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Post by dazed on Jun 1, 2018 15:52:28 GMT
I’ve listened through it a couple of times now (only around 25 minutes long), and although it’ll need a few more listens before I can get a real opinion on it, I’m digging it so far. The second listen was even better than the first, and I can see this album being one of those albums where it gets better and better with each listen.
My favorite track so far is Ghost Town (which makes me even more excited for the Cudi and West collaboration that’s coming next week). Add Tame Impala into the mix, and you have a certified hit. Violent Crimes and Yikes would round out the top 3 tracks for me. This could very well change through more listens.
It seems to be polarizing so far. Most of the people hating it are people that haven’t even listened to it yet though, or if they have they’ve listened to it once. No doubt if he wasn’t causing controversy before this, there would be a general consensus that this album is great. It’s the closest to sounding like old Kanye as we’ve had since Dark Fantasy.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 1, 2018 16:46:26 GMT
On a scale of 1 to MAGA how is this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 17:45:58 GMT
It's alright. None of the songs particularly grab me, but I appreciate that this feels like his most sincere work since MBDTF, especially in light of some of the dumbass stuff he's said recently. I've only listened through it once but my first impression of it is...solid.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Jun 1, 2018 22:10:24 GMT
Honestly, I know separate the art from the artist and all that stuff, but this lad is such a fuckknuckle that I can't bring myself to deliberately listen to any of his music.
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 1, 2018 22:31:05 GMT
Adding this to my arsenal
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 4, 2018 14:15:57 GMT
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 4, 2018 14:48:26 GMT
I feel like Kanye's last few albums have made it abundantly clear that reviewers shouldn't jump to hard conclusions on his work until they've had a few months to live with it and let whatever circus was surrounding the album at the time die down. But then again, I just generally feel like the quality of media criticism would be vastly superior if everybody waited to actually digest and ruminate on the material rather than publish whatever extensive hot take they have in the moment.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jun 4, 2018 15:31:34 GMT
I feel like Kanye's last few albums have made it abundantly clear that reviewers shouldn't jump to hard conclusions on his work until they've had a few months to live with it and let whatever circus was surrounding the album at the time die down. But then again, I just generally feel like the quality of media criticism would be vastly superior if everybody waited to actually digest and ruminate on the material rather than publish whatever extensive hot take they have in the moment. Oh, absolutely. Same goes for films, really; lately I've come to find it much wiser to wait a few weeks or a month before I rate things and update my rankings, to know for sure how each project sits with me and whether it goes up, down or stays the same upon reflection. My thoughts fluctuate even more when it comes to music, so I take reviews with a major grain of salt, especially for something this recently finished. With most albums at least the reviewers get the music a few weeks in advance before they publish their thoughts, but with this being worked on hours before the official release, even Kanye himself hasn't had 4 full days to let it sink in. I haven't even listened to it myself, I just thought I'd share this because I figured Garvey goes sufficiently in-depth about both the roll-out and the tracks themselves that there's enough for Kanye fans to debate here. And tbh, even when I disagree with her, few columnists can eviscerate things as sharply as she does. That "canceled" bit in particular is pretty on-point.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 4, 2018 16:19:52 GMT
I am not a fan of Pitchfork reviews and even less of a fan of Meaghan Garvey honestly - I'm a Rock fan and the last time they had a consistent Rock critic who could actually write about Rock was Chris Ott for Godsakes (and even he didn't rate as accurately as he wrote) so Pitchfork is dead to me anyway but I'll say this - that album is rated a 7.1 and it's his worst (ok, whatever) - that is how deep his catalog runs it seems to me.
But this is the important thing :
Pitchfork, Garvey in this case, basically shows you how she wishes it was worse , because that's what it is for her, warm-up for her first novel or some BS like that. An album as she so charmingly puts it "seven tracks he farted out to meet his arbitrarily self-imposed deadline" - that is what Pitchfork does now, uses album reviews to allow the critic to assess something they think is happening in their own sealed culture - which is fine I guess, but she misses huge obvious album points too.
When she constructs a fake dialog between Nas and Kanye with "you can almost picture Nas...." I think No, YOU can almost picture it and I don't think you have any insight into Nas either ..............when she says this at the end and I thought about the kid from Chicago who wanted to be the biggest rapper in the world, who now lives in an empty-looking concrete mansion in Calabasas, who has stopped trying. ........it sounds a hell of a lot more like Meaghan Garvey's easy false appraisal than anything having to do with the ambitious guy who has roused himself up, produced a ton of records for June release (and did a stupendous job of it on Daytona), created at least an interesting record himself this far into his career, and has a lot more coming too.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 4, 2018 17:33:53 GMT
I hated it up until the last two tracks. Ghost Town is the one song I would want to hear again. I really liked that one. It actually had some soul to it like the old Kanye. Everything up until that point was just unlistenable for me. Thumbs down.
