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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 13, 2018 5:44:54 GMT
I haven't watched the match, but I did watch the confrontation itself, and as a referee myself.... Serena needs to grow up and learn some class. You call the umpire a thief, YOU WILL GET A PENALTY. How dumb do you have to be? And then you call it sexism? You keep whining like that in a soccer game, you're getting kicked out. It's that simple. It's the rule.
And when you behave like a spoiled child, you ruin the game for everyone. Look at Naomi Osaka having to dance around this whole issue when she should be able to celebrate crushing every single opponent with minimal resistance. It's a disgrace to sport, and this behavior has no place on the court. I don't give a damn if "men can get away with worse." They shouldn't (and I doubt they do, but I wouldn't know), but that isn't the standard. The standard is the law book. If you can't abide by the laws, then the penalties of the laws will be enforced. That simple.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 13, 2018 10:15:52 GMT
I think she got it in her head that she was owed an apology and she wasn't going to get it so she escalated it and the umpire didn't de-escalate it which he should have. People keep going back to Connors, McEnroe or Agassi but its a different era now and she did violate all the things he penalized her for - she was being coached, she broke her racket and she engaged in verbal abuse.
Female tennis has bigger problems - the finals of a slam event featured a number 17 player vs. a number 20 player - when is the last time that happened on the men's side - which arguably has the 3 best players ever still playing? The finals of a grand slam featured an umpire docking a player a whole game for 3 violations when she knew she had 2 already - I can't remember that being done ever in a slam final - but that's what 3 violations gets you - breaking the racket is where it should have ended.
Is that sexism? Actually probably it is a little but there's plenty of blame to go around - you can't lose control like that on the court.
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Post by JangoB on Sept 13, 2018 13:09:19 GMT
I can't believe this is even up to debate. Ramos did all the right things. She did all the wrong things. I feel nothing but admiration for Naomi Osaka and I'm appalled that she was put into a position where she basically had to apologize for her victory. And when Williams says that it's a sexism thing and she's a fighter for women's rights...Makes my blood boil. But it sure is the easiest way not to recognize your blatant mistakes and apologize for them and be a respectful loser - yeah, it's much easier to shout and whine and pull the 'woman rights' card. It's like preaching to the braindead, and what's worse is that they seem to be eating it up.
And this stupid excuse her defenders use of 'bbbut men have gotten away with much worse' is utterly ridiculous. If some men got away with wrongdoings, it's bad. They shouldn't have. No players should. So we ought to be celebrating that this time the judge followed the rules and didn't let a player get away with it (as I understand, this same Ramos has been fair to men as well in the past).
I get that she considers herself to be this queen of tennis and that she thinks she can get away with anything, but I'm glad her privilege did not get in the way of proper judgment. And I'm appalled (but not surprised) that the left is eating up her 'woman rights!!!' excuses and staying on her side. Way to mistreat Osaka.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Sept 13, 2018 14:50:31 GMT
As a huge Serena fan, I definitely agree that she behaved super poorly, and contributed in the main to ruining what should have been one of the greatest moments of Osaka's career. Also, I've always been of the opinion that as soon as you raise your voice in an argument / discussion, you've lost it; but she and others do have a point on the sexism thing. I fully believe that Ramos, or any other umpire would not have gone to those punishment extremes with a Federer, Djokovic or Nadal, which is painfully irritating, as the time wasting Nadal gets away with is mind boggling. I'm not saying Ramos was wrong on Saturday, as he wasn't, but I know if he'd been the umpire on Sunday instead, and Djokovic behaved as poorly as Serena, he wouldn't have received the same punishments.
Also, am I the only one who wants to see tennis players smashing their frickin' racquets? I love that stuff.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 13, 2018 15:09:15 GMT
Her behavior was totally unacceptable. She had no right to verbally abuse the man. And the people who bring the METOO + EQUAL RIGHTS movements into this should STFU ! Sorry but this had nothing to do with women's rights, this was her behaving badly. Period! She has played for many years and should know the rules of tennis. She was way out of line, and totally ruined Naomi's experience. Badly done , Serena !
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 13, 2018 16:00:04 GMT
I think it was a real life case of "NO U!!!111!!!" on the internet. She got caught doing something she's not supposed to... then she acted like a child. It's tennis, so there's no shortage of temper tantrum prone children.
