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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 13:09:45 GMT
Seeing this tonight. Looks like it’ll be a movie that people could be talking about this month.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 9, 2018 13:11:40 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 9, 2018 13:26:45 GMT
Probably seeing it tomorrow - I am not a Spike Lee fan (at all really) aside from his documentaries............ but it just seems as the perfect connection of filmmaker and subject matter.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Aug 9, 2018 13:27:16 GMT
Two weeks till it's out here, so I'll have seen it by month end. I'm really quite excited for this one.
Also, on a sidenote, and prior to us knowing the full sp on the new oscar, if this film is a box office success, I'm NGNG predicting something like this to win it, rather than a more Marvel type thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 14:05:36 GMT
Two weeks till it's out here, so I'll have seen it by month end. I'm really quite excited for this one. Also, on a sidenote, and prior to us knowing the full sp on the new oscar, if this film is a box office success, I'm NGNG predicting something like this to win it, rather than a more Marvel type thing. I don’t know if it’ll go as high as Inside Man but I can see this being something of a sleeper hit.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 9, 2018 14:25:49 GMT
This is what I wrote originally when I saw it back in June:
Loved it. Riotously funny at times but also knew when to be serious and the 'serious' scenes worked. As you could probably already gather, it is timely as all hell. Great overall cast, everyone comes to play but the MVP has to be Washington, he's just charismatic as fuck. Was holding back tears during the last few minutes. I think this could be a big player come Oscar time. 9/10 and my #2 of 2018.
Will hopefully be seeing it again next week.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2018 14:34:52 GMT
The reviews for this are pretty incredible. And the Cannes Grand Prix win was encouraging. Spike doesnt always hit the bullseye, but he's one of America's greatest ever auteurs, and his refusal to sell-out and become some hired hand journeyman after nearly 4 decades in the business is impressive.
If Blackklansman is indeed his latest masterpiece as some are claiming,that'd be a nice symmetrical streak of having at least one masterpiece per decade since the 80's. His masterworks:
Do The Right Thing Malcolm X He Got Game 25th Hour
Inside Man is nearly there, but just misses the mark. Still a near perfect genre movie.
Also quite encouraging to hear the son of America's greatest living actor seems to have inherited some of his daddy's talent/charisma. The nepotism pool in recent years for next generation Hollywood actors has been depressingly shallow. We need to be doing better than Scott Eastwood.
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Post by quetee on Aug 9, 2018 14:54:17 GMT
Two weeks till it's out here, so I'll have seen it by month end. I'm really quite excited for this one. Also, on a sidenote, and prior to us knowing the full sp on the new oscar, if this film is a box office success, I'm NGNG predicting something like this to win it, rather than a more Marvel type thing. I don’t know if it’ll go as high as Inside Man but I can see this being something of a sleeper hit. Maybe people will think Denzel's in the movie and it will make bank. LMAO. His son sounds just like him.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2018 15:03:06 GMT
I don’t know if it’ll go as high as Inside Man but I can see this being something of a sleeper hit. Maybe people will think Denzel's in the movie and it will make bank. LMAO. His son sounds just like him. Eh...that trick didnt work for John Boyega and Detroit (which flopped), and Boyega actually looks more like Denzel than John David (his own son). People aren't here for Denzel look-alikes or sound-alikes. What has been selling this movie as a potential box office sleeper was the trailers that made the film look both funny and topical, and the great buzz out of Cannes. And the fact that it's producer made Get Out. JDW being Denzel's kid is a fun bonus, but he's no draw yet. Though a lot of reviews are saying it's a starmaking performance.So I'm guessing JDW will be playing a superhero for Marvel or Warner/DC in the not so distant future.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 9, 2018 15:34:22 GMT
One of the problems with this film - well not with the film because I haven't seen it, but the reaction to the film so far is that it is really a pre-conceived joke. Like at a certain point for the film to work - really work - it has to transcend the premise (and it may do that too).
The reaction to the premise from reviews I have read and I haven't read them all because I don't want to have it spoiled - is "this happened, and Spike Lee has anger (or humor) about it! etc" things you know by just the sales pitch of the movie.
