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Post by Mattsby on Mar 26, 2020 19:50:46 GMT
Never seen a single scene before earlier this week..... SEASON 1
7-7.5/10 E1 - "Want some of last night's sfogliatelle?" They're Italian, alright! Very good but strains, first half wants to be chipper Scorsese with way too many needle drops. Love the wide deep-focus visuals - new tv shows need to nix the shallow depth overkill. E2 - "What if this suit didn't go back? ...Problem?" Silvio cracks me up but his Pacino impression is overrated dammit! Better, stressed Gandolfini, builds with the ep. Nancy Marchand already quite interesting, quite sad as Tony's mother. E3 - Lame with the Hasidic subplot , but Gandolfini delivers again with a bit of excitement in his bothersome tasks. E4 - Despite the cheap dream opening, great ep. Son begins to see his father differently (darkly). Mob machinations look one way, suggest another. Violence lurking... E5 - Half good. All of the priest stuff is just cringeworthy. Daughter actor can't act, but Gandolfini saves the ep with his epic gated anger. E6 - Lame. Very unsure at this point whether the therapist is interesting or just repeatedly bland interruption. E7 - Very good yet sloppily made ep but permeated with a lot of feeling that got my eyes a little undry by the ending ice cream scene. E8 - Iffy on the meta movie talk about character arcs and all that - the show does overdo the mob movie refs in dialogue, even for these fellas who would. Imperioli is a really fascinating character - he has an inward, psychopathic quality, fueled by his constantly wanting to prove himself, while undone by being truly moronic and naive. In this ep we see a death-wish in him, commenting on the criminal inclination to self-destruct and seek acknowledged notoriety. Also who knew Meucci really invented the telephone! Everybody knows that! E9 - Crappy ep but Junior smashing meringue pie in his gf's face, I have to say, cracked me up. Telling bits in this ep of a hypermasculine code. E10 - Worst episode, almost unwatchable. One good line, Paulie looking at a big mound of cash, "I love a mixed salad." E11 - "Out there it's the 90s, but in this house it's 1954." Solid ep, how easily bonds are thrown away. John Heard impresses in this ep, a rumpled lonely mess. E12 - Favorite episode by far. Deeply depressed Tony, canted visuals, dripping sink, doomy windiness, the Italian dream-babe, Silvio and Paulie marching down the hospital hall, the great, intense assassination scene. And what might be Gandolfini's best acting yet in the car therapy scene, self impressed, deeply worried... E13 - Okay finale, though the extraneous chef character takes up too much of it. FAV PERFORMANCES 1. James Gandolfini - c'mon. 2. Nancy Marchand - a withered, distant sad mess? a completely scheming bat? both? Never really seen a perf quite like it. Oddly convincing and hilarious too... 3. Michael Imperioli I like most of the rest, Paulie, Silvio, Junior and Edie Falco have some moments. Generally, bit of a nitpick, I don't like the beats between dialogue, which is almost constant... wish there was more overlapping. Ever been in a room full of Italians? Talking over each other is the natural pace.
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Post by Archie on Mar 26, 2020 20:03:09 GMT
E13 - Okay finale, though the extraneous chef character takes up too much of it. YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Artie Bucco is a fcking treasure. Yeah, season 1 is easily the weakest. Still has plenty of good stuff.
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 26, 2020 20:08:36 GMT
E13 - Okay finale, though the extraneous chef character takes up too much of it. YOU TAKE THAT BACK! Artie Bucco is a fcking treasure. Yeah, season 1 is easily the weakest. Still has plenty of good stuff. I won't make my final judgment until I know how his arrabbiata is. (But really - how dare you point ya probably inherited hunting rifle at Tony!)
