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Post by countjohn on Jun 4, 2018 21:53:59 GMT
Sorry for another Allen thread, I thought about just posting this in the other one that was posted recently, but that was focused on Moses Farrow's letter and I didn't want to distract from discussion of that. www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/entertainment/woody-allen-me-too-poster-boy/index.htmlI tend to view this as a more 50/50 thing when I get distance from it. When I go back and actually read about it I always sway much more towards Allen, the recent Moses Farrow stuff, plus what he said here, not a single other allegation against him, just adds to that. I'm not going to act like I'm 100% sure or denounce Dylan Farrow as a liar, but I'm certainly not going to denounce Allen or praise the people who "apologize" for working with him.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 4, 2018 22:37:42 GMT
Anyone that studied law for, what, 5 minutes, or heck, anyone that has any basic concept of justice whatsoever knows Allen shouldn't be put with the likes of Weinstein, Cosby and Spacey.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 4, 2018 22:42:50 GMT
As someone who believes in his innocence, it's conforting to read that the allegations and public backlash don't bother Allen that much.
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Post by akittystang on Jun 4, 2018 23:16:27 GMT
I think Dylan Farrow sincerely believes what she says happened to her; I don't believe it actually happened.
Now this might sound a little off-subject but bear with me. I have a friend who grew up with a horribly abusive (as well as addicted to drugs) mother. My friend swears, as a five-to-six year old child that she witnessed, along with her mother, a UFO that stopped above them and that something "dropped" beneath said UFO and her mother couldn't start the car to drive off. My friend swears to this day (she's twenty-six now), this actually happened. Now, I sincerely believe that she believes this happened. I don't believe it actually happened. What I can guess probably happened was that her mother, likely high at this time, saw an ordinary airplane or helicopter, thought it was a UFO, told her daughter what it was, and this memory is heightened and distorted due to her age at the time of said event and an ill parent's perceptions.
When my friend told me this, while knowing her circumstances and her ability to reason outside of these sorts of crazy experiences she had with her mother while she was young, I realized just how suggestible children can be. So when I dug more into this particular case, it's become clearer and clearer to me that Dylan was abused by Mia, not Woody. I understand why people can come to the conclusion that Woody did it; I think the affair with Soon-Yi was gross. No question. However, if Mia did what I suspect she did, she's much worse.
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Post by countjohn on Jun 5, 2018 0:13:39 GMT
Anyone that studied law for, what, 5 minutes, or heck, anyone that has any basic concept of justice whatsoever knows Allen shouldn't be put with the likes of Weinstein, Cosby and Spacey. Well obviously since those are indisputable cases with evidence beyond "always believing the victim". I was just talking about switching between viewing it as a toss-up and leaning more towards Allen.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Jun 5, 2018 1:46:02 GMT
Although I think the way he worded is really "stupid", I'm actually starting to believe Allen. He should have had several accusations at this point, and he hasn't.
Honestly, I don't think people even want the truth, at this point, it seems like they just want a witch hunt.
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Post by quetee on Jun 5, 2018 2:06:12 GMT
I think Dylan Farrow sincerely believes what she says happened to her; I don't believe it actually happened. Now this might sound a little off-subject but bear with me. I have a friend who grew up with a horribly abusive (as well as addicted to drugs) mother. My friend swears, as a five-to-six year old child that she witnessed, along with her mother, a UFO that stopped above them and that something "dropped" beneath said UFO and her mother couldn't start the car to drive off. My friend swears to this day (she's twenty-six now), this actually happened. Now, I sincerely believe that she believes this happened. I don't believe it actually happened. What I can guess probably happened was that her mother, likely high at this time, saw an ordinary airplane or helicopter, thought it was a UFO, told her daughter what it was, and this memory is heightened and distorted due to her age at the time of said event and an ill parent's perceptions. When my friend told me this, while knowing her circumstances and her ability to reason outside of these sorts of crazy experiences she had with her mother while she was young, I realized just how suggestible children can be. So when I dug more into this particular case, it's become clearer and clearer to me that Dylan was abused by Mia, not Woody. I understand why people can come to the conclusion that Woody did it; I think the affair with Soon-Yi was gross. No question. However, if Mia did what I suspect she did, she's much worse. I know someone who tried to pull the same thing. I.don't want to go into details but the woman changed her mind when a credible witness showed up to court.
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Post by quetee on Jun 5, 2018 2:09:00 GMT
Although I think the way he worded is really "stupid", I'm actually starting to believe Allen. He should have had several accusations at this point, and he hasn't. Honestly, I don't think people even want the truth, at this point, it seems like they just want a witch hunt. People are more concerned with taking a side to give the appearance of fake outrage. Nowadays it is more important to take a side and let people know that you don't associate with that type of behavior. That is what happened with all the "anti" ex Woody actors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 19:18:57 GMT
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jun 5, 2018 19:31:16 GMT
I've been on the side of Allen for a while now...
