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Post by bob-coppola on May 23, 2018 23:21:44 GMT
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Post by hugobolso1 on May 23, 2018 23:57:05 GMT
God saves the son
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on May 24, 2018 1:10:53 GMT
#IBelieveMoses
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 24, 2018 1:23:21 GMT
Well , that essay does not put Mia Farrow in a good light.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 24, 2018 2:18:48 GMT
So Mia is literally worse than Nurse Ratched.
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Post by bob-coppola on May 24, 2018 3:11:37 GMT
On a sidenote, rumor has it that Dory Previn wrote the lyrics for Beware of Young Girls about Mia Farrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Farrow is indeed as bad as it's said. There's no actual proof, but it's a case that makes sense.
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Post by quetee on May 24, 2018 4:51:18 GMT
LMAO at Mia and her lying ways. There's one thing I hate and that's a bully. I have seen plenty of them at my job and one thing they hate is a person with integrity. Dylan should be ashamed of herself for continuing to seek approval from Mia and lying on Woody. It really is quite sad. I will be glad when she tells the truth and I hope Woody is still alive when she tells it.
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Post by cherry68 on May 24, 2018 5:56:10 GMT
LMAO at Mia and her lying ways. There's one thing I hate and that's a bully. I have seen plenty of them at my job and one thing they hate is a person with integrity. Dylan should be ashamed of herself for continuing to seek approval from Mia and lying on Woody. It really is quite sad. I will be glad when she tells the truth and I hope Woody is still alive when she tells it. I doubt Dylan is able to know the truth. She's a victim in both ways. I seriously wonder how adoption works in the US though. Here parents who give their availability for an adoption are investigated and go through psychological evaluation for at least 2 years.
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Post by pacinoyes on May 24, 2018 9:54:48 GMT
On a sidenote, rumor has it that Dory Previn wrote the lyrics for Beware of Young Girls about Mia Farrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Farrow is indeed as bad as it's said. There's no actual proof, but it's a case that makes sense. There is another Previn song on that same record - "With My Daddy In The Attic" - that has long since been discussed - and even Allen has said this - as the template where Farrow concocted the "story" to begin with - that Farrow just appropriated the dark and sad story told in that song, and laid the fictional/delusional story of Allen molesting Dylan on top of it. She would be using the song as a big F-You to them both (and as an inside joke to Dory & Woody) the song even mentions "And he’ll play his clarinet when I despair" which of course fits with Allen (and Andre Previn) perfectly - though the song was written many years before Allen was involved - so that leads a lot of people to believe Farrow had some kind of psychological breakdown where she linked Allen, and the worst accusations she could level of him, into that songs twisted subject matter. It is sort of either just an interesting goofy coincidental side note or a psychological smoking gun..........
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Post by HELENA MARIA on May 24, 2018 23:28:03 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on May 25, 2018 9:40:06 GMT
"My sister's allegation is backed by a significant body of credible evidence, including physical evidence and eyewitnesses to abuse"
The added italics there are mine.
I don't see it that way, but judge for yourself the veracity of that piece in Ronan's statement (side note: Moses referred to "Ronan" by his given name, Satchel, in his essay - it is almost unbelievable that one son grew up to be a writer, the other a therapist).
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Post by JangoB on May 25, 2018 10:05:45 GMT
I have no idea how anyone could still doubt Moses's statements after reading this. I wish this goddamn family would just calm down, it seems like they awaken every couple of months to start it all over again. And once again, screw those weasels who 'apologized' for working with Allen and so on.
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Post by JangoB on May 25, 2018 18:11:58 GMT
And of course this barely gets any attention on the media. Makes the blood boil.
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Post by stephen on May 25, 2018 18:17:43 GMT
And a murky situation gets even murkier. The real fucked-up thing is this: whichever side you land on, you're pretty much invalidating one child's story of abuse.
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Post by Zeb31 on May 25, 2018 19:02:14 GMT
And a murky situation gets even murkier. The real fucked-up thing is this: whichever side you land on, you're pretty much invalidating one child's story of abuse. It's a fucked up situation all around, but I do believe you can invalidate the story without invalidating the abuse itself. Even the people who side with Allen (at least the large majority of them, including Moses) still make a point to stress that they don't believe Dylan is lying, just that she's a victim of a different nature of abuse. You can argue whether that's insensitive to her and her ability to judge things, but it is what it is. Parents manipulating children and drumming abuse into them is a far more common occurrence than we might be comfortable to admit. It's a terribly thorny issue either way, and it's made even worse by the now increased media circus surrounding it-- which to be honest, must do more harm to Dylan than anonymous cinephiles supporting Allen's films ever could. The way Mia and now Ronan have spent years weaponizing her pain in their crusade to bring Allen down has forced her to relive that trauma a hundred times over under intense public scrutiny, and I've always thought that there's something remarkably icky about that. It's one thing for adult, discerning victims like Rose McGowan to make use of their public image to lead the cause and bring down their abusers, because they can choose to employ their time and efforts in whatever way they see fit. It's up to them to decide if they're willing to subject themselves to everything that comes with it. It's a completely different situation for a young victim like Dylan to be put under the spotlight year in year out from the age of 7 by a mother and brother who both insist on making this case as loud, public and scandalous as possible. I know this is entering a very unsavory area of the discussion, but the way the media treats the entire debacle is insidious in more ways than one, and Dylan's unrelenting exposure is among them.
