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Post by stephen on Jun 25, 2018 17:21:26 GMT
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Post by wattsnew on Nov 7, 2018 1:05:25 GMT
Wow! Transformative!
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Nov 7, 2018 1:42:31 GMT
Holy crap!
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Post by wattsnew on Feb 22, 2019 4:34:25 GMT
Emmy!
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Post by wattsnew on Apr 12, 2019 0:42:49 GMT
Holy shit, what a transformation! She's totally winning an Emmy.
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 12, 2019 1:29:18 GMT
Wasn't paying attention to this project but Stephen Frears is directing a couple eps so now I am!!! No trades have reported on his involvement yet and he's only listed for 1 ep on IMDb right now but it's gotta be at least 2 or 3.... Having just done (the great) A Very English Scandal for Amazon, wish he woulda did The Hunt instead (oh well) but this is fine, he almost always gets strong work from actors and we have Crowe and Watts in meaty roles. Frears getting his numbers up for our future thread Best Director Across Film/TV/Stage
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Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2019 1:50:49 GMT
Frears's involvement makes this potentially very promising indeed. Really hoping for Rusty to make a run at an Emmy - guy needs an awards comeback.
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Post by wattsnew on Apr 12, 2019 2:18:55 GMT
I wouldn't trust IMDB with that information about Frears yet - for example, it lists 8 episodes when the article claims it's only 7 episodes.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Apr 12, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
Holy shit, what a transformation! She's totally winning an Emmy. Are you talking about Watts or Miller?
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 12, 2019 16:39:43 GMT
It's impressive how many Hollywood stars and auteurs have decided to work for television in the last 5 years. And I don't mean making movies for Netflix, but taking part in episodic TV.
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2019 16:44:08 GMT
It's impressive how many Hollywood stars and auteurs have decided to work for television in the last 5 years. And I don't mean making movies for Netflix, but taking part in episodic TV. For actors, I feel like the major turning point was the success of Big Little Lies. I mean their had been other shows that attracted movie stars for a duration (ie True Detective). But it wasn't till Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon made Big Little Lies a sort of television phenom, that every movie actor going decided to sign up to their own series.
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Post by TerryMontana on Apr 12, 2019 16:57:12 GMT
It's impressive how many Hollywood stars and auteurs have decided to work for television in the last 5 years. And I don't mean making movies for Netflix, but taking part in episodic TV. For actors, I feel like the major turning point was the success of Big Little Lies. I mean their had been other shows that attracted movie stars for a duration (ie True Detective). But it wasn't till Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon made Big Little Lies a sort of television phenom, that every movie actor going decided to sign up to their own series. To me, the turning point was House of Cards, not only starring Spacey and Wright but also having Foley and Fincher directing. Short after that it was True detective and Fargo. The latter had the Coens involved also. And let's not forget that earlier than all these, Scorsese had directed the pilot for Boardwalk empire and Michael Mann directed Luck (maybe the first series starring an actor of Dustin Hoffman's caliber).
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Post by pacinoyes on Apr 12, 2019 17:02:10 GMT
I always say the same thing that Luck was a sadly unsuccessful show and one that shows try to avoid by hitting hard in the opening storylines - Luck didn't get good until episode 4 iirc.........and just when it was getting great it was pulled. Despite the stuff about the horses dying it also cost a fortune to makes and didn't get good rating. It was the first show ever (as far as I know) to feature a 2 time BA winner and that work was his best since Rain Man .......very sad what happened to Dustin and how it happened too .........I'd also say Glenn Close in Damages pre-dates Spacey and Hoffman with a jump to series TV btw.
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Post by Viced on Apr 12, 2019 17:12:40 GMT
And ya know what pre-dates Glenn Close in Damages?
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2019 17:51:50 GMT
For actors, I feel like the major turning point was the success of Big Little Lies. I mean their had been other shows that attracted movie stars for a duration (ie True Detective). But it wasn't till Nicole Kidman and Reese Witherspoon made Big Little Lies a sort of television phenom, that every movie actor going decided to sign up to their own series. To me, the turning point was House of Cards, not only starring Spacey and Wright but also having Foley and Fincher directing. Short after that it was True detective and Fargo. The latter had the Coens involved also. And let's not forget that earlier than all these, Scorsese had directed the pilot for Boardwalk empire and Michael Mann directed Luck (maybe the first series starring an actor of Dustin Hoffman's caliber). Like I said, movie stars have done TV before. But I did not notice anywhere near the onslaught of A-listers (Julia Roberts, George Clooney, Crowe, Blanchett etc) decide to sign up for TV till Big Little Lies. Within 6 months of that show, every movie star going seemed to be signing up for their own series, or inking a deal with a network. or streaming service. Never seen anything like it. Emma Stone literally said in an interview while promoting her own TV show Maniac, that if TV were good enough for Nicole Kidman, it's good enough for her. The impact of Big Little Lies and the fact Witherspoon and Kidman were still perceived as movie A-listers, made a difference in a way those other shows did not. Big Little Lies also happened right at the start of the streaming wars where competition for TV content became fierce, so it became a tipping point for many movie stars who once would never see themselves in any kind of series. It was a confluence of time and events that made Big Little Lies the game changer, but I think it was the game changer for many movie stars to say, "fuck it, episodic TV may actually be a good career move to compliment my film career, as opposed to an admission that my movie career is over".
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Post by Mattsby on Apr 12, 2019 17:54:45 GMT
I wouldn't trust IMDB with that information about Frears yet - for example, it lists 8 episodes when the article claims it's only 7 episodes. I couldn't find any confirmation online but the producer Jason Blum tweeted a pic of Frears on set directing so that was good enough for me.
