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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 0:12:01 GMT
No real order but the top 2 are the top 2. Deer Hunter is just outside of the top 5 to me and I usually think of his top 5 as a top 6 ......those 6 performances can stand with any actor's top 6, regardless of country or era - you can't really say anyone can "top" his peak work. Lots of great stuff, but to me his reputation and legacy are based on those ones.
Taxi Driver Raging Bull The Godfather Part II Mean Streets King Of Comedy
Most underrated : Jacknife Most overrated : Cape Fear
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 0:13:36 GMT
1. The Deer Hunter. Far and away the best performance of his career, this is where De Niro's patented "intensity" brand actually coupled with a worthwhile character. He perfectly encapsulates the trauma that was endemic in those returning from Vietnam, and it all feels in service of the film, rather than the film having to more or less bend over backwards to accommodate him. Would've made a phenomenal winner.
2. Goodfellas. This is where De Niro became De Niro as we really know him; all of the tics and mannerisms people like to mimic and mock nowadays are in full force here, but this performance is bolstered by pure, unfettered charisma. De Niro comes in and fucking owns every second he's on-screen, and even with even better performances like Liotta and Pesci muscling in on his turf, De Niro knows how to keep you watching him. That stare in the bar is, for me, his finest moment as an actor.
3. Awakenings. 1990 was really a powerhouse year for Bobby D, with this and Goodfellas. Here, he is so goddamned earnest and it works wonders. Leonard is an instantly likable creation, but it's so easy to keep from steering into the realm of the saccharine and overtly maudlin. De Niro's skilled enough to skirt that realm entirely.
4. Angel Heart. Probably not as well-loved or respected by most De Niro fans, but I'm a huge fan. Louis Cyphre is such a creepy, unsettling character, one who instantly arrests your attention. It's even more intriguing when you realize De Niro was playing Scorsese. His silky-smooth style keeps you riveted, and his final scene (bad CGI-eyes aside) haunts me to this day.
5. The Mission. Another underrated, under-discussed performance that uses De Niro's physicality to great effect. The way that he wracks himself in torment over his guilty conscience is something to behold, and even though he has to hold his own against a superior Irons performance, De Niro doesn't back down.
I'd probably round out his top ten with Midnight Run, Mean Streets, Raging Bull, Once Upon a Time in America and Jackie Brown.
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Post by Kings_Requiem on Aug 6, 2018 0:20:21 GMT
Taxi Driver The King of Comedy Raging Bull The Deer Hunter Midnight Run
He's got so many that I could easily put another 5 on here. Granted he hasn't really had any for a while, but for nearly 30 years from the 70s to the late 90s he was constantly cranking out great performances. He's a legend for a reason.
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Post by Viced on Aug 6, 2018 0:26:33 GMT
If he isn't #1 in next week's poll.......... there's a dead man on the other end of this fuckin' line. what I'm gonna do to all the voters when Daniel Day-Lewis wins: might as well bump this up to 10.... 1. Raging Bull 2. Taxi Driver 3. Mean Streets 4. The King of Comedy 5. The Godfather: Part II 6. The Deer Hunter 7. Heat 8. Goodfellas 9. Midnight Run 10. Jacknife
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 0:28:26 GMT
If he isn't #1 in next week's poll.......... there's a dead man on the other end of this fuckin' line. what I'm gonna do to all the voters when Daniel Day-Lewis wins: might as well bump this up to 10.... De Niro's nothing but a little piece of competition. Bastard from a basket!
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Post by Viced on Aug 6, 2018 0:28:26 GMT
Granted he hasn't really had any for a while, but for nearly 30 years from the 70s to the late 90s he was constantly cranking out great performances. He's a legend for a reason. I'd put The Wizard of Lies in his top 15 or 20... and that's a top 15 or 20 that's stronger than mostly every other actor ever for me...