This is a huge problem in general now in American movies imo - the ability to nuance the discussion of your film beyond the basic premise when what's getting people to go is merely a regurgitation of the premise itself.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2018 15:40:26 GMT
^^^^
I think you are almost probably better off not seeing this, as you don't like Lee's work for the most part and it feels like something you have to watch out of obligation, so you can say you've seen it when you point out how much you dislike it. If you are going into a movie looking for confirmation bias to dislike it, what's the point?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 9, 2018 15:53:46 GMT
^^^^ I think you are almost probably better off not seeing this, as you don't like Lee's work and it feels like something you have to watch out of obligation, so you can say you've seen it when you point out how much you dislike it. If you are going into a movie looking for confirmation bias to dislike it, what's the point? On the contrary that, to me, is the whole point of being a movie fan - a serious movie fan I mean - that ability to be surprised, to realize that the artist is doing something you didn't expect to see, that I as a viewer do not have the right to peg him into a permanent hole based on past work. If I felt like I "couldn't" honestly rate something which is something I have never felt, even for artists I think are far less than Lee (Von Trier, and far less than Von Trier, like Noe) - I'd pretty much be depressed(?) I don't see what that has to do with what I posted before though which wasn't about Lee, it was about the keep it simple stupid mindset of the critical community ..........you actually reminded me of that point by mentioning Detroit - a great film imo, that bombed because people JUST wanted it to be about the riots, and that film had a much more nuanced, much darker, much more chilling agenda on its mind.
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Post by quetee on Aug 9, 2018 16:03:50 GMT
Maybe people will think Denzel's in the movie and it will make bank. LMAO. His son sounds just like him. Eh...that trick didnt work for John Boyega and Detroit (which flopped), and Boyega actually looks more like Denzel than John David (his own son). People aren't here for Denzel look-alikes or sound-alikes. What has been selling this movie as a potential box office sleeper was the trailers that made the film look both funny and topical, and the great buzz out of Cannes. And the fact that it's producer made Get Out. JDW being Denzel's kid is a fun bonus, but he's no draw yet. Though a lot of reviews are saying it's a starmaking performance.So I'm guessing JDW will be playing a superhero for Marvel or Warner/DC in the not so distant future. there's a running joke that all black people look a like. I was kidding around when I made that statement. Should have said some people. Lmao.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2018 16:08:05 GMT
Fair enough. I figured you were just getting out your talking points early about why you don't like or rate the movie before actually seeing it. But I probably myself wouldn't rush out to see a film on day 1 of release where I was that generally apathetic about the filmmaker in totality, but everyone is different I guess
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 9, 2018 16:12:23 GMT
Fair enough. I figured you were just getting out your talking points early about why you don't like or rate the movie before actually seeing it. But I probably myself wouldn't rush out to see a film on day 1 of release where I was that generally apathetic about the filmmaker in totality, but everyone is different I guess It's my movie buddy's pick, last time out was mine and she came along (Hereditary)..........
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Post by quetee on Aug 9, 2018 16:14:09 GMT
Did anyone see interview with real guy and Spike? He said that David Duke called him and was concerned about how he was portrayed. Lmao. Ummm, a grown ass man used to go around with a sheet over his head proclaiming that he hates blacks is considered about his image??? N word please.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 9, 2018 16:15:21 GMT
No one is a good enough buddy for me to sit through a movie I don't want to. Life's too short. I'd only do that for my partner (ie the person i sleep with) or my kids
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 9, 2018 16:27:05 GMT
Hoping to see it sometime this weekend. It's one of the only upcoming awards-hopefuls that actually looks worth a damn, so I'm expecting good things.