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Post by wattsnew on Apr 12, 2019 22:36:47 GMT
I wouldn't trust IMDB with that information about Frears yet - for example, it lists 8 episodes when the article claims it's only 7 episodes. I couldn't find any confirmation online but the producer Jason Blum tweeted a pic of Frears on set directing so that was good enough for me. Oh I did not see that! Wonderful.
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Post by wattsnew on Apr 12, 2019 22:49:15 GMT
And ya know what pre-dates Glenn Close in Damages? She's always been ahead of the curve! But I have to laugh at the claim that Big Little Lies was the cause of every A-lister moving into television. Like others mentioned, there was Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright in House of Cards and then the catalyst was McConaughey and Harrelson in True Detective. That was the moment the Hollywood stars started to make their move. Big Little Lies was just another case of Nicole desperately trying to be Naomi Watts. She saw that her dear friend had worked with Jean-Marc Vallée which made her furious with jealousy, and THEN saw that she was going to television to do her own Netflix show and a reboot of Twin Peaks, which was just too much for her. So she made them change the BLL film into a television show. The show was eventually a huge hit because of the wonderful acting and smart producing Reese Witherspoon did, but let's not change history here and say it was a turning point.
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Post by wattsnew on Apr 12, 2019 22:53:25 GMT
Holy shit, what a transformation! She's totally winning an Emmy. Are you talking about Watts or Miller?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 23:01:29 GMT
And ya know what pre-dates Glenn Close in Damages? She's always been ahead of the curve! So true -
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Post by pupdurcs on Apr 12, 2019 23:06:51 GMT
And ya know what pre-dates Glenn Close in Damages? Big Little Lies was just another case of Nicole desperately trying to be Naomi Watts. She saw that her dear friend had worked with Jean-Marc Vallée which made her furious with jealousy, and THEN saw that she was going to television to do her own Netflix show and a reboot of Twin Peaks, which was just too much for her. So she made them change the BLL film into a television show. The show was eventually a huge hit because of the wonderful acting and smart producing Reese Witherspoon did, but let's not change history here and say it was a turning point. Umm...quite an active imagination you have there!
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Post by Zeb31 on Apr 13, 2019 16:21:02 GMT
I hope this actually does its job and tears Ailes and Fox News apart the way McKay thought he did with Vice but didn't even come close to.
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Post by stephen on Apr 13, 2019 16:37:57 GMT
I hope this actually does its job and tears Ailes and Fox News apart the way McKay thought he did with Vice but didn't even come close to. Indeed, but with that said, I do want them to treat all the characters as human beings, not just as thin caricatures like McKay's film did. I want to understand and explore the psychology behind their actions. I feel like Bale really tried to do that with his Cheney (and despite McKay holding him back, damn near succeeded).
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Apr 14, 2019 13:03:36 GMT
I was amazed at the pure maliciousness and hypocrisy of Fox News when I was in the US for the first time over a decade ago, watching O'Reilly and others. And this material has big potential to explore what went on in America culturally over the last few decades and how it affected its society and politics. But I have still some reservations about this project. You need artists who are willing and able to look beyond the obvious to get to the core of the truth, to tell something elemental about us humans, like Coppola did with reaching beyond Vietnam or Herzog with creating Grizzly Man, which is so much more than just what it appears to be, or Morris with Gates of Heaven. I mean, you can't always expect a masterpiece, but there are a lot of potential pratfalls with this series, and reading the THR profile, you can feel they're aware of some of them while at other times there still remain some question marks. Here are a few excerpts: Mmmh. Interesting, but too soon? The THR article makes it clear the sexual harassment stuff is just part of the narrative, which I think is the right decision, but is it even that important to understand what went wrong in the American media world over the years, other than trying to illuminate what kind of guy Ailes was? I mean, it obviously is part of the story and should be told, but there are a hundred more important things going on with this material that are important for how the media landscape shaped the American psyche, and considering the high profile casting of Naomi Watts, I don't buy it yet that this whole matter won't factor very, very prominently into the narrative. Also, you can already grasp at how they're going to portray Carlson as this victim character, which she was in regards to how he treated her (and others). But she's no idiot, she was part of Fox News for years, knowing how they've worked and how they've pushed their agenda. She's part of all that bullshit that is/should be the focal point of this story. She's complicit in it. And I hope they have the guts to portray her that way also. And here comes the complaint I've talked about over and over again, sounding like a lunatic. But I don't understand why those guys just don't hire ONE director to do all the episodes for a limited series, other than to streamline the production schedule and maybe save some time and money. Maybe McCarthy would have done it. Hell, Skogland is certainly capable to do this all on her own. Or even better Frears. I don't get it, from a creative standpoint, when you work on something like this, that clearly has one arc to tell over a limited amount of episodes, it's better to do it with one directorial vision behind it, the way Vallee or Fukunaga proofed it. Michael f_cking Mann was part of this! I had no idea. That's problematic and it shows that they're not so brave like the way they're acting. I wonder how Murdoch The Elder is ultimately going to be portrayed in this. He's the guy behind the curtain, not just in the US, but all over the english speaking world and his influence over the political/societal climate over the years can't be overstated. Ailes is nothing compared to the power and influence of Murdoch and the team behind this show seemingly kissing the asses of that family rubs me the wrong way. Crowe, a great actor when he wants to be, has the right attitude. I hope they don't undermine him the way the Vice team did with Bale, as stephen mentioned (haven't yet seen the film myself). www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/russell-crowe-showtime-tackle-rise-fall-roger-ailes-1200329
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