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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 14:19:58 GMT
CNN's Jeffrey Toobin thinks the decision will be overturned in less than two years. Are you in agreement with him, or do you think the conservative court will chip away at it instead? Or, do you think it will remain safe? A graphic from NBC:
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 30, 2018 0:48:32 GMT
the thought that so nearly five decades of progress could be reversed because of a single presidential election is...depressing to say the least. I don't even want to think about honestly. I want to say "It's 2018 for fuck's sake!" but clearly that means nothing anymore. Scores of vile, backwards, small-minded, hateful, uncaring assholes continue to live in this country and now they have power. If Roe v. Wade gets overturned it truly will confirm what Hitchens wrote in 2007: Religion fucking poisons every fucking thing (paraphrased).
Feel terrible for the millions of women who might be affected by this.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jun 30, 2018 1:05:51 GMT
I'll also add how typical it would be for a religiously motivated decision like this to happen even without the support of voters (overturning Roe v. Wade barely has majority support among Republicans let alone any other political group), given religious individuals' tendency to try to dictate other people's morals and choices regardless of whether those morals and choices negatively affect others or society at large, and even in many cases where those choices are beneficial (attempts to obstruct stem cell research or sex education for example). It's this dictatorial tendency that's been with America ever since the Salem Witch Trials and this decision would confirm that even without majority support, it's still with us. What a bleak time to be non-religious in America.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 30, 2018 21:50:00 GMT
Don't worry, I'm sure McConnell will stick to the precedent he created under Obama and wait for the election so that the people can weigh in on this. He's an honest man.
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Post by hugobolso1 on Aug 26, 2018 3:56:22 GMT
Even Jane Roe (Norma McCorvey) was against it.
So clearly I'm against that stupid law, based in lies, and an reinterpretation of a C XVIII Amendment, based on the Middle Age Common Law.-
Million of unborn child were eliminated. Maybe more victims than the WWI and WWII combined.
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Post by Brother Fease on May 3, 2022 2:35:09 GMT
If this is true, then it might actually benefit the Democrats, if they play it right. Don't have much faith they will.
Also, if this is true, the Republicans will remove the filibuster, if they gain control of the House and Senate. Mark that down too.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 3, 2022 2:39:20 GMT
Jesus christ. Americans your country is a fucking mess.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 2:40:10 GMT
Brother Fease - I'm assuming their ultimate goal is to have a fetus be granted protection under the fourteenth amendment, which would make abortion illegal across the entire country.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 2:42:53 GMT
Jesus christ. Americans your country is a fucking mess. It's such an incredibly dark time. The electoral college has wreaked this upon the country.
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Post by stabcaesar on May 3, 2022 2:59:42 GMT
Jesus christ. Americans your country is a fucking mess. It's such an incredibly dark time. The electoral college has wreaked this upon the country I think we can be sure that Obergefell is next. Truly repulsive. I am disgusted beyond words.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 3:02:09 GMT
It's such an incredibly dark time. The electoral college has wreaked this upon the country I think we can be sure that Obergefell is next. Truly repulsive. I am disgueted beyond words. I'm honestly not sure they'd get anyone beyond Alito and Thomas for that, but nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Republicans. They are depraved and totally without honor.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 3:09:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 3:15:06 GMT
Barriers have been erected around the Supreme Court building as protesters gather outside...
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Post by quetee on May 3, 2022 3:21:29 GMT
Well, this is just the beginning. What else is next on the chopping block?