I don't think there was any sexism involved either. She basically dared him at that point to give her another penalty... and then he did.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 13, 2018 17:00:08 GMT
I just read a couple of articles and their main point seems to be that we're missing the point why she did what she did.
All the while not addressing the point that she, you know, broke the rules.
Ironically, I'm watching a Gronk Tide ad. Another guy whose fans threw a fit when he got rightfully docked a game last season.
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Post by Martin Stett on Sept 13, 2018 17:10:02 GMT
I just read a couple of articles and their main point seems to be that we're missing the point why she did what she did. All the while not addressing the point that she, you know, broke the rules. Ironically, I'm watching a Gronk Tide ad. Another guy whose fans threw a fit when he got rightfully docked a game last season. The reason she did what she did is because she got pissed that she was losing and being caught cheating (hell, her coach admitted to it). This is far from the first time that Williams has gone off on abusive tirades, and then she gets upset when she's penalized for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 17:17:09 GMT
The most upsetting thing for me was the booing that made Osaka weep. Girl beat the GOAT, and then had to apologize for winning. Such a disgrace. I hope Osaka gets a shitload of contracts her way because she is truly a graceful athlete. One who should be admired in this age of sore losers and showboaters.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 13, 2018 17:23:30 GMT
The most upsetting thing for me was the booing that made Osaka weep. Girl beat the GOAT, and then had to apologize for winning. Such a disgrace. I hope Osaka gets a shitload of contracts her way because she is truly a graceful athlete. One who should be admired in this age of sore losers and showboaters. She just got named a brand ambassador for Nissan. |
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Sept 14, 2018 14:03:21 GMT
So racist or not racist ?  |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 14, 2018 18:46:55 GMT
So racist or not racist ? It's definitely not sexist, let's just throw that accusation out. Here are just a few cartoons poking fun at Mcenroe (the king of salt). ![]()    And that's for a guy who hasn't played in a couple of decades... As for the racism, I can see it. I don't think it was done intentionally (it's a cartoon that's meant to be unflattering to the person they're making fun of) but it's there if you look for it. Then again, you can find racism and sexism literally anywhere if you look hard enough for it. |
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 14, 2018 18:50:29 GMT
Here's one done from a couple of years ago... ![]()  |
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Post by countjohn on Sept 15, 2018 18:12:00 GMT
Martina Navratilova wrote an open-ed where she pretty much said it's irrelevant what people would think if a man acted like that and that she shouldn't act like that regardless. 100% agree. It was a breath of fresh air for someone to rise above whataboutism for once.
I don't not like Serena, it's not like she's the only sports star with a bad attitude, but recently everyone's decided to hold her up as an excellent role model for little girls, which she isn't.
It's not like anyone ever cited McEnroe as a role model either. He was fined and docked points in matches just like she was here.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Sept 15, 2018 18:32:39 GMT
Martina Navratilova wrote an open-ed where she pretty much said it's irrelevant what people would think if a man acted like that and that she shouldn't act like that regardless. 100% agree. It was a breath of fresh air for someone to rise above whataboutism for once. I don't not like Serena, it's not like she's the only sports star with a bad attitude, but recently everyone's decided to hold her up as an excellent role model for little girls, which she isn't. It's not like anyone ever cited McEnroe as a role model either. He was fined and docked points in matches just like she was here. Hell, Mcenroe was DQ'd from the Australian Open once. |
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Post by countjohn on Sept 15, 2018 20:44:29 GMT
Martina Navratilova wrote an open-ed where she pretty much said it's irrelevant what people would think if a man acted like that and that she shouldn't act like that regardless. 100% agree. It was a breath of fresh air for someone to rise above whataboutism for once. I don't not like Serena, it's not like she's the only sports star with a bad attitude, but recently everyone's decided to hold her up as an excellent role model for little girls, which she isn't. It's not like anyone ever cited McEnroe as a role model either. He was fined and docked points in matches just like she was here. Hell, Mcenroe was DQ'd from the Australian Open once. McEnroe's behavior may have been a bit worse, and the tennis community was a little more upper class and stuffy then, like it still is in golf, but yes there's still no justification to say that people "went easy" on him or Jimmy Connors compared to Serena now. |
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