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 0:34:51 GMT
Viced - That gif was exactly what I was looking for. I agree with you on DDL being a possible winner. He's my prediction right now. However, the other choices I can see is Newman and DeNiro. Don't really see Brando or Pacino being the winner. I think Hackman will make top 8 at the least, #5 at the highest. Nah, I think there are enough people who wouldn't list either DDL or De Niro on either list, and I think you're likely going to see a compromise winner like Newman or Jack Lemmon, who offends nobody and will likely appear on more ballots.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 0:49:44 GMT
Newman and Lemmon were 1-2 the last time we did this so I could see that again - the actors have a lot of mitigating factors though, and much of the success in our poll I'm afraid comes down to actors not acting - Hackman and Nicholson retiring, DDL being so selective........eventually you're praising actors for not acting at all but whatever, I think I'm a week early for this rant.
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Post by stephen on Aug 6, 2018 0:54:36 GMT
Newman and Lemmon were 1-2 the last time we did this so I could see that again - the actors have a lot of mitigating factors though, and much of the success in our poll I'm afraid comes down to actors not acting - Hackman and Nicholson retiring, DDL being so selective........eventually you're praising actors for not acting at all but whatever, I think I'm a week early for this rant. Eh, I think that you have to judge it based on the performances given, not the prolific nature of their careers or whether or not they decided to retire rather than act until they dropped dead. DDL and Hackman's retirements don't negate the work they did, and bemoaning "missed opportunities" feels like an attempt to handicap them in some way, as if they owe the world of acting their continued presence. The candle that burns twice as brightly burns half as long, and so forth. Besides, we're all kidding ourselves here. Harry Dean Stanton deserves to be #1, and I doubt he's even gonna make the grade. Richard Attenborough, ditto.
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Post by getclutch on Aug 6, 2018 1:26:14 GMT
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Post by DeepArcher on Aug 6, 2018 1:47:47 GMT
Mean Streets Raging Bull The Deer Hunter The Godfather: Part II Goodfellas
Though his best films are Once Upon a Time in America and Heat ... and Brazil, which isn't so much a "Robert De Niro film", but still worth mentioning, especially as it's up there with his best performances, leaving a great impact with such a small role.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Aug 6, 2018 2:07:13 GMT
fine actor, but way too overpraised.
1. Taxi Driver 2. The King of Comedy 3. The Deer Hunter 4. Goodfellas 5. Raging Bull
1-2 are great, 3-4 are very good, 5 would be utterly soulless if not for the last 20 minutes but those last 20 minutes are more than enough to get it on this list
most overrated - Cape Fear, Heat, Godfather II most underrated - Casino
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Post by cheesecake on Aug 6, 2018 2:22:18 GMT
Awakenings Goodfellas The Deer Hunter Once Upon a Time in America The King of Comedy
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 6, 2018 3:24:42 GMT
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Interesting that most of us are including the same 6-7 perfs. I wanna mention Hi Mom! too which I don't expect to make anybody's list but is De Niro in an early and rare mode - where he's hilarious, loose, and goofy. There's splashes of that perf in Rupert Pupkin, in terms of the characters' lightly insane and performative qualities, even when they're alone, craving for attention/art, etc. Pupkin perf is better of course, more fully formed and detailed. De Niro's character is more sketchy and slapstick in Hi Mom! but there are several scenes where he's quite playful, even relatable, and laugh out loud funny. "I'd like a four minute egg, no sooner, no faster."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 3:39:20 GMT
The Deer Hunter The Godfather: Part II The King of Comedy Raging Bull Taxi Driver
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 5:07:53 GMT
Newman and Lemmon were 1-2 the last time we did this so I could see that again - the actors have a lot of mitigating factors though, and much of the success in our poll I'm afraid comes down to actors not acting - Hackman and Nicholson retiring, DDL being so selective........eventually you're praising actors for not acting at all but whatever, I think I'm a week early for this rant. I'm aware of Newman and Lemmon being 1-2 last time. But obviously I'm making a prediction that that won't repeat. It could very well, but my money is on DDL right now. I think he "gained" the most from the last time, due to the aura around his "perfect resume" getting even stronger in the last years. People think of him as the guy that pops up just a give a legendary performance and we don't hear about him for 4 years, and then that repeats every leap cycle. Anyways, I know ya'll won't necessary agree with me, but we're debating a matter of 2-3 spots up and down for any of those 8 or 9 guys at the top..... it's anyone's guess. I think Newman definitely has a strong chance to be #1. DeNiro has a solid chance too.... depending on who votes. Lemmon is not gonna slip far though. Brando I think will slip a bit....to #6? #7?. And Hackman will the biggest gainer. And with the Denzel fanboys we have here.... and he's like 4 people's #1????..... who's to know if he'll be top 10. Frankly Denzel should be the winner or top 3 at worst (more reflective of his stature in the real world), though we all know he won't be. It was always kind of embarrassing how low he used to place in those polls back on IMDB, and the mental gymnastics people went through to justify not voting for him. The insecurity he brought up in some people was intense. Less intense these days, but you can still see some people are bewildered & bothered by everything I said about his eventual and all-time stature coming true, and then some. Funny to think he's now got a better Oscar record and general accolades than all but a handful of the likely winners (Only Newman and Nicholson have better Oscar records I think, and that won't last much longer in Newman's case). Anyway, I reckon DDL will have a good shot at winning.