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Post by stephen on May 25, 2018 19:07:00 GMT
And a murky situation gets even murkier. The real fucked-up thing is this: whichever side you land on, you're pretty much invalidating one child's story of abuse. It's a fucked up situation all around, but I do believe you can invalidate the story without invalidating the abuse itself. Even the people who side with Allen (at least the large majority of them, including Moses) still make a point to stress that they don't believe Dylan is lying, just that she's a victim of a different nature of abuse. You can argue whether that's insensitive to her and her ability to judge things, but it is what it is. Parents manipulating children and drumming abuse into them is a far more common occurrence than we might be comfortable to admit. It's a terribly thorny issue either way, and it's made even worse by the now increased media circus surrounding it-- which to be honest, must do more harm to Dylan than anonymous cinephiles supporting Allen's films ever could. The way Mia and now Ronan have spent years weaponizing her pain in their crusade to bring Allen down has forced her to relive that trauma a hundred times over under intense public scrutiny, and I've always thought that there's something remarkably icky about that. It's one thing for adult, discerning victims like Rose McGowan to make use of their public image to lead the cause and bring down their abusers, because they can choose to employ their time and efforts in whatever way they see fit. It's up to them to decide if they're willing to subject themselves to everything that comes with it. It's a completely different situation for a young victim like Dylan to be put under the spotlight year in year out from the age of 7 by a mother and brother who both insist on making this case as loud, public and scandalous as possible. I know this is entering a very unsavory area of the discussion, but the way the media treats the entire debacle is insidious in more ways than one, and Dylan's unrelenting exposure is among them. Oh, I believe that the one thing that we can all agree upon is that Dylan Farrow is the victim of abuse from a parental figure, and I absolutely agree that the media circus surrounding the issue has probably done more harm than good to her.
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Post by quetee on May 25, 2018 19:16:49 GMT
LMAO at Mia and her lying ways. There's one thing I hate and that's a bully. I have seen plenty of them at my job and one thing they hate is a person with integrity. Dylan should be ashamed of herself for continuing to seek approval from Mia and lying on Woody. It really is quite sad. I will be glad when she tells the truth and I hope Woody is still alive when she tells it. I doubt Dylan is able to know the truth. She's a victim in both ways. I seriously wonder how adoption works in the US though. Here parents who give their availability for an adoption are investigated and go through psychological evaluation for at least 2 years. I believe she does and she is a victim of a lying mother. Mia will never come clean. Let's get real here. What type of mother would continue to work for the man who molested her daughter afterwards.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on May 26, 2018 15:50:05 GMT
All I know is, I never trusted the Farrows after Ronan's (and Mia) whole "Frank Sinatra is probably my dad" bullshit... which, I should remind you all, ended once Woody pointed out that if he was indeed Sinatra's son, then Mia lied in court to get child support from him.
So... does she lie to the press or does she lie to the courts? (whichever the answer, she's not a credible person)
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Post by countjohn on Jun 4, 2018 21:51:16 GMT
One thing is that whenever Ronan and even Dylan Farrow talk about this it always goes hand in hand with the Soon-Yi stuff, even though those two things have nothing to do with each other. It's almost an indirect admission that this is just to get back at him for that.
But, as another poster alluded to, even if you want to take the "always believe the victim" stance, if you do that on behalf of Dylan here you're basically denying allegations from Mia Farrow's other children that she tried to brainwash them against Allen with abuse.
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Post by flasuss on Jun 4, 2018 22:54:57 GMT
One thing that I've read recently that made me remember this Allen-Farrow situation was that the Innocence Project begun to work here in Brazil and recently had success in it's first case.
What was it about? It was about a man, who was involved in a bitter custody dispute, and who ended in jail after his children, who were around 9 or 10 at the time, accused him of sexual abuse. When they were older, however, they revealed that they lied in court at the behest of their mother, who would physically and mentally abuse them and threatened them in order to make them lie.
Now, mind you, Dylan wasn't threatened or physically abused as far as we know...but she was younger and easier to manipulate. And the kids were roughly Moses Farrow's age at the time, I think.
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