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2022 10:09:12 GMT
Hmmmmmmmm.......if true.........and I'm pro-choice so STFU on that issue: * First of all that leak is awful and that person should be held fully accountable. Will be interesting to see how that person is treated - as a "whistleblower" or an "insurrectionist"....that is LITERALLY usurping a political instiutution no? ......When has the SCOTUS had a leak like this? Rachel Maddow called it "rare" - I'd call it "unprecedented" * Second - how can anyone argue Donald Trump is not the most important person in - US politics since Reagan (?) at least - for good and A LOT more bad, he's shaped this country inevitably, irrevocably. And yeah...it might have been dumb "luck" but what he did to the courts and not just SCOTUS is going to be felt for generations..... * To show you how craven the Republican Party is, they worry the leak might blow what they actual vote will be in June.......the Democratic Party is so craven they are trying to structure it as a something that might "help them win in the midterms" .......which is quite grotesque ...... Bernie said this btw - wtf dude, you're going to legislate to usurp the Court's constitiutional power based on a Leak........? What if Ron DeSantis did that ...... ......GTFO ...............Our Constitutional Republic has utterly broken down Congress must pass legislation that codifies Roe v. Wade as the law of the land in this country NOW. And if there aren’t 60 votes in the Senate to do it, and there are not, we must end the filibuster to pass it with 50 votes.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on May 3, 2022 10:34:37 GMT
Wasn't Roe v Wade about the right to privacy? If overturned, couldn't this have massive implications beyond abortion?
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on May 3, 2022 10:37:26 GMT
Hmmmmmmmm.......if true.........and I'm pro-choice so STFU on that issue: * First of all that leak is awful and that person should be held fully accountable. Will be interesting to see how that person is treated - as a "whistleblower" or an "insurrectionist"....that is LITERALLY usurping a political instiutution no? ......When has the SCOTUS had a leak like this? Rachel Maddow called it "rare" - I'd call it "unprecedented" Why?
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2022 11:15:08 GMT
Hmmmmmmmm.......if true.........and I'm pro-choice so STFU on that issue: * First of all that leak is awful and that person should be held fully accountable. Will be interesting to see how that person is treated - as a "whistleblower" or an "insurrectionist"....that is LITERALLY usurping a political instiutution no? ......When has the SCOTUS had a leak like this? Rachel Maddow called it "rare" - I'd call it "unprecedented" Why? Well, obviously (to me) the person who leaked that - and it was quite an overt act of "leaking" not a "mistake or something overheard" is either a law clerk - or (God Forbid) a sitting member OF the Court .......Now you can argue what "fully accountable" means .......and let's assume - for the sake of our collective sanity that it was JUST a law clerk but the act itself is insane, an aggressive act of self-delusion - the Court is - and needs to be - above the leak but the leak itself is obscene ......the Court is a 3rd branch of power - it is expressly governed by Law not by poiitical concerns or our "democracy" at all......it's an extension of our unbiased Constitutional Republic - the leak is a subversion of their Judicial Power......
"It’s not easy to divine what these elite young barristers might be telling their bosses. The clerks, who are handpicked each year, are sworn to secrecy from Day One, and almost always keep that vow until their justice is off the bench or dies."
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-court-clerks/insight-the-secret-keepers-meet-the-u-s-supreme-court-clerks-idUSBRE85D17120120614
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Post by Joaquim on May 3, 2022 12:08:21 GMT
pacinoyes is the only one understanding the magnitude of what just happened here that everyone else is ignoring, including people on the right celebrating Roe being overturned. A Supreme Court opinion got leaked and calling it insurrection is not much of a stretch. If January 6 was an insurrection on the political system, you can certainly say what happened here is an insurrection on the legal system, and unlike January 6, a successful insurrection. The Supreme Court will never recover from this, whether or not that’s a good/bad thing is a separate discussion. This completely destroys the inner workings of the Court. This goes beyond this case, or abortion, or whichever rulings people may think are on the chopping block next, nor do the motives for leaking even really matter at this point. It’s all been overshadowed by this leak. Doesn’t matter if this was a gun rights case or some petty lawsuit, I can not overstate the significance of a Supreme Court opinion being leaked like this
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on May 3, 2022 12:46:02 GMT
Well, obviously (to me) the person who leaked that - and it was quite an overt act of "leaking" not a "mistake or something overheard" is either a law clerk - or (God Forbid) a sitting member OF the Court .......Now you can argue what "fully accountable" means .......and let's assume - for the sake of our collective sanity that it was JUST a law clerk but the act itself is insane, an aggressive act of self-delusion - the Court is - and needs to be - above the leak but the leak itself is obscene ......the Court is a 3rd branch of power - it is expressly governed by Law not by poiitical concerns or our "democracy" at all......it's an extension of our unbiased Constitutional Republic - the leak is a subversion of their Judicial Power......