But after that Moses article, I don't see how anyone can trust Mia. She's like two steps away from Mommie Dearest/Annie Wilkes crazy.
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Post by akittystang on Jun 5, 2018 21:35:02 GMT
Yep. That’s gross! No denying it. However, there’s a massive difference between that and what Dylan is accusing him of.
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Post by quetee on Jun 6, 2018 3:11:52 GMT
Yep. That’s gross! No denying it. However, there’s a massive difference between that and what Dylan is accusing him of. Mariel is gonna have to do better than that. She was 18.
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Post by quetee on Jun 6, 2018 3:12:40 GMT
I've been on the side of Allen for a while now... But after that Moses article, I don't see how anyone can trust Mia. She's like two steps away from Mommie Dearest/Annie Wilkes crazy. One step.
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Post by bob-coppola on Jun 6, 2018 3:40:00 GMT
I have no reason to doubt Mariel Hemingway since he literally wrote a movie about that. But again, dating a 18 years-old girl and meaning to shag another is completely different that being a pedophile (and legal).
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Post by hugobolso1 on Jun 6, 2018 13:58:04 GMT
Woody Allen was interviewed by Argentinian journalist Jorge Lanatta. Who is the most important journalist in Argentina and probably one of the most important in the whole world. He isn't Oprah, he is a A plus Journalist.-
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Post by Sharbs on Jun 7, 2018 15:56:57 GMT
Woody Allen was interviewed by Argentinian journalist Jorge Lanatta. Who is the most important journalist in Argentina and probably one of the most important in the whole world. He isn't Oprah, he is a A plus Journalist.- swell
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2018 0:24:58 GMT
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Post by Film Socialism on Dec 18, 2018 2:29:33 GMT
this did not age well
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Dec 18, 2018 4:58:39 GMT
It's aged just fine. Even if this story is true, which is doubtful, everything Woody said in the OP is accurate.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 18, 2018 5:14:32 GMT
Even if this story is true, which is doubtful Why is it doubtful that it's true?
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 18, 2018 8:42:21 GMT
So he's "accused" (great word that is) of having a perfectly legal, consensual affair with the woman who famously inspired what he wrote about in Manhattan in the 70s - the 70s in NYC for Godsakes when sex with a teen goat/farm animal in public was actually as common as bad sideburns and unibrows.
I bet he made her watch .............gasp!..............Bergman films too......the sicko.
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Post by pupdurcs on Dec 18, 2018 9:13:31 GMT
So he's "accused" (great word that is) of having a perfectly legal, consensual affair with the woman who famously inspired what he wrote about in Manhattan in the 70s - the 70s in NYC for Godsakes when sex with a teen goat/farm animal in public was actually as common as bad sideburns and unibrows. I bet he made her watch .............gasp!..............Bergman films too......the sicko. Age of of consent in NYC was 17. The relationship started when the girl was 16. That's statutory rape. He did break the law, but he'll get away with it because the girl in question apparently wasn't traumatised by it, it was a long time ago and he's Woody Allen. Allen is a creep.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 18, 2018 9:16:10 GMT
Let's see if his petition gets as many votes as Polanski's...
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 18, 2018 9:26:05 GMT
So he's "accused" (great word that is) of having a perfectly legal, consensual affair with the woman who famously inspired what he wrote about in Manhattan in the 70s - the 70s in NYC for Godsakes when sex with a teen goat/farm animal in public was actually as common as bad sideburns and unibrows. I bet he made her watch .............gasp!..............Bergman films too......the sicko. Age of of consent in NYC was 17. The relationship started when the girl was 16. That's statutory rape. He did break the law, but he'll get away with it because the girl in question apparently wasn't traumatised by it, it was a long time ago and he's Woody Allen.Allen is a creep. How quick you are to read the law in such a literal way as to define statutory rape - 3 months away from 17 is this or that I see. Um........ He "did" (did he?) break the law but he'll "get away with it" (how sinister) because she wasn't traumatised by it (obviously), it was a long time ago (indeed it was) and "he's Woody Allen" - No, he'd "get away with it" for one and two but not the part in bold above because no one in this story would be charged with a "crime"..........not you, not I, not Woody Allen.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Dec 18, 2018 9:29:01 GMT
Let's see if his petition gets as many votes as Polanski's... Feel it would get even more votes than the Polanski one. At least Allen is not a CONVICTED rapist yet (and I'm honestly not 100% sold on the whole Dylan Farrow thing).
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