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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 1, 2019 10:57:55 GMT
I wanted to add a strange case of a great actor - the guy just outside the "big 4" of the 70s in film but some rank him even higher than that - the great Gene Hackman. Hackman retired at an age where he would have coincided perfectly with TV - and he did 1 theater role post movie stardom but it was a big one (see below). He is a fascinating case because he stopped when much was still open to him (retired at 74) - and at the same time we thought he's "done enough" too - he was very great but maybe could have been perceived as greater even apart from film. From his one stage return - 1992's Death and The Maiden opposite US GOAT contender Glenn Close and Richard Dreyfuss - a starry cast:
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 2, 2019 17:00:18 GMT
Today's topic is somewhat grim - but what happens when an actor passes away before peaking maybe? Ron Silver is the actor I have in mind......rather than a Cazale or Ledger, Silver did a lot but he never did things that could have made him more well known and now he's gone. A Tony winner - for Mamet no less..........and a multiple Emmy nominee (for the West Wing for one) - he was insanely busy right up until he turned 60 and was diagnosed with cancer. He was almost too busy even, a sort of poor man's Dustin Hoffman in the 70s and early 80s on sitcoms who worked very hard, he later, almost foolishly returned to sitcom TV after co-starring in big films (Enemies A Love Story, Reversal Of Fortune)......it was almost as if he knew time would run out on him. In between he worked for Mann and Lumet too. As Henry Kissinger on TV - one of his most acclaimed roles:
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 2, 2019 21:14:51 GMT
One guy I wanted to list here also but I always forgot him is Sterling K. Brown. Brown is 43 now and he is one of those guys that fits perfectly into this thread - he does all 3 mediums, he may land a supporting actor Oscar nod this year (exceedingly tough year though), won 2 Emmy's for wildly diverse parts and does theater including Shakespeare too - he likes to act no matter where. In some ways he's the lesser version of Mahershala Ali (covered earlier) where his 2 quick Lead Emmy wins (as opposed to Ali's weightier 2 Oscars) and out of nowhere film appearances (Black Panther, Marshall) have pegged him as someone who is coming up in all mediums. He'll be fun to watch and it will be interesting to see if he gets that supporting Oscar nod for Waves this year - he's not likely but you never know and he's lingering just outside the "predicted" group so far. Brown in Waves below:
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 3, 2019 13:14:46 GMT
I watched Netflix's "The King" so I thought it would be good to focus on one of the cast in that one - Joel EdgertonA guy who does work all 3 mediums - he played Stanley Kowalski in Australia! - Edgerton may be better served by doing more on TV right now. He's not a star but he is extremely well liked and almost always solid and capable at least. There are many people who rank him a lot higher than I do and at this point it's a bit hard to spot what the role might be where you can really see it. He also directs, below, in one of his most best performances which he also directed, The Gift (with Rebecca Hall and Jason Bateman):
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 7, 2019 12:29:49 GMT
Peter O'Toole has never been focused in on in this thread and yet he circles and connects to many who have. An 8 time Oscar nominee without a win (the record), he triumphed many times on stage in the UK and actually made a decent turn into TV (winning an Emmy). The course of life often took him into odd turns - he didn't seem to manage a career as much as he endured having to have one......when inspired and on his game he could be astonishing and even when he wasn't he seemed to treat acting with a bemused detachment. He seems very much an immortal and ghost-like in his career. From 1963's Hamlet (directed by Laurence Olivier) - one of the 2 great "punk rock" Hamlet productions of its era, along with his friend's version - Richard Burton. "Punk rock" in that they broke how to play Shakespeare in half and rethought all subsequent works in this style - American and British.
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Post by hugobolso on Nov 7, 2019 14:24:58 GMT
Easy Fernanda Montenegro First lady of Portuguese language theatre, Television and Film.-
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 7, 2019 15:34:02 GMT
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 15, 2019 10:33:00 GMT
I wanted to add to this thread one of the few guys who can write and act - that's very rare but Tracy Letts has carved out a unique niche especially lately too. A Tony winner for acting, with several big plays he's written and he has been memorable, especially this year in films (Ford vs. Ferrari) and a bit on TV too - Homeland etc. He's written some great plays, one of which Bug is one of the best plays you will ever read on the page but almost impossible to stage imo (I don't like the film much either). Letts is only 54 and while we may say he is a big time writer/small time actor, there's no reason to doubt he could write an award winning part for himself in any of the 3 mediums. With Amy Morton in his Tony winning role in the Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? revival:
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Post by stephen on Dec 15, 2019 16:38:52 GMT
I wanna talk about the character actor who has absolutely exploded over the last decade, appearing in two Best Picture winners and at least one nominee per year since 2012: Bill Camp. Camp is very much in the Tracy Letts mold: a stage vet who has that indisputable It factor that makes him compulsively watchable and has a scene-stealing sensibility. He's got great range and versatility, can play grizzled cops and grim monsters with equal skill, and yet there is a mischievous levity to him that will sometimes crop up even in his darkest performances. His career peak is his mesmerizing performance in The Night Of, but he has racked up some excellent turns over the last decade (including a raucous delight in The Leftovers). Bill Camp will be an Oscar nominee by this time next decade, mark my words, and probably sooner rather than later.