"It’s not easy to divine what these elite young barristers might be telling their bosses. The clerks, who are handpicked each year, are sworn to secrecy from Day One, and almost always keep that vow until their justice is off the bench or dies."
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-court-clerks/insight-the-secret-keepers-meet-the-u-s-supreme-court-clerks-idUSBRE85D17120120614
Didn't Kavanaugh and Gorsuch say Roe was a settled issue? Lying about this to the American public to overturn a ruling the majority are in favour of, which has further implications (contraception, gay marriage, anti-sodomy laws) seems like something worth leaking, imo. The US has already been regarded as falling into democratic backsliding, so the leak - whistleblowing on the erosion of human rights by the state that had previously been guaranteed for decades - was understandable and necessary, even if it was a breach of their oath to secrecy.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2022 12:48:40 GMT
Lord_Buscemi - Amy Coney Barrett said this to the American people, as well. This Supreme Court has totally thrown precedent out the window, so the leak should be of no surprise to anyone within.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 3, 2022 13:16:52 GMT
Well, obviously (to me) the person who leaked that - and it was quite an overt act of "leaking" not a "mistake or something overheard" is either a law clerk - or (God Forbid) a sitting member OF the Court .......Now you can argue what "fully accountable" means .......and let's assume - for the sake of our collective sanity that it was JUST a law clerk but the act itself is insane, an aggressive act of self-delusion - the Court is - and needs to be - above the leak but the leak itself is obscene ......the Court is a 3rd branch of power - it is expressly governed by Law not by poiitical concerns or our "democracy" at all......it's an extension of our unbiased Constitutional Republic - the leak is a subversion of their Judicial Power......
"It’s not easy to divine what these elite young barristers might be telling their bosses. The clerks, who are handpicked each year, are sworn to secrecy from Day One, and almost always keep that vow until their justice is off the bench or dies."
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-court-clerks/insight-the-secret-keepers-meet-the-u-s-supreme-court-clerks-idUSBRE85D17120120614
Didn't Kavanaugh and Gorsuch say Roe was a settled issue? Lying about this to the American public to overturn a ruling the majority are in favour of, which has further implications (contraception, gay marriage, anti-sodomy laws) seems like something worth leaking, imo. The US has already been regarded as falling into democratic backsliding, so the leak - whistleblowing on the erosion of human rights by the state that had previously been guaranteed for decades - was understandable and necessary, even if it was a breach of their oath to secrecy. You're not a US citizen iirc (?) - so the US nuance may be lost on you........I dunno, but it seems that way to me - not that you don't have a right to an opinion, I'm just saying it's misguided. * Neither of us knows what Kavanaugh would say now about that or how he'd differentiate between what he said vs. how he votes. Saying he was "lying" is a fiction - you don't know that at all - the world ...........and especially the world of the Law is much more complicated than that simple deduction you came to. * The answer to this as part of the US Constitutional democracratic republic - is to win elections. local, state wide. national and Presidential........that's it. Am I saying, I agree with the decision ( if the leak is true) - no.........but none of this matters along as long as you win elections. * This is not whistleblowing because it can not have ANY postive reaction - the Left (sadly) does this constantly - redefines words so they lose all meaning - it is rather a petty act of sabotage - that by definition can not work in America: trying to overthrow a Constitutional Republic institution ......this foolish argument - the one that Sanders unbelievably made actually - is a losing argument also (and quite stupid one too in his case) - you are not going to overthrow a segment of the Constitutional Republic........ on January 6th or May 2nd. That's all I'm saying.........the Court won't yield to public will and indeed by definition CAN NOT, their obligation is merely to the(ir) (interpretation of) Law.........and as for the other issues you raised contraception, gay marriage etc. ...............again.......... Win elections.............. Vote. ........
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on May 3, 2022 13:31:30 GMT
Well, this is just the beginning. What else is next on the chopping block? Gay marriage will be next. Mark it down.
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