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 28, 2020 19:27:22 GMT
SEASON 26.5/10 E1-4. These feel a bit drawn-out. Janice is annoying. Why does Tony forgive Junior so easily? But... I liked the quiet, simple last scene of E1... and Richie is a good addition, his "old school" sleazy impulse and his feeling owed. Edie is already better than all of S1, rounded out with a life outside of the house and we sense a lot of suppressed feelings crawling to the fore. E5. I liked this ep. Some of Lorraine Bracco's best acting on the show yet opposite Peter Bogdanovich - how she's revealing and sort of hiding and aware of herself. Along with Christopher's acting class, and Tony and Hesh's rambling convos - characters looking for emotional outlets and understanding, with the men only a short span of commiserating and decline back to violence.... E6-9. "The difference gets tacked onto the principal." These veer a little too much aside Tony. The kids suck, AJ and his philosophizing is laughably dumb. While the movie business/on-set stuff was funny it also felt out of a different show. Great ending moment to E8 - E10-13. These are a big improvement, much more focused...... E10. Tony/Carmela deeply stressed in very different ways. Terrific acting from the two. E11. The best of the season! with Tony's physical urgency, Junior stuck in the sink - and I cracked up at the way Ritchie says "You're flexiiing." Some very good visual framing, and one of my fav ep-endings yet in its low-key way. Also my god - Bob Dylan and Johnny Thunders on the soundtrack? Worth repeating: best of the season. E12. Very good except for the goomah subplot. How pathetic Pussy has become, Tony's stumble out of the house, and suddenly Janice isn't annoying anymore! Do you, girl. E13. Have to say, the creaking door sound effect I found deeply irritating (reminded me of the screeching Czech pic Daisies - actually this whole ep is kinda in the submerged, surreal Czech new wave style). Solidly done though maybe too comedic, and removed, to find the emotional depth of its climactic scene. Ending montage great - the grim dribble of their impact against their pleased cigar-swilling. Other notes: Visuals look uglier/cheaper this season, the Soprano kitchen is overlit like a sitcom. My two fav eps E5 & E11 - just realized - were written by Terence Winter. Lol at Tony's boat being named The Stugots. Fav Perfs: 1. Gandolfini 2. Edie Falco 3. David Proval 4. Michael Imperioli
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Post by Mattsby on Mar 30, 2020 22:04:16 GMT
SEASON 3 7.5-8/10
E1. Fun, thrilling ep, and different in terms of how we're viewing the Soprano family - an outside, circling view, from the FBI surveillance team. I like how their listening on the wiretap is sometimes bothered by the constant mob/Italian euphemisms. Having said that, I didn't like the constant fade to blacks and the remix music was certainly a bold choice....
E2. Especially off the momentum of S1, this feels three times as long as it is. The obvious re-use of Livia footage is goofy as hell. Awkward ep but there's one moment that caught me off guard - the quick shot of Pussy in the mirror.
E3. "Shoot your cuffs." Imperioli great. Joseph Siravo (a memorable face from Carlito's Way) as Tony's father in the flashbacks has a stand-out scene proud of and intimidating lil Tony.
Sidebar on Tony's kids - AJ is a bit interesting this season, hard to put a finger on what he's exactly thinking, and with the sports and trouble, he's at the same time leaning in and out of Tony's wishes for him. Everything with Meadow is so corny and inconsistent, and her throwing bread at Junior in the finale officially made her the most annoying character.
E4. The most stinging reveal of an episode title (Employee of the Month), of any show ever, that I can recall. Bracco's finest hour. And ingenious in how it persuades the viewer into violent thinking - I couldn't be the only one that wanted Tony to whack the rapist - but doesn't give.
E5. With a worrying guest perf from Burt Young, but that post-murder cigarette drag was badass (Johnny Sack has some cig-competition, or I guess not anymore). I know Artie has his fans here, but after being an asshole at Livia's wake and being a total creep this ep, I'm sorry but he just sucks. Bobby this season, on the other hand, is my vote for most likable character. Is it this ep he learns of Junior's cancer and says, "My father, now you..... What the fuck is going on?" in such a heartbreaking way. I want to hang out and play checkers with Bobby, gotta love him.
E6. Joe Pantoliano's jovial madness is something to see. He's great this season - like a richer version of the Ritchie Aprile make - they both feel owed, date within the Soprano family circle, are capable of extreme uncalled for violence, and are unliked by the other made men. This ep uses The Kink's Living on a Thin Line - you could apply all of its lyrics to the shows themes - "blame the future on the past, always lost in blood and guts" etc.
