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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 6, 2018 20:31:25 GMT
Nothing gets me to the cinema like a Jurassic film, as nothing brings out the big kid in me like a dinosaur. I will admit that heading into this one, my expectations for a Jurassic installment had never been lower, and its fair to say that they were comfortably exceeded. It was so far from the bad film I expected based on the awful trailers. I will say, it's far from a great or even quite good film too. What it has going for it more than anything else are brilliant action set pieces and fantastic visual effects, and a new and genuinely cool and intimidating GM dinosaur. In terms of plot, well who cares really, I wasn't expecting one, and what I got was a rehash of The Lost World in a similar way to how World was a rehash of Park. The dialogue was often clunky and the performances were almost universally dull and uninspired, but who cares really....well I guess plenty of people will, I'm just not one of them. As action adventure films go, this is a thrill ride and was worth the price of admission. 6/10
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jun 6, 2018 20:41:26 GMT
My most anticipated film of the last years and it was a let down. While "Jurassic World" was a great reboot/sequel and an absolute nostalic flashback this sequel had nothing of that and was just more or less milking the cow. Now don't get me wrong, its far from an awful movie but it is sad that it had so much potential and opportunities and missed a lot of that. The opening scene was absolutely AMAZING. I was thinking, wow this one will be stunning. Unfortunately that did not last long. The first half of the film was really rushed. No time for character development or even action development. It was like "okay we have done this stunt, now the next one ... quick!" The second half was better and served a nice setting for a Dino film ( kind of "Night at the Museum" atmosphere) One of the biggest reasons for why the film is not perfect is the really terrible screenplay. So many logic errors, so many loose ends. Not even a c-movie suffers from that. The only saving grace of the writing was the great development of Bryce Dallas Howard's character. While she was rather annoying and useless in the first part she really got something to do here and had some nice material to work with. Also her performance was quite tolerable. Chris Pratt however was boring and really uninteresting here. Justice Smith was a nice addition, while he appears to be annoying at first he really had some scene stealing moments. Daniella Pineda was also fine and it was good to see James Cromwell. Ted Levine was an absolute underdeveloped stereotype. Isabella Sermon was the absolute MVP in the acting area. Rafe Spall gave us an awful villain character. Poor performance. Toby Jones and Geraldine Chaplin were totally wasted. And dont get me started about this short and forgettable Jeff Goldblum cameo. Now to the most positive aspect: J.A. Bayona. He made the best out of the material and created a really amazing atmosphere. His images were absolutely great and he was able to create a true old fashioned monster movie. Really scary at times with some unforgettable scenes. The effects were also very good. I was a bit disappointed that the music score had almost no references to the original and not even to the first "Jurassic World" theme. That would have helped a lot. The editing was sometimes off. But the ending was really good and shows in what (potentially great) direction the third film will go. Its a nice watch and quite entertaining but missed the characteristics that made the other films so great.
8/10
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 6, 2018 20:49:41 GMT
Justice Smith was a nice addition, while he appears to be annoying at first he really had some scene stealing moments. I have to disagree here, I found him annoying from start to finish, but both the people I watched with said something similar to you.
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jun 6, 2018 20:58:43 GMT
Justice Smith was a nice addition, while he appears to be annoying at first he really had some scene stealing moments. I have to disagree here, I found him annoying from start to finish, but both the people I watched with said something similar to you. After the trailers and character description I expected the worst.. but I thought he was one of the better written characters and performers.
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Post by cherry68 on Jun 6, 2018 21:24:54 GMT
I'd like to see it with my kids. Is the 3D or 4 DX worth it, or I shouldn't bother?
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 6, 2018 21:32:02 GMT
I'd like to see it with my kids. Is the 3D worth it, or I shouldn't bother? I didn't bother with it myself, but I do recall thinking at least a few times that 3D would have added to the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 22:53:30 GMT
Okay, I know blockbusters are basically made for the international market nowadays, but isn't it kind of a fucking stupid move on Universal's part to put this out two weeks earlier than the U.S. when it's basically gonna be up online by the weekend? I mean, yeah, it'll still make an ass-ton of money over here, but TWO WEEKS?? Marvel does like one week which is still kinda dumb, but I like...I dunno, these studio releasing strategies makes my brain hurt. I do already have my tickets for the 22nd here so what the fuck am I even talking about.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 6, 2018 22:57:26 GMT
This is probably the sticking point for me. One of my biggest gripes with JP3 was how that movie dumbed it’s dinosaurs down to serial killer monsters, instead of majestic and believable animals, which kinda goes against Grant’s “They're not monsters, Lex. They're just animals.” And I’m getting the vibes from the trailers that they may be leaning right back to the monsters side.
So how do they play that?
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 7, 2018 8:12:48 GMT
This is probably the sticking point for me. One of my biggest gripes with JP3 was how that movie dumbed it’s dinosaurs down to serial killer monsters, instead of majestic and believable animals, which kinda goes against Grant’s “They're not monsters, Lex. They're just animals.” And I’m getting the vibes from the trailers that they may be leaning right back to the monsters side. So how do they play that? I suppose you could say there is an element of this in the film, but overall they actually make them believable and at times you feel real sympathy for them and they are shown to actually be emotional creatures on several occasions.