If you want to hear a real quality hip hop project that just came out, I suggest Stream of Thought Volume 1 by Black Thought. MUCH better than Kanye's.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 5, 2018 0:04:48 GMT
Heard it three times now and I've liked it more each time. I'd say it's the most introspective album he's had since 808s and the warmest since probably Late Registration. I think part of what's strange about the project at first is he's not really experimenting as much as he usually does, his production here feels very much along the same lines as The Life of Pablo only a bit more stripped down which could come across as him phoning it in especially when paired with his very direct lyrics that lack the storytelling qualities of his first few albums but also aren't quite as dense and sprawling as his later work. But with an artist like Kanye, I'm just as interested in what he has to say about where's he at as I am what he wants to say about anything else- note: I put much more stake in Kanye's opinions as he describes them through his work as opposed to from TMZ interviews; he's too impulsive to get where he's coming from through a soundbite. With this album, he acknowledges his faults and failures, the stress he's put upon his friends and family, the addictions and mental health diagnoses but choosing to accept all of it (and in the case of his mental health status, embrace it) and find proper room for growth. Kanye has said he re-worked the whole album after his infamous TMZ interview and it seems to me almost like he pulled the rug out from all of us with this release: people expected a political album or at some explanation for the Trump stuff, but Kanye instead comes out with something about self-reflection and acceptance of himself as a flawed but trying being. We wanted him to take whatever feelings he had and project it outward for us to examine to see whether or not he should be "canceled," but he instead directed us back to himself as a walking contradiction that he's struggled and learned to live with. And I found something really powerful in that and feel like it's apt for today's culture where problems with self-esteem and mental health are so commonplace they're joked about in memes. The irony may be the whirlwind of controversy he's caused himself has drawn more speculative interest in his album but also made it more likely to be dismissed (not to say all people who dislike this album are doing it flippantly, as with anything there are valid complaints to make), but maybe like his last few albums much of that can go by the wayside in time.
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jun 5, 2018 15:20:34 GMT
I love that Kanye's back and speaking his mind, but the album––well I don't really consider it an album but we––has to one of or maybe the worst. I don't think it's "trash" or "ass" like a lot of people seem to, but considering the progression of his albums and especially the last few, ye just feels like a plummet. Yeah Ghost Town n Yikes are enjoyable but compared to other Kanye songs still mediocre and nothing I'm going to be replaying much. All of his other albums further developed his sound and had there own clear theme/aesthetic/story––to me personally they are far from masterpieces, but they were all well thought out. Ye just seems so generic and minor by comparison. Still look forward to kids see ghosts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:03:41 GMT
I love that Kanye's back and speaking his mind, but the album––well I don't really consider it an album but we––has to one of or maybe the worst. I don't think it's "trash" or "ass" like a lot of people seem to, but considering the progression of his albums and especially the last few, ye just feels like a plummet. Yeah Ghost Town n Yikes are enjoyable but compared to other Kanye songs still mediocre and nothing I'm going to be replaying much. All of his other albums further developed his sound and had there own clear theme/aesthetic/story––to me personally they are far from masterpieces, but they were all well though out. Ye just seems so generic and minor by comparison. Still look forward to kids see ghosts. Hmm, well said. I think I'd put Ye over Graduation and 808s though. The former only has a couple of songs I like and the latter...yeah, I know it's influential but it really does nothing for me.
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Post by clunkybob2 on Jun 5, 2018 16:30:28 GMT
Hmm, well said. I think I'd put Ye over Graduation and 808s though. The former only has a couple of songs I like and the latter...yeah, I know it's influential but it really does nothing for me. Yeah like I kinda said Kanye albums aren't ever perfect for me, but they always have about 2-5 songs I really love, though they do succeed as albums concept wise and are very good at creating a sound/vibe that matches. I do think ye is interesting, the soulfulness and stripping back the experimentalism (which Kanye pretty much went further and further with to the point where it was kinda obnoxious and maybe alienated some listeners; I really liked it though) does suit the very personal quality of the album and emphasis on message. As the album to follow fantasy yeezus and pablo though it's just feels so weak to me. I didn't used to like Kanye at all and as I slowly started to 808s remained as the album I hated, but eventually I started to like it and I think it's one of his better ones now. It might be the album most akin to ye in its emotionality and whatnot. For me it's a lot better though; I feel the emotion more and it's just more satisfying as an album. I was thinking I might prefer ye to graduation, but with songs like Can't Tell Me Nothing and The Glory I for sure prefer it now that I think about it.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 6, 2018 12:54:24 GMT
I LOVE that song Ghost Town. I can't stop listening to it. Although I think Kanye's part is the weakest. I love everyone else on the track though like Kid Cudi and 070 Shake, a female artist I've never heard before.
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Post by dazed on Jun 6, 2018 16:27:21 GMT
I LOVE that song Ghost Town. I can't stop listening to it. Although I think Kanye's part is the weakest. I love everyone else on the track though like Kid Cudi and 070 Shake, a female artist I've never heard before. Yeah, it’s my favorite song on the album too. I was already excited for the Kid Cudi (his man on the moon albums are my favorite rap albums) and Kanye West album coming out this Friday, but that Ghost Town song even put my hype at a higher level.
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