Sidebar on Jackie Jr and his friend - they're like a slightly slicker version of the two young bozos of S2, looking to leg up, tragically. (How much can the writers recycle? It works when you get a perf outta it like Pantoliano's but not these dull guys.)
E7. Very good, where the title Second Opinion is a running theme - Carmela questioning her role as wife of a criminal, Chris seeing Paulie differently, and Junior sadly flung between diagnoses. The board of doctors discussion is similar to the FBI's and the mobs - a committee rule.
E8. Great - the standoffish schoolyard conciliating btwn Tony and Ralph (reminded me of The Irishman), Annabella Sciorra....
E9. OK - made interesting by Sciorra's curious sexiness and Ralph making spaghetti. Something about Carmela - the pure joy over her when getting gifts from Tony (the fur coat, the ring)... makes me wonder how she might act if her possessions were to go away.... Or will they keep recycling the religious stressing? E10. Ho ho ho.
E11. Best of the season! Directed by Steve Buscemi. It's the most I've laughed to any ep yet. Paulie's finest hour - from a comfy manicure, a gutted physical wreck in the frigid snow, to pathetic boy in the backseat with mayo on his chin. Last season Paulie/Chris discussed purgatory and this is like that come to life. With great dialogue (Terence Winter ofc) and vivid detail. Only fault is having to cut back to Meadow who apparently stares at a Scrabble board for 24 hours - not confident enough to just be a Beckettian bottle episode?
E12. Predictable, saved a bit by Sciorra and her nutty self-hatred, and Pantoliano's boasting against his belittled calm with Tony.
E13. Good if a little wonky, owned by Junior who gets a few great scenes especially the ending with his singing, a beautiful moment.... this season has developed his arc in a very moving way.
Fav Perfs: Realizing this is the best cast performance yet. Gandolfini not as good as the previous seasons - still he's great - Edie Falco too. But the supp cast get to shine this season - especially Dominic Chianese and Joe Pantoliano. Strong moments or ep takeovers from Annabella Sciorra, Paulie, Bobby, Bracco....
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 5, 2020 19:18:42 GMT
SEASON 47/10 Most uneven season, with some of the worst writing yet, juggling too many characters. Gives too much time to dumbass Artie, awkward Furio, Sack’s wife’s weight, the retirement home, Bracco has become useless, AJ/Meadow are annoying as ever. Weak stuff. On the other hand, there's some greatness: Joe Pantoliano's Ralph, who's become even more of a fascinating character than he already was - he goes thru the ringer this season. Tony's hypocrisy and how it boils over. Silvio gets some of his best moments yet early in the season - there’s disappointment in his notching down to Tony’s demands re the Native Americans and the basement “Whole thing… a misunderstanding” scene from E2 where Sil is called out on disobeying. Carmela who's a broken record throughout the season actually comes together by the end with some of Falco's best work, explosively fed up, destroyed, ashamed. E9 'Whoever Did This' isn't just best of S4 but arguably my fav ep of the series so far. Nearly faultless across it - Unexpected, really violent, fate itself as disturbed and unfair. Very detailed too - small props become crucial. Junior slightly lost in his own affected dementia is very interesting. My fav moments of Tony too for S4 - his burning eyes, operating the tractor excavator while smoking his cigar, etc. Really loved some of the ep final frames - E2 and especially Pie-O-My E5 (GOAT Sopranos ending, no pun intended) - My Rifle My Pony & Me.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 7, 2020 22:27:43 GMT
SEASON 58/10 or more All around strongest season, smarter writing, conflicts, shocks. Shows how much I know - I thought Buscemi only played a minor part, but he’s legit great, one of my fav actors and I’d put this in his Top 10 best perfs. It’s sad to see him lose his planned way. He’s convincing, with hints of the on-the-bench bitterness of the character, like whenever Tony calls him on the phone, his pauses before replies, or acting out like the Marco Polo ep… Once he slips he falls. E1-2 Solid set-up, but a bit slow. Bear element and especially the ending shot of E1 is, in retrospect, real clever…. E3 - Grown men behaving like petty children - the landscaping dispute, Tony’s tantrums, Junior’s fugue wandering which is heartbreaking up to Tony’s “Don’t you love me?” moment. E4-7 - Solid stuff but too many come-and-go subplots. E8 - Edited really well, feels like it’s building to disaster…. Probably the most I’ve ever liked Artie….. some Faces on the soundtrack, can’t complain! E9 - “You act like butter wouldn’t melt in ya mouth.” Easily Gandolfini’s best ep performance to