As usual, the Raptors, or Blue in particular are shown to be incredibly intelligent, and in this film extremely emotional and even capable or empathy towards humans. The 'Indoraptor' is probably the closest thing to a serial killer monster in the the film, but at the same time it was bred to be that, and it is so hyper intelligent that you couldn't accuse it of being nothing by a killing machine.
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Post by JangoB on Jun 7, 2018 8:53:13 GMT
When I was a kid, my two favorite things movie-wise were creature features and disaster movies, and it didn't really matter to me whether they were polished studio offerings or cheap C-level crapfests from Nu Image. I just dug these genres the most. Of course a lot has changed since then but I still have a bit of appreciation for fun and silly thrill-rides like that. For instance, I was pretty pleased to see Roger Ebert's 3.5/4 rating for "Anaconda" because he just saw that movie for what it was and was on board for the ride. I feel the same way about "Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom" - it is a spectacularly silly affair and certainly not a great piece of filmmaking, but as an entertaining schlockfest it absolutely delivered. It's quite fun that the movie starts where most movies of its kind would end - with an epic volcanic setpiece which combines the most popular trends of the 90s in one prolonged sequence which is highly entertaining. I appreciate that the movie then gets kind of smaller, eventually turning into a kind of a haunted mansion type of a film, with dinosaurs replacing the ghosts. Bayona's clearly having a lot of fun with it all and so did I as a viewer. And even though the visual ideas are mostly rather conventional, there are some quite memorable images and moments in the film - the huge underwater shadow in the beginning, the poor dino left behind on the volcanic island, the Indoraptor on top of the mansion with the moon behind it . And, unlike many reviewers, I felt that this didn't just repeat the same stuff the "Jurassic" franchise has been doing for a while now. Yes, there're still people running away from dinosaurs, for sure, but the film also had a bit of a different spirit to it which I can praise Bayona for. This is the first time in this franchise where I was able to totally let go of my fondest memories of the 1993 film and just appreciate the new stuff for what it is. I was reasonably entertained even though I didn't find it special, and I laughed quite a bit, sometimes with it and other times at it. There is a twist here that is so silly that it borders on stupid, and yet in this particular world the twist actually kinda makes sense, even though the sound of it is still ridiculous. And that twist allows for the ending to happen - had the girl not been a clone, her releasing the dinosaurs would've just been utterly stupid but with that new development I could actually kinda buy her doing that. And it's so damn funny - the film kinda treats this dinos being released into the world as something awe-inspiring (the music swells, the emotions are grandiose) and yet one of the first things we see them do is tear a man into pieces (even though he is the villain of the story, to them he's just meat). So it's hilarious to think that the same horrific fate probably awaits many more innocent people who don't have anything to do with the story at all. Awe-inspiring indeed So yeah, it's a fun ride as long as one doesn't take it soo seriously. The action and suspence sequences are fun, the effects are top-notch (a vast improvement over the Trevorrow film) and it has that silly B-movie vibe that is highly enjoyable. Not a great film but a good time at the movies, especially if you're able to appreciate these kind of ridiculous genre treats.
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Post by Pavan on Jun 7, 2018 9:29:39 GMT
I had mixed feelings about this. First i'll talk about what the film gets right. It's dark, genuinely thrilling and emotional at times. Bayona's direction is the main asset to the film. He creates an tense atmosphere that feels real. The film in parts feels like a horror thriller. The visuals are far better than the Jurassic World. I loved the shots of the lone dinosaur on the island and the Indoraptor standing over the mansion under moonlight and rain , this is stunning imagery. There are 3 additions to this time. I like the hot doctor and the small girl but the black kid was mildly annoying but this franchise has a knack for putting annoying characters in the middle of the action. The first half of the film is a roller coaster ride. Like a Bayona took a page of Spielberg book and imprinted it. Vfx work for the most part was great. Now coming to what the film did wrong. It's the totally uninspiring script. It got good intentions but it barely scratches the surface. In an adventure film the main motto is to drive the plot through adventure and thrill, while the first half does this right, it's the later half that doesn't. It stuck there for a while looking for directions of where it can go and when it does it took a messy route. The twist is kinda silly but it's also important for the resolution. This makes the experience as a whole, underwhelming. Daniella Pineda's is the only performance i liked here. Jeff Goldblum is restricted to a cameo. Great direction but subpar writing- 6.5/10
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Post by Pavan on Jun 7, 2018 9:37:25 GMT
I'm guessing you guys might have missed the post credit scene. Don't worry, it's not that revealing.
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Post by Pavan on Jun 7, 2018 9:54:33 GMT
Yo guys J.A. Bayona liked and retweeted my tweet on that Indoraptor shot
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Post by alexanderblanchett on Jun 7, 2018 20:29:19 GMT
Okay, I know blockbusters are basically made for the international market nowadays, but isn't it kind of a fucking stupid move on Universal's part to put this out two weeks earlier than the U.S. when it's basically gonna be up online by the weekend? I mean, yeah, it'll still make an ass-ton of money over here, but TWO WEEKS?? Marvel does like one week which is still kinda dumb, but I like...I dunno, these studio releasing strategies makes my brain hurt. I do already have my tickets for the 22nd here so what the fuck am I even talking about.