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Post by jakesully on Aug 9, 2018 19:01:00 GMT
Pretty pumped for this one . sounds like a good Spike Lee Joint . Not sure when I'll be able to see it in theaters though. (still need to see Leave No Trace & Sorry to Bother You)
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Post by quetee on Aug 9, 2018 22:58:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 18:34:25 GMT
Okay, DAMN. I had to take the last 15 hours or so to form proper thoughts without sounding too cliche. But I loved the hell out of this. I dare say it may be my new #1 of the year? Still a little soon but I knew Isle of Dogs wasn’t gonna stay at the top for long. Anyway, while this is only my third Spike Lee movie, it’s easily my favorite. He managed to make something that is at times funny, and other times heavy without resorting to standard filmmaking tropes to invoke emotions (the scene with Kwame, for instance, or the later scene cutting between the KKK and the BSU). Washington is excellent. The rest of the cast is fairly decent, nothing really outstanding, but Hawkins absolutely steals his scene. One complaint is the occasional flushed color look (the scene in the night club), which I couldn’t tell if it was a fuck-up on the theater’s part, or my eyes, or just something Lee thought would work, but it was distracting. SPOILER THOUGHTS That ending was really something, despite being mostly clips, as it really drives this point home that Alec Baldwin’s character (his cameo is great too) said at the beginning about winning a battle but losing the war (or perhaps it was the other way around), since that’s how it went for Ron. He won the battle but ultimately, he and other African Americans have a long way to go before this war is done. Even that last shot of the upside down American flag, just that shot with no music, is so eerie and effective. But yeah, regardless of your thoughts on Lee or his work, this is really worth a watch.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 10, 2018 20:17:59 GMT
Back when Spike Lee had it he was a hit or miss guy anyway - for almost all of the mostly great (until the end) Do The Right Thing.........and the electrifying Gator sequences in the disappointing Jungle Fever his directorial style was like a machine gun - spray gunfire and see what sticks.
The first 1/3 of BlacKkKlansman is his best film since like literally Do the Right Thing. Here he's kinetic, humorous in a non-heavy handed way (the "I don't like black and white movies" is quite witty in regards to The Last Picture Show), layering his points in deftly. You feel something great is coming.
The middle of the film starts to slip .......lots of illogical plot developments, a gross Spike Lee special scene where the love interests discuss black exploitation films (Superfly or Shaft?), loss of tone. But still some of it sticks and hits - as when he compares the Klan codes of cover up conduct with police.
But the last 1/3 of the film is a fnckin mess up until the final scene which isn't a film scene it's a real scene that you don't need to see here to have an opinion on Lee's polemic - by that point it's not a movie anymore, it is a polemic. Lee engages in several dodgy propositions in this last 3rd to try to give this story dimension and scope - touching on Birth of a Nation's place in US history for one.........it doesn't fit and Lee and his 3 other screenwriters can't make it fit - his righteous anger is replaced by an intellectual approach he can't sustain (4 screenwriters is almost never a good sign anyway)
I'd say don't believe the hype...........unless you're believing it for the terrific first 1/3 .......~6.5/10
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 10, 2018 20:37:34 GMT
Okay, DAMN. I had to take the last 15 hours or so to form proper thoughts without sounding too cliche. But I loved the hell out of this. I dare say it may be my new #1 of the year? Still a little soon but I knew Isle of Dogs wasn’t gonna stay at the top for long. Anyway, while this is only my third Spike Lee movie, it’s easily my favorite. He managed to make something that is at times funny, and other times heavy without resorting to standard filmmaking tropes to invoke emotions (the scene with Kwame, for instance, or the later scene cutting between the KKK and the BSU). Washington is excellent. The rest of the cast is fairly decent, nothing really outstanding, but Hawkins absolutely steals his scene. One complaint is the occasional flushed color look (the scene in the night club), which I couldn’t tell if it was a fuck-up on the theater’s part, or my eyes, or just something Lee thought would work, but it was distracting. SPOILER THOUGHTS That ending was really something, despite being mostly clips, as it really drives this point home that Alec Baldwin’s character (his cameo is great too) said at the beginning about winning a battle but losing the war (or perhaps it was the other way around), since that’s how it went for Ron. He won the battle but ultimately, he and other African Americans have a long way to go before this war is done. Even that last shot of the upside down American flag, just that shot with no music, is so eerie and effective. But yeah, regardless of your thoughts on Lee or his work, this is really worth a watch. Sounds amazing. What do you make of it's Oscar prospects? Been reading on other sites that it could potentially be a massive contender in several categories. I'd definitely like to see Lee win a competitive Gold Man as a director (he's got the honorary one, but it isn't the same thing). Can Washington (the younger) break into the Best Actor race? I'm surprised you were not more high on Driver, as he looks strong in the trailers, his reviews have been strong and I think he's becoming one of the most dependebly strong actors of his age group.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 0:15:36 GMT
pupdurcs I can see a screenwriting one at the most, with directing and maybe even editing sneaking in. Driver was solid, though not great enough to rave about. Harrier was a little better than him.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 13, 2018 7:42:40 GMT
Damn good movie overall . Thought provoking, funny , poignant and disturbing . Great acting . Definitely worth watching.
7.5/10
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