date. There’s a rattled unloading to him during the therapy sessions that we haven’t really seen before - a stuttering hiding panic. And before that, a front of intimidation and manipulation. Also kinda interesting to see the fellas from a different, meek perspective like Meadow’s bf… “Make sure you tell her the moneys from Uncle Paulie.” E10 - Another top Gandolfini ep perf, a kidding, cruel front masking disgust for others who are beating their demons. Buscemi/Imperioli great here too. E11 - Well done wacky stuff, a lot of returned faces, but…. not my thing. But gotta say, who knew Tony was such a deep cinephile? Dreaming about Chinatown, The Godfather, High Noon, Annette Bening….. E12 - Drea de Matteo is devastating, this whole season, really. Besides for the last fifteen minutes or so, the ep isn’t very remarkable. The timeline is a little odd. And we know exactly what’s coming to her. Why’s this praised so much over….. E13 - Best of the season. Wrecked and in awe of this masterful episode - Tony coming around the porch was a huge shock, his hotel hug with Chris got to me the feels, and the whole ending in the snow I love so much. I have a rule: if somethings brings to mind McCabe & Mrs Miller, it's doing something very right.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 10, 2020 18:54:17 GMT
SEASON 6A6.5/10 The casting/writing/performance of Vito is so bad - three strikes you’re out (no pun intended) - it completely sinks about half the season. Otherwise pretty good, and though it gets into soap opera level twists and emotion, it’s a mostly low-key season with some highlights: E1, all of it. The new sushi obsession is very funny; Eugene’s inheritance, why he’s unable to retire, the speck of blood on his cheek, the very realistic hanging, a fascinating conflict and a shocking end. Another gasp moment: Jun shooting T. E2, Tony’s changed voice in the dreams and Chris’ line “My kingdom for a mortadella.” E3, Carmela after getting the bundle of money from Paulie/Vito gives them another appreciative look only to catch their grimaces. E4, lame ep but some of Tony Sirico’s best work. E5, except for Vito, a very good ep with the wedding, Sack’s crying, and Tony’s fixation with male muscles (w/ suggestive camera pans) and his pathetic solution. E6-8, lame, but certainly didn’t expect to see Lauren Bacall decked onto the pavement, also lol at how they bake into Artie’s character that he’s actually annoying, and it's prob his best ep perf. E9, best of the season along with E1 - a very “directed” ep, flashbacks, playing with shutter speed (Tony spinning his niece), the song Fred Neil’s The Dolphins (“the old world will never change the way it’s been”) over Chris’ relapse at the fair, the ripple effect of the penny-pinching Paulie who again is great here and a poignant ending shot. A gliding, bittersweet ep of moving parts… How it implies the lost child underneath these mob toughs. E10-12, not bad, but a lot of it feels sort of rushed and all over the place.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Apr 10, 2020 22:13:49 GMT
SEASON 6A6.5/10 The casting/writing/performance of Vito is so bad - three strikes you’re out (no pun intended) - it completely sinks about half the season. Otherwise pretty good, and though it gets into soap opera level twists and emotion, it’s a mostly low-key season with some highlights: E1, all of it. The new sushi obsession is very funny; Eugene’s inheritance, why he’s unable to retire, the speck of blood on his cheek, the very realistic hanging, a fascinating conflict and a shocking end. Another gasp moment: Jun shooting T. E2, Tony’s changed voice in the dreams and Chris’ line “My kingdom for a mortadella.” E3, Carmela after getting the bundle of money from Paulie/Vito gives them another appreciative look only to catch their grimaces. E4, lame ep but some of Tony Sirico’s best work. E5, except for Vito, a very good ep with the wedding, Sack’s crying, and Tony’s fixation with male muscles (w/ suggestive camera pans) and his pathetic solution. E6-8, lame, but certainly didn’t expect to see Lauren Bacall decked onto the pavement, also lol at how they bake into Artie’s character that he’s actually annoying, and it's prob his best ep perf. E9, best of the season along with E1 - a very “directed” ep, flashbacks, playing with shutter speed (Tony spinning his niece), the song Fred Neil’s The Dolphins (“the old world will never change the way it’s been”) over Chris’ relapse at the fair, the ripple effect of the penny-pinching Paulie who again is great here and a poignant ending shot. A gliding, bittersweet ep of moving parts… How it implies the lost child underneath these mob toughs. E10-12, not bad, but a lot of it feels sort of rushed and all over the place. Definitely the weakest Season, but one episode aside, the final stretch is nearly majestic.
