win in November and not confirm him or any other Trump pick.
acting a big time fool....that manner. Thomas didn't even act that way. I don't think people should be judging him based on what he did in high school cause everyone makes mistakes. I think Brett got wasted and legit doesn't remember anything and rather than own up to it he decided to liar about it. That I have a problem with. And before you get into the political mumbo jumbo..ummmmm..Brett was the one who went there. I have a problem with his character. Politcal mumbo jumbo? There's no evidence he did it, she can't corroborate her story that even her best friend denied it. Now I really don't know what happened but calling him out for being pissed about it is clutching at straws.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 28, 2018 23:26:33 GMT
One of the interesting things (to me at least) is how the sands keep shifting with each wrinkle. For example, I found Ford compelling too but Kavanaugh was not exposed to anything new or corroborating - and its unlikely an FBI investigation will reveal anything in that regard (possible but not likely). So what you have in effect is the mechanism of law potentially inflicting greater suffering specifically and being used in the most cynical of ways - not just Ford's defenders but those women who confronted Jeff Flake as well who are likely to get what they wanted, but not at all at the same time.
Then you also get the illusion that Republicans bent over backwards for this which isn't true but can be read that way and potentially, ironically helps them in midterms or a Flake presidential bid etc too, or most ironically of all helps Kavanaugh's eventual judicial legacy even (ie if he was cleared when nothing is found to dirty him).
Now maybe that won't happen but it's a very movie-ish scenario.....
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 28, 2018 23:34:16 GMT
One of the interesting things (to me at least) is how the sands keep shifting with each wrinkle. For example, I found Ford compelling too but Kavanaugh was not exposed to anything new or corroborating - and its unlikely an FBI investigation will reveal anything in that regard (possible but not likely). So what you have in effect is the mechanism of law potentially inflicting greater suffering specifically and being used in the most cynical of ways - not just Ford's defenders but those women who confronted Jeff Flake as well who are likely to get what they wanted, but not at all at the same time. Then you also get the illusion that Republicans bent over backwards for this which isn't true but can be read that way and potentially, ironically helps them in midterms or a Flake presidential bid etc too, or most ironically of all helps Kavanaugh's eventual judicial legacy even (ie if he was cleared when nothing is found to dirty him). Now maybe that won't happen but it's a very movie-ish scenario..... One of the most points ever made on this ridiculous board.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 29, 2018 0:02:40 GMT
watching rapists have a breakdown and cry is some pretty funny shit ngl absolute human scum, i can't believe how brave his accusers are to have to deal w/ what's being thrown at them Of course a dumb cunt like you with believe her with zero evidence.
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Post by quetee on Sept 29, 2018 0:09:46 GMT
acting a big time fool....that manner. Thomas didn't even act that way. I don't think people should be judging him based on what he did in high school cause everyone makes mistakes. I think Brett got wasted and legit doesn't remember anything and rather than own up to it he decided to liar about it. That I have a problem with. And before you get into the political mumbo jumbo..ummmmm..Brett was the one who went there. I have a problem with his character. Politcal mumbo jumbo? There's no evidence he did it, she can't corroborate her story that even her best friend denied it. Now I really don't know what happened but calling him out for being pissed about it is clutching at straws. saying all this revenge ploy due to Clintons makes this political and shows he's paranoid. What the hell does that have to do with this. I'm calling him out cause he could have handled himself better. He just showed an ugly side to himself that does not belong on the highest court. These stories are always he said she said. She seems credible to me. Brett on the other hand is trying to paint himself as a choir boy and heven never dI'd amy thing wrong. Had he just said, yes I got drunk a lot and acted inappropriate at times, I doubt anyone would have cared. It happened in high school and college, so who cares. But he goes on record stating he never got blacked out drunk. People have stated otherwise. So for anyone out there who has blacked out or know of people who have, odds of you remembering half of what happened is slim to none. Just own what you did and apologize, how hard is that. If you don't remember, fine you don't but don't lie and act like you were doing bible study every night rather than getting wasted. Brett appears to be a revovering acholoic, if stories told by his frIends are true. This is a day to day struggle . If he is still like that, do we really want someone like that making decisions that affects our livelihood? I know I dont.
