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Post by iheartamyadams on Jun 1, 2019 19:22:17 GMT
So Damon gets first billing because he is the lead or bigger star or both? He’s bigger and has been a star for a lot longer.
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Post by mrimpossible on Jun 2, 2019 1:01:07 GMT
So Damon gets first billing because he is the lead or bigger star or both? He’s bigger and has been a star for a lot longer. Bigger now? Bale was Batman and just recently got nominated and won Golden Globe.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Jun 2, 2019 5:20:34 GMT
He’s bigger and has been a star for a lot longer. Bigger now? Bale was Batman and just recently got nominated and won Golden Globe. Being Batman doesn’t mean much when he still can’t draw on his own. Despite a rough 2017, Damon is a box office draw and has been a str for a lot longer. His top billing here should come as a surprise to no one.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 2, 2019 13:25:13 GMT
So, let's pretend all the movies we discuss in this board do make it to the Oscar nods. Is Damon and Bale both leads in this movie? Is Bale going to the supporting lot? Is Brad Pitt a lead or supporting in OUATIH? Is Hanks a lead in ABDITN or not?
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 2, 2019 14:07:44 GMT
So, let's pretend all the movies we discuss in this board do make it to the Oscar nods. Is Damon and Bale both leads in this movie? Is Bale going to the supporting lot? Is Brad Pitt a lead or supporting in OUATIH? Is Hanks a lead in ABDITN or not? Well, the 3 names you've heard for a long time in supporting are guys who are playing exactly to their defined stereotypes : Pitt is playing cool and sexy (or something like that), Hanks is playing nice, Pacino is playing Hoffa which means he's going to yell (a whole lot). I suppose Hanks, Bale or Pacino (theoretically) could go in lead if they are even worthy but that seems to be counter-intuitive.........I don't think Pitt can go lead because he'd be guaranteed to lose that as far as I can tell. People need to go back and read those OUATIH reviews.........those are not Oscar winning performance comments, they're "Brad Pitt and Leo are real stars and dreamy!" comments..........nods maybe yes but not wins, though you could maybe get Pitt a career supporting win with a very shrewd campaign.
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Post by mrimpossible on Jun 2, 2019 14:35:02 GMT
Bigger now? Bale was Batman and just recently got nominated and won Golden Globe. Being Batman doesn’t mean much when he still can’t draw on his own. Despite a rough 2017, Damon is a box office draw and has been a str for a lot longer. His top billing here should come as a surprise to no one. Damon box office draw? Downsizing flopped... Bale is known by most and respected more than Damon.
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Post by iheartamyadams on Jun 2, 2019 15:42:58 GMT
Being Batman doesn’t mean much when he still can’t draw on his own. Despite a rough 2017, Damon is a box office draw and has been a str for a lot longer. His top billing here should come as a surprise to no one. Damon box office draw? Downsizing flopped... Bale is known by most and respected more than Damon. Damon was was paid 25 million for The Martian, a huge hit, and 26 million for the last Bourne film, a series that he’s carry to huge success over the years. He’s been collecting 20+ million per film for at least a decade now, and that kind of non-Netflix pay speaks volumes to his industry rep as far as star power is concerned. Bale may be more respected at this point, I wouldn’t argue that, but he still has zero hits as the biggest name that he’s carried to success. He can get top billing if he’s a clear lead, but not against a co-lead who has had more box office success. Kind of hard to convince of draw power when your only lead hits are Batman and American Hustle.
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Post by fiosnasiob on Jun 2, 2019 16:25:57 GMT
Not easy to tell who is really bigger right now, Bale has been Batman but being Batman doesn't means much (even less so when it's a Nolan's Batman), people have been Batman before and after and it didn't made keaton or Kilmer instant box office champs, far from it actually. I give more credits to Damon for being the original Jason Bourne (and both directors, Greengrass and Liman BO's results before doing Bourne were close to 0). Outside of their franchises, neither are proven, consistant BO draws, both have flops, tend to do good BO when associated with others big stars/directors or more safe projects with almost garanteed BO success.
Now Bale has been nominated for 4 acting oscars and won 1 during this decade, so I think he's the more respected actor and carries more prestiges on his shoulders than Damon (who was more respected/relevant as an actor in the early 00's than he's now imho.).