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 6:12:12 GMT
Top 5 DeNiro
1 Raging Bull 2 Taxi Driver 3 Godfather Part 2 4 Once Upon A Time In America 5 Casino
What can one say....looking at my top 5 for him, it's hard to argue against DeNiro being the straight up king of thugs (King Of Comedy being the greatest outlier of his non-thug work, and would be in a top 10 if that were specified)
As brilliant as he was for the first half of his career, I find he's been an incredible and unfortunately prolific disappointment since the mid to late 90's or so. His commitment and intensity, the bedrock of his prowess, has been replaced by a journeyman actors clockpunching attitude, and the contrast is sharp. It might not be so bad if he wasn't so prolific, but he is. He's literally had a whole second career as a journeyman actor. Brando got lazy and uninspired in his acting as he aged, but he only showed up for 1 movie every couple of years when he needed the cash. DeNiro never stops working, and it's tarnished a his legacy.
I feel like the DeNiro of the 70's/80's would look at the DeNiro of the 2000's onwards and kind of feel shame and disappointment at how he ended up a property/restaurant mogul who put about 1/10th of the effort he used to into his actual acting.
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Post by mhynson27 on Aug 6, 2018 7:09:32 GMT
I still have a lot of the big ones to see for what it's worth:
1. Taxi Driver 2. Silver Linings Playbook 3. Goodfellas 4. Jackie Brown 5. Meet the Parents
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Post by cranly on Aug 6, 2018 7:26:18 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Aug 6, 2018 7:30:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 7:49:45 GMT
Jacknife Men of Honor Stone The Mission Awakenings
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 10:49:16 GMT
Frankly Denzel should be the winner, though we all know he won't be. It was always kind of embarrassing how low he used to place in those polls back on IMDB, and the mental gymnastics people went through to justify not voting for him. The insecurity he brought up in some people was intense. Funny to think he's now got a better Oscar record and general accolades than all but a handful of the likely winners (Only Newman and Nicholson have better Oscar records I think, and that won't last much longer in Newman's case). Anyway, I reckon DDL will have a good shot at winning. I'd agree with that. It's funny how people get riled up over him, and how heated Denzel threads get. And I agree with you on his nominations..... he's like the Newman and Nicholson of his period.... you can't find anyone currently who can touch that, certainly not. If it's any consolation.... I'd take Denzel over Nicholson, Lemmon, and Brando. Not sure about Hackman, Newman, and Hoffman.... maybe the top of the canon I'd take Denzel..... but overall filmography I'd have to rewatch all their movies. But... I still put Denzel behind DDL, Pacino, and DeNiro. It's just stronger feelings for them, I guess. I'd say it's not how riled up people get over him, it's rather how riled up people get over other people arguing on his behalf and whether he deserves to be held in that high esteem. Not in our poll that's just silly (but fun) stuff but in general. The implicit argument about Washington is if you don't overwhelmingly agree with his "success" and call him the GOAT you must be a racist, it's sly and hidden and not said but that's the clear implication. Those threads get heated because they are always in some level a response to the the same old thread - "Denzel's the greatest living actor!" or "Joe Carnahan says he's much better than anyone by far!!" and stuff like that.............but make that same thread about any male actor - DiCaprio for example - and you'd have people get riled up too over whether that's a legit claim. I am guessing you never have seen any threads on here like that for any other actor but him..........