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Post by Drish on Apr 11, 2020 2:32:01 GMT
Seeing Tony Soprano slap his asshole son (s3 finale) is the only thing that made me happy this week.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 12, 2020 23:28:35 GMT
SEASON 6B7.5/10 We see the fear Tony puts into Bobby, Chris, Paulie, Hesh, etc. What they know he’s capable of and willing to do, despite being longtime friends/family. We see some sick delight in Tony aware of their fear. This season is every-other regarding high quality but no doubt very, very good…. And deeply upsetting……. E13. I love how this ep sees time and ‘crossing the line’ - visual barriers, Tony’s aging, Tony’s jokes and Bobby’s defensive response, Bobby’s laundry-hit (with the brilliant detail of a bullet clinking in the dryer) certifying him as a murderer. Ending on This Magic Moment, playing off the warm scene, cruelly counters Bobby. E14. Meta humor with Cleaver opposite the gloomy Sack illness - awkward imbalance. Liked seeing Sydney Pollack pop up. The Hairdo’s restaurant death my pick for worst filmed death of series. E15. Great! Interesting with Junior trying to ‘run’ the psych-ward (buttons subbed for money - a sadly-funny replaying of former rule). Paulie looked at, belittled by Tony - a tightly worried Paulie as the boat goes off intercut with Pussy’s death a striking moment. Love the shots of them on boat, the shifting (rising-falling, sky-ocean) backdrop, symbolizing the dithering tension. E16. Lots of Handheld camera - oddly perfunctory, very lame ep, the Vito Jr stuff, etc. E17. Imperioli excellent, heartbreaking - sets the single tree! Ever since S1 (“it’s like the regularness of life is too f’n much for me”), I’ve been moved by his self conflict more than any other character, his addiction (a plea to escape) and increasingly clearer view of how others mock/misunderstand him, etc. E18. Head-scratcher semi botch of a very important ep. The major death so early stuns, but….. idk, between the pacing/editing (abrupt style like Tony’s dreams) kept me distanced…. E19. Brings up interesting idea: whether the therapy has been doing more bad than good - an emotional scrimmage for Tony’s real-world duping. Yeats poem AJ reads the first V.O. of series? The suicide attempt is a gutting moment... How Tony calls him "My baby." The tooth in Tony’s pants - a long-going motif from Tony’s teeth falling out in S5's The Test Dream to way back S2 the old WWII vet looking at a picture of his smiling younger self (“Still got the same teeth”). E20. “There’s no scraps in my scrapbook.” Love that line. Okay episode. Bobby and his toy trains - Brb there's something in my eye.... E21. Dignity disappearing - dilapidated meeting places, Junior a shell ("Well that's nice"), the collective vanished. Last two scenes (Jun; Diner) a marvel of precise editing and feel. Tony, out like a light. That’s that.
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Post by Viced on Apr 13, 2020 0:09:21 GMT
SEASON 6B7.5/10 E20. Okay episode.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 13, 2020 0:12:44 GMT
SEASON 6B7.5/10 E20. Okay episode.