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Post by quetee on Sept 29, 2018 0:11:05 GMT
watching rapists have a breakdown and cry is some pretty funny shit ngl absolute human scum, i can't believe how brave his accusers are to have to deal w/ what's being thrown at them Of course a dumb cunt like you with believe her with zero evidence. No wonder you think his behavior is okay. That was not necessary and not cool. Shows a lack of respect for women.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 29, 2018 0:16:43 GMT
Politcal mumbo jumbo? There's no evidence he did it, she can't corroborate her story that even her best friend denied it. Now I really don't know what happened but calling him out for being pissed about it is clutching at straws. saying all this revenge ploy due to Clintons makes this political and shows he's paranoid. What the hell does that have to do with this. I'm calling him out cause he could have handled himself better. He just showed an ugly side to himself that does not belong on the highest court. These stories are always he said she said. She seems credible to me. Brett on the other hand is trying to paint himself as a choir boy and heven never dI'd amy thing wrong. Had he just said, yes I got drunk a lot and acted inappropriate at times, I doubt anyone would have cared. It happened in high school and college, so who cares. But he goes on record stating he never got blacked out drunk. People have stated otherwise. So for anyone out there who has blacked out or know of people who have, odds of you remembering half of what happened is slim to none. Just own what you did and apologize, how hard is that. If you don't remember, fine you don't but don't lie and act like you were doing bible study every night rather than getting wasted. Brett appears to be a revovering acholoic, if stories told by his frIends are true. This is a day to day struggle . If he is still like that, do we really want someone like that making decisions that affects our livelihood? I know I dont. If he's black out drunk and doesn't remember assaulting her then how can he own up to it?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 29, 2018 0:18:51 GMT
Of course a dumb cunt like you with believe her with zero evidence. No wonder you think his behavior is okay. That was not necessary and not cool. Shows a lack of respect for women. Lack of respect for women? He's a guy. I call everyone cunts. Most people I know use the word cunt, it's part of my culture. And no I don't think rape is appropriate behavior. You sound like that woman in the elevator accusing a man of not caring about rape victims when she has no idea what he thinks.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 29, 2018 0:21:29 GMT
watching rapists have a breakdown and cry is some pretty funny shit ngl absolute human scum, i can't believe how brave his accusers are to have to deal w/ what's being thrown at them Of course a dumb cunt like you with believe her with zero evidence. "i don't know how sex cases work" stick to memeing about your canadian cousins who have to put up w you instead of the rapist defending shtick, that one is at least funny lol
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 29, 2018 0:25:53 GMT
Of course a dumb cunt like you with believe her with zero evidence. "i don't know how sex cases work" stick to memeing about your canadian cousins who have to put up w you instead of the rapist defending shtick, that one is at least funny lol You literally couldn't defend your own point you imbecile.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 29, 2018 0:27:15 GMT
"i don't know how sex cases work" stick to memeing about your canadian cousins who have to put up w you instead of the rapist defending shtick, that one is at least funny lol You literally couldn't defend your own point you imbecile. coming from the dude who responds to statistics with personal anecdotes about whatever your bumfuck cousins said once 3 years ago, this is rich
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 29, 2018 0:31:54 GMT
You literally couldn't defend your own point you imbecile. coming from the dude who responds to statistics with personal anecdotes about whatever your bumfuck cousins said once 3 years ago, this is rich You're still not making any sense you dumb cunt. What cousin?
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Post by quetee on Sept 29, 2018 0:32:13 GMT
saying all this revenge ploy due to Clintons makes this political and shows he's paranoid. What the hell does that have to do with this. I'm calling him out cause he could have handled himself better. He just showed an ugly side to himself that does not belong on the highest court. These stories are always he said she said. She seems credible to me. Brett on the other hand is trying to paint himself as a choir boy and heven never dI'd amy thing wrong. Had he just said, yes I got drunk a lot and acted inappropriate at times, I doubt anyone would have cared. It happened in high school and college, so who cares. But he goes on record stating he never got blacked out drunk. People have stated otherwise. So for anyone out there who has blacked out or know of people who have, odds of you remembering half of what happened is slim to none. Just own what you did and apologize, how hard is that. If you don't remember, fine you don't but don't lie and act like you were doing bible study every night rather than getting wasted. Brett appears to be a revovering acholoic, if stories told by his frIends are true. This is a day to day struggle . If he is still like that, do we really want someone like that making decisions that affects our livelihood? I know I dont. If he's black out drunk and doesn't remember assaulting her then how can he own up to it? cause she is not the first one to call him out on his behavior. I'm pretty sure behind close doors Brett knows he f up but can't remember shit. Just apologize and move on cause he sounds like the type of drunk who acted like a fool.
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Post by Film Socialism on Sept 29, 2018 0:33:15 GMT
coming from the dude who responds to statistics with personal anecdotes about whatever your bumfuck cousins said once 3 years ago, this is rich You're still not making any sense you dumb cunt. What cousin? damn can't even remember your own bogus sources lmfao
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Post by quetee on Sept 29, 2018 0:34:02 GMT
No wonder you think his behavior is okay. That was not necessary and not cool. Shows a lack of respect for women. Lack of respect for women? He's a guy. I call everyone cunts. Most people I know use the word cunt, it's part of my culture. And no I don't think rape is appropriate behavior. You sound like that woman in the elevator accusing a man of not caring about rape victims when she has no idea what he thinks. okay whatever, he's a giy. So I got that wrong. Lmao. And wrong, I would not be in the elevator doing that, my approach would be way different than that.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Sept 29, 2018 0:34:23 GMT
If he's black out drunk and doesn't remember assaulting her then how can he own up to it? cause she is not the first one to call him out on his behavior. I'm pretty sure behind close doors Brett knows he f up but can't remember shit. Just apologize and move on cause he sounds like the type of drunk who acted like a fool. You mean the other accusations that literally been laughed at. Good try. You also still have no evidence corroborating her story while Kavanaugh literally had a calendar of what he did.
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