I probably give the edge to Bale right now but both have pros and huge cons.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 2, 2019 17:28:32 GMT
So, let's pretend all the movies we discuss in this board do make it to the Oscar nods. Is Damon and Bale both leads in this movie? Is Bale going to the supporting lot? Is Brad Pitt a lead or supporting in OUATIH? Is Hanks a lead in ABDITN or not? Well, the 3 names you've heard for a long time in supporting are guys who are playing exactly to their defined stereotypes : Pitt is playing cool and sexy (or something like that), Hanks is playing nice, Pacino is playing Hoffa which means he's going to yell (a whole lot). I suppose Hanks, Bale or Pacino (theoretically) could go in lead if they are even worthy but that seems to be counter-intuitive.........I don't think Pitt can go lead because he'd be guaranteed to lose that as far as I can tell. People need to go back and read those OUATIH reviews.........those are not Oscar winning performance comments, they're "Brad Pitt and Leo are real stars and dreamy!" comments..........nods maybe yes but not wins, though you could maybe get Pitt a career supporting win with a very shrewd campaign. Pacino could never go lead, he's supposedly playing just in the second half of the movie. Pitt could but I don't think he will. As for Bale, we'll have to wait and see. Up to now, I guess he and Damon are both leads. The reviews for Pitt are not talking about an Oscar wining performance? Ok, maybe not. But if Al's gonna shout a lot, would that be Oscar wining? He's done that a lot in his career
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 2, 2019 17:55:55 GMT
Well let's just say - I didn't read one review that lead me to believe Brad Pitt gives anywhere near a "great" performance in OUATIH - not one - but it'll make a bazillion dollars and just being charismatic with a good campaign may be enough to win, he's a likable guy. As for Pacino, well he's got an Oscar, and there's no need to give the most awarded American actor ever in the Triple Crown another one at 79 years of age unless The Irishman is really "that" great. I mean I'd love it, but I'm not sure there's a need there.....if he wins another Oscar that would be him winning the Triple Crown 2 times over when no other living American male has it once.......they don't have to go there I think. I know they don't think like that but there's other guys to reward.... .........and that's all my long way of saying........in Supporting......it may actually be Dafoe's year - a guy on a crazy hot streak in general (again, sight unseen but if he's worthy for The Last Thing He Wanted maybe)
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 2, 2019 18:48:17 GMT
Well let's just say - I didn't read one review that lead me to believe Brad Pitt gives anywhere near a "great" performance in OUATIH - not one - but it'll make a bazillion dollars and just being charismatic with a good campaign may be enough to win, he's a likable guy. As for Pacino, well he's got an Oscar, and there's no need to give the most awarded American actor ever in the Triple Crown another one at 79 years of age unless The Irishman is really "that" great. I mean I'd love it, but I'm not sure there's a need there.....if he wins another Oscar that would be him winning the Triple Crown 2 times over when no other living American male has it once.......they don't have to go there I think. I know they don't think like that but there's other guys to reward.... .........and that's all my long way of saying........in Supporting......it may actually be Dafoe's year - a guy on a crazy hot streak in general (again, sight unseen but if he's worthy for The Last Thing He Wanted maybe) That was another thought: Will Dafoe be supporting? How sure is that? And also, if the Pope gets released this year (fingers crossed) who's gonna be the lead? Both of them? I know we'll have to have and see. Just thinking...
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Post by Lubezki on Jun 3, 2019 0:46:47 GMT
this looks fucking ace tbh
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Post by getclutch on Jun 3, 2019 2:27:28 GMT
Looks pretty good, and honestly the scenes with the crashes look dope too.
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Post by Leo_The_Last on Jun 3, 2019 2:39:54 GMT
Looks fine, but I have my doubts about it going to be a big awards contender. Looks more like a prestige mainstream flick, which is fine as far as I'm concerned, but without a "social message" behind it (Green Book), these days, I don't think so. I like Mangold though and would be pleasantly surprised about it. Needs to make some money too. No Rush comparisons so far?
Damon looks solid, but not as showy as Bale, who seems to be co-lead (but category fraud is sadly no problem anymore for most voters). Depends on the competition, but Bale looks like a contender.
As for the De Niro/Bale shapeshifter discussion from earlier, I think those two guys are apart from the obvious totally different kind of actors. And while I agree that De Niro used this method to great effect in his prime, and lost a tool when he couldn't do it anymore, I don't even think it's what primarily makes/made him such a great actor or why he didn't deliver more great performances in recent years. But that's a different discussion.
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Post by jakesully on Jun 3, 2019 2:51:26 GMT
Looks extremely good and could be a big awards contender too. Loving the interactions between Damon & Bale in the trailer. And I esp liked the ending to the trailer.
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Post by Pavan on Jun 3, 2019 6:33:50 GMT
Really good trailer. Looks like Bale's got a meatier role.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jun 5, 2019 16:06:21 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jun 6, 2019 19:26:18 GMT
I actually think it looks pretty promising. I think Damon and Bale are both pretty lacking in the charisma department, but nevertheless I found that a compelling trailer.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jun 7, 2019 1:24:26 GMT
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Jul 25, 2019 3:11:43 GMT
somehow I missed this trailer, but tbh I wasn't missing much. This looks like standard prestige biopic fare to me with some fast cars thrown in, hopefully better than average with Mangold helming (he's more than proved himself) but I'm not seeing much here to write home about. Giving me Rush vibes a bit, which I don't like at all. I mean, it's going to sound really good. Rush sounded really good too. I guess I'm most excited for the sound. And the crashes. Who doesn't love a good car crash.
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Post by Lubezki on Sept 15, 2019 13:08:40 GMT
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 15, 2019 15:34:29 GMT
So Bale is gonna get an Oscar nod just for playing himself???
Anyway, I guess I'm really going to like this movie!
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Post by Pavan on Sept 15, 2019 17:00:16 GMT
Now that's a trailer.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Sept 15, 2019 17:25:00 GMT
So Bale is gonna get an Oscar nod just for playing himself??? Anyway, I guess I'm really going to like this movie! Well... if Leo can win one for basically being himself albeit through a ringer ... 😉
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Post by TerryMontana on Sept 15, 2019 17:36:14 GMT
So Bale is gonna get an Oscar nod just for playing himself??? Anyway, I guess I'm really going to like this movie! Well... if Leo can win one for basically being himself albeit through a ringer ... 😉 If you're talking about his win for the Revenant, I really hated that film and almost everything in it (except from Tom Hardy), so I agree. Not that Leo wasn't good in this film, though...
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