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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 29, 2018 20:40:57 GMT
Adding to all the great arguments that have been brought up, I'd also like to say that maybe it bombed because it fucking sucks. All the three previous entries of the franchise have at least 85% of approval on Rotten Tomatoes and were welcomed with enthusiasm by critics. We live in an age where these things matter a lot (do you guys remember the event that was the reveal of Justice League's score on RT?). Solo has 305 reviews and yet couldn't even get a Certified Fresh seal. And if you look into the Top Critics' score, it's labeled as a rotten - the first since Episode 1. You’re not wrong, but I still think that’s not *the* reason. You don’t necessarily need the good word of mouth to still be successful. Suicide Squad being the closest example I can think of, where the entire production and final product was a train wreck. People still showed up. And if you look at RT’s audience rating (and I’m sure this calls into question that system’s validity), viewers are ironically liking Solo more than TLJ (62% to 46%). I think they screwed themselves over with the release plan.
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Post by bob-coppola on May 29, 2018 20:56:30 GMT
Adding to all the great arguments that have been brought up, I'd also like to say that maybe it bombed because it fucking sucks. All the three previous entries of the franchise have at least 85% of approval on Rotten Tomatoes and were welcomed with enthusiasm by critics. We live in an age where these things matter a lot (do you guys remember the event that was the reveal of Justice League's score on RT?). Solo has 305 reviews and yet couldn't even get a Certified Fresh seal. And if you look into the Top Critics' score, it's labeled as a rotten - the first since Episode 1. You’re not wrong, but I still think that’s not *the* reason. You don’t necessarily need the good word of mouth to still be successful. Suicide Squad being the closest example I can think of, where the entire production and final product was a train wreck. People still showed up. And if you look at RT’s audience rating (and I’m sure this calls into question that system’s validity), viewers are ironically liking Solo more than TLJ (62% to 46%). I think they screwed themselves over with the release plan. Sure, I'm not saying this is the main reason, let alone the sole reason. But the word-of-mouth and critic-aggregators are very important. Suicide Squad was going to be a big-hit anyways. The production was a train-wreck, but the marketing was so effective that it surprised everyone when we discovered the movie actually stinked. But the fans would show up anyway, as it was the start of a cinematic universe with the three most beloved superheroes. It didn't feature Superman, Wonder Woman nor Batman, but it was the comeback of the most iconic villain since Heath Ledger's death and the actor chosen to play the part was an Oscar-winner celebrity. Add Will Smith, Margot Robbie in the birth of her star-power draw and the rivalry with Marvel, and you have a sure hit. And about TLJ's audience rating on RT, that's really controversial. The movie has its haters, but also a fair share of die-hard fans. The thing is, haters were bothered enough to plan that massive troll on the audience rating, while the lovers just assumed Rotten Tomatoes would eventually erase the low marks because of the bigotry. RT never did it, and to this day we have to deal with the fact that a movie that reached the mark of 1.2 billion dollars on box-office and is almost universally beloved by many fans and casual movie-goers has a low rating because the 12 year-olds can't handle a woman in a leading role. Solo, of course, won't wreack havoc among fans because they care more about easter-eggs than overall quality, but even with that much of fan-service, the SW geeks just don't seem to be excited about this film either.
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Post by therealcomicman117 on May 29, 2018 22:12:53 GMT
Actuals coming in. Solo went up to 84.4m. That's at least better I guess.
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