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Post by Archie on Apr 13, 2020 2:08:33 GMT
E18. Head-scratcher semi botch of a very important ep. The major death so early stuns, but….. idk, between the pacing/editing (abrupt style like Tony’s dreams) kept me distanced…. You're killing me here, broseph. That episode is one of my favorites!
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 14, 2020 0:18:35 GMT
Fav episodes:
1. “All Due Respect (5.13) 2. “Pine Barrens” (3.11) 3. “Isabella” (1.12) 4. “Whoever Did This" (4.9) 5. “Unidentified Black Males” (5.9)
others I loved, chronologically: “The Sopranos” (1.1) “House Arrest (2.11) “Employee of the Month” (3.4) “He Is Risen” (3.8) “Pie-O-My” (4.5) “Members Only” (6.1) “The Ride (6.9) “Soprano Home Movies” (6.13) “Remember When” (6.15) “Walk Like A Man (6.17) “Made in America” (6.21)
Fav performances: (very roughly ranked)
James Gandolfini Michael Imperioli Dominic Chianese Tony Sirico Edie Falco Nancy Marchand Joe Pantoliano Steve Buscemi Drea de Matteo Steve Schirripa David Proval
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Post by notacrook on Apr 16, 2020 23:49:30 GMT
Finally planning to complete the re-watch I started a few years ago. I made it through the first 3 seasons, and loved them even more with a second viewing, with S3 in particular being an all-time great season of television.
Season 4, while perhaps not quite as strong as those first 3, is still remarkable. I was particularly struck on re-watch at how well pretty much every plot threat is set up across the 13 episodes, from Carmella's growing attractions to Furio to Tony's continued resentment of Ralphie. These plot points pay off magnificently in the season's final stretch, with "Whoever Did This" and especially "Whitecaps" being amongst the show's very best episodes - my god, Gandolfini and Falco are magnificent in that finale. Other plot threads, such as Adriana's many troubles, are established and developed masterfully here, with the crescendo of course coming in the following season.
It's really a pleasure re-watching a show with such consistently strong, interesting directorial and narrative choices. On to season 5!
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Post by Viced on Apr 29, 2020 1:14:27 GMT
David Proval was great, but Robert Patrick is my MVP. Coming back to this during my current quarantine re-watch to say that this time around... Robert Patrick knocked me the fuck out. Always thought he was great here, now I'd say it might be one of the best portrayals of desperation I've seen. He's so damn real in that scene in the basement it's scary. I used to rank him third of the suicidal guest star trifecta in the first three seasons (behind Heard and Sciorra)... now I'd put him at the top.
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Post by Drish on May 1, 2020 1:04:29 GMT
Bobby Bacala is all love. ❤️
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Post by Drish on May 4, 2020 21:27:02 GMT
I'm in the last leg of this show, just finished the Sopranos Home videos and I feel kinda sad to hate Tony now. I kinda found him lovable in the first 2-3 seasons but now he's officially become irredeemable for me in everything he does. The way he manipulated Bobby was so upsetting. The show is such a ride though. I don't want it to end.
Also, I have to stop using "kinda" so much.
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Post by Drish on May 7, 2020 4:10:04 GMT
That ending!! Genius.
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Post by Drish on May 13, 2020 18:09:59 GMT
Here's a really good interview with probably my favorite character on the show: I've literally watched all his interviews for the show. He's such a delight.
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Post by Viced on Feb 24, 2021 19:06:34 GMT
Happy 90th birthday to the legend Dominic Chianese.
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Post by dazed on Jun 17, 2021 22:43:27 GMT
Just finished this last night. Wow. I wasn’t sold on it being an all time show throughout the first two seasons (although they were still great), but the more time you spend watching these characters, the more you realize how special this show really is. One of my favourite shows. Even though I wouldn’t say it’s my #1 show, I can see why people say it’s the best show ever and I might even support that sentiment. I’ve never seen a better fit for an actor and character than James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano. Superb. The whole cast was aces, but Gandolfini was just in a different stratosphere here.
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Post by dazed on Jun 27, 2021 20:48:16 GMT
The title 😂
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