They did it because they did not want it to collide with the upcoming Soccer World Championship
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Post by ibbi on Jun 7, 2018 22:20:48 GMT
I thought Jurassic World was such a bad fucking movie, and while this one had its issues I liked it a LOT more. Perhaps that's partly because it seemed to embrace its stupidity a little bit more, and ultimately when it really comes down to it the whole thing is built around the exact same concept of the engineered dinosaur as the last one, and taking dinosaurs off the island like the first sequel way back when, but... Yeah, I really basically enjoyed it. The final act was stupid as hell, but it had earned enough good will for me to basically be with it. The key I think is that unlike that other idiot Bayona is a good director, and also they instilled the dinosaurs (always the main selling point) with more emotion than any of these have done before (that Pachy is one of the best movie characters of the year, and I'm glad they finally made a good use of those things).
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 22, 2018 1:56:17 GMT
It had some The Lost World stupids (and 3’s, in some cases), but it had Park heart and spirit. And the empathy, soul, and intelligence that they bring to these creatures - especially Blue, that sweet Pachy, and that horrifying Indoraptor (that smug smirk on its face was more personality than the Spino ever showed) - really elevated this movie. I wish Bayona had a better script to work off, because his sense of horror is great for the Jurassic Park brand. And I just took a look at the track names for Giacchino’s score. This man loves his puns too much.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 22, 2018 2:26:31 GMT
Have these movies retconned Isla Sorna? Activists And politicians talk about dinosaurs going extinct again after the volcano destroys the island, not seeming to realize that there’s a whole other island with many of those same dinos still alive and thriving (by extension, I’m guessing we’ve also abandoned their Lysine deficiency), and it isn’t even a secret since a Rex stormed through San Francisco. I mean, I’m not above those movies getting written out, but it’s just weird how that plays.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 22, 2018 11:19:44 GMT
It had some The Lost World stupids (and 3’s, in some cases), but it had Park heart and spirit. And the empathy, soul, and intelligence that they bring to these creatures - especially Blue, that sweet Pachy, and that horrifying IndoraptorI think the Indoraptor is my favourite film character of the year so far. Top 3 for sure.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Jun 23, 2018 5:27:23 GMT
Felt like I was never gonna get this finished. But it is, so here I am. I hate it AND I love it!
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Post by pessimusreincarnated on Jun 23, 2018 15:07:02 GMT
Jurassic Park is becoming Transformers lol. Just gonna copy and paste my letterboxd review-
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 18:14:47 GMT
Finally saw it. Thought it was mostly enjoyable. The human characters were kind of annoying, except for Zia and Maisie. Franklin in particular was irritating as hell, and I was practically praying for the villains to get eaten. Goldblum didn’t need to be there for anything other than fanservice. The dinosaur sequences are cool. That’s honestly the most praise I can give it now.
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Post by moonman157 on Jun 23, 2018 18:49:38 GMT
Seriously now. How the fuck is it possible that anyone on this earth can look back at Jurassic World and consider it a good movie? It is arguably one of the worst movies ever made. Trevorrow is one of the most egregiously awful directors to ever sully this artform with his presence.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 25, 2018 1:32:01 GMT
Some of the action worked, but nothing else really did. The story is a knock-off of Lost World (although it didn't end up being that bad) and there's some really bad dialogue. Pratt/Howard's dynamic doesn't really build off the first one. The two millennial kids who follow them around were super annoying. Unfortunately Goldblum is basically a cameo. Didn't even know Geraldine Chaplin was in it until this thread but I remember her now and she was barely there. I did like some of the more horror movie type segments type segments we started to get in the third act that were reminiscent of the kind of thing they did in the first film.
When you think about it, the good thing about JP is that initial premise that we saw in JP I and Jurassic World- a dino theme park gone bad. Maybe the best high concept disaster movie premise ever. Anything beyond that is just trying to come up with contrived reasons for people to keep encountering dinosaurs (which they did in spades with this ending) and it doesn't work. Especially since the emphasis ends up being more on human bad guys as the threat (as was the case here) rather than primarily the dinosaurs as in JP I and Jurassic World. This is one franchise I think I'd love to see go away and just be left with the good memories from the original and to a lesser extent Jurassic World, maybe with a remake in 20 years or something. It would work better as a King Kong type franchise where the original just gets remade every so often without sequels. No way is that going to happen, though.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jun 28, 2018 0:49:05 GMT
I was not a fan of the first Jurassic World, but I thought this was definitely an improvement. It lacks the wonder and suspense of JP, and the human characters are basically non entities, but overall this was reasonably watchable entertainment. Everything in the first half is a bit bland, but things pick up in the second half and I dug the gothic aesthetic of the scenes at the mansion. While the first JW was a pale imitation of JP, this was basically a better version of Lost World. 6.5/10
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jul 1, 2018 2:00:19 GMT
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