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 11:05:05 GMT
I'd agree with that. It's funny how people get riled up over him, and how heated Denzel threads get. And I agree with you on his nominations..... he's like the Newman and Nicholson of his period.... you can't find anyone currently who can touch that, certainly not. If it's any consolation.... I'd take Denzel over Nicholson, Lemmon, and Brando. Not sure about Hackman, Newman, and Hoffman.... maybe the top of the canon I'd take Denzel..... but overall filmography I'd have to rewatch all their movies. But... I still put Denzel behind DDL, Pacino, and DeNiro. It's just stronger feelings for them, I guess. I'd say it's not how riled up people get over him, it's rather how riled up people get over other people arguing on his behalf and whether he deserves to be held in that high esteem. Not in our poll that's just silly (but fun) stuff but in general. The implicit argument about Washington is if you don't overwhelmingly agree with his "success" and call him the GOAT you must be a racist, it's sly and hidden and not said but that's the clear implication. Those threads get heated because they are always in some level a response to the the same old thread - "Denzel's the greatest living actor!" or "Joe Carnahan says he's much better than anyone by far!!" and stuff like that.............but make that same thread about any male actor - DiCaprio for example - and you'd have people get riled up too over whether that's a legit claim. I am guessing you never have seen any threads on here like that for any other actor but him.......... Your being disingenuous,which is par for the course when it comes to Washington. The way Washington 'riled people up on IMDB'Oscar Buzz when ever he was brought up in regards to almost anything was symptomatic of a deep seated racism and prejudice in that community. It was pretty sad, but also undeniable. Some people took advantage of that climate to further downplay Washington's standing, even though you could argue they weren't neccarily racist or prejudice themselves. But boy was it ugly. Now how much of that has crossed over to th is community is debatable. I like to believe people can grow and change, and no doubt some of the very worst racists and trolls didn't migrate here when IMDB died. But there is still an undercurrent of those old feelings about Washington that came from a pretty nasty place. And Pac, half the time you claim to find Washington nothing special, yet you've been in the thick of conversations about him since IMDB days ( and go to all his plays, and generally get more excited discussing him than any of your actual favorite actors). I've never considered you racist or prejudice, but I think you knew full well that was one of the big reasons people took against him on IMDB, and I don't think you found it especially bothersome. As long as he didn't get rated too highly by that crowd. But your motivations for not wanting Washington rated too highly happened to dovetail with those who took against him because they had Tea Party tendencies. So it kind of worked out for you (though since that forum is dead and fractured and this one carries far less influence,less so now).
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Post by pupdurcs on Aug 6, 2018 11:36:45 GMT
There was nothing sly or implicit about the racism surrounding Washington on IMDB either. It was very much in the open and I took a lot of pleasure going up against it.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 6, 2018 12:11:33 GMT
Well, I never mentioned the old IMDB days but here, like I said, no other actor gets those troll threads except him in his favor - people can use the Search function and see that's the case. Whether the racism was part of discussion on IMDB isn't really the point though, it's is the racism what makes him lower rated? That's the implication when discussing opinions and that's why it gets heated here. Look at the last reply: And Pac, half the time you claim to find Washington nothing special A flat out lie, like preposterously so - God forbid people read that believe - who's being insincere or dishonest there? Use the search function - see if you can find when I say that. yet you've been in the thick of conversations about him since IMDB days (and go to all his plays, and generally get more excited discussing him than any of your actual favorite actors). So the above is by definition incorrect and false by your own post in the very next sentence! As long as he didn't get rated too highly. But your motivations for not wanting Washington rated too highly happened to dovetail with those who took against him because they had Tea Party tendencies. So it kind of worked out for you (though since that forum is dead and fractured,less so now).Ah so it couldn't be that I've assessed him fairly, ranked him fairly, independent of those with Tea Party tendencies (hmmmmmm what's that implication?) That's why people get riled up over him on here now
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