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 18, 2019 12:42:56 GMT
Today I wanted to cover sort of "The Irishman Question" in this thread - the how old is "too old for a part? It's almost a miracle that The Irishman has been received with glowing reviews but we are about to see the "age appropriate" thing pop up more and you can get away with far more on stage than film (oddly) or TV too. But our greatest stars are all getting older and so is what we are willing to disbelieve - and do you want to see Brad Pitt play a grandfather or Cliff Booth anyway? Just in the past year, on HBO we had a far older Catherine the Great than what people expected with Helen Mirren with mixed artistic results - it got better in later episodes........ assuming you even got that far. Coming in 2020 a 65 year old Macbeth (?!?) (Denzel Washington) and a 62 year old Lady Macbeth (?!?) (Frances McDormand) - which sounds really old but is somewhat comparable to a famous Christopher Plummer (who was 59)-Glenda Jackson (who was 52) stage version which was criticized for being too old in 1988 (!) McDormand, in the earlier stage version of Macbeth, 2016:
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 20, 2019 11:07:54 GMT
The last post in this thread was about actors/actresses being too old for a part....... this one is about what if actors/actresses are in a piece - even a great piece - that is too long or too difficult for most to watch?Many people consider "1900" to be one of the greatest films of Robert De Niro's career and many fans of his have never seen it and won't - at over 5 hours in its longest cut - far longer than The Irishman - to many, it's too much. Angels in America was considered "too long" when it first premiered on stage but has since been reconsidered as "it has to be that long" as a play at least. Many people who would love the latest season of Twin Peaks will never invest the time to see something that willfully difficult and intimidating in run time. With the different formats for film/TV this is becoming if not a new issue, a different kind of issue at least: Robert De Niro and Gerard Depardieu in Bertolucci's epic "1900":
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Post by pacinoyes on Dec 28, 2019 14:45:48 GMT
Who's the best living actress? How about actor? Well for this thread, no matter what name you throw out there you likely wouldn't forget about one person entirely like you would Jane Alexander. She is in many ways an equal to Pacino, Duvall and Close in acclaim and you wouldn't forget them ever but yet she is far more elusive and odd. 7 time Tony nominee (1 Win), 8 Time Emmy nominee (1 Win), 4 Time Oscar nominee she makes her long awaited stage return next month in Grand Horizons opposite James Cromwell. At 80 she joins a long list of great older stars (Glenda Jackson, Elaine May) who look to triumph - and she may be the greatest US theater actress already. In "All The President's Men" (1976):
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 11, 2020 16:23:41 GMT
The most obvious person - a legend really - not yet mentioned, Barbra Streisand - an Oscar and Emmy winner and a multiple Tony nominee. In fact, she's so famous that her actual gifts as an actress are often lost - she can be quite funny and in the early 70s was like a new screwball comedy queen it appeared. Of course she can sing, and the fact that Barbra Streisand never won a competitive Tony for a musical especially, seems like a horrible and cruel mistake. Streisand, in her Broadway debut I Can Get It For You Wholesale - launching a 60 year career:
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 13, 2020 13:51:26 GMT
Adam Driver, Mark Rylance, Bryan Cranston, Al Pacino, Frances McDormand, Viola Davis, Michelle Williams, Laurie Metcalf - the only people nominated for all 3 acting awards (for acting, see below) - Oscar/Emmy/Tony - in the decade, 2010-2019. Erivo and Hanks would loosely make it but for musical performance and hosting Emmy's/nods. Davis and McDormand the only 2 who won a triple crown all in this decade. Davis, below:
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Post by Good God on Jan 13, 2020 18:48:30 GMT
Adam Sandler has entered the GOAT debate
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 16, 2020 10:50:50 GMT
2020 begins with a bang - our first real noticeable one of the year for the actors who work all three mediums - the previously covered Laura Linney who debuted in Broadway's My Name is Lucy Barton. Linney a 3 time Oscar nominee - though not for a long time - and a 4 time Tony nominee and 4 time Emmy winner (!) may have given a performance that puts her closer to a triple crown someday. Tony Awards are goofy to say the least - she won't be acting in this when the nominations/win are announced perhaps - which is a big problem but it's hard to know how the season will play out. So far at least.......raves all around and a 5th Tony nod seems almost assured - there are few actors or actresses with 5 acting nods and 0 wins. Linney is precisely the sort of actress you can't easily figure out - is for example 6 time Oscar nominee and 1 time Emmy nominee - Amy Adams - a "better" actress than Linney? Maybe, but based on what exactly .....who's medium are we placing too much value in? Linney as Lucy Barton, below:
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Post by morton on Jan 16, 2020 11:32:37 GMT
2020 begins with a bang - our first real noticeable one of the year for the actors who work all three mediums - the previously covered Laura Linney who debuted in Broadway's My Name is Lucy Barton. Linney a 3 time Oscar nominee - though not for a long time - and a 4 time Tony nominee and 4 time Emmy winner (!) may have given a performance that puts her closer to a triple crown someday. Tony Awards are goofy to say the least - she won't be acting in this when the nominations/win are announced perhaps - which is a big problem but it's hard to know how the season will play out. So far at least.......raves all around and a 5th Tony nod seems almost assured - there are few actors or actresses with 5 acting nods and 0 wins. Linney is precisely the sort of actress you can't easily figure out - is for example 6 time Oscar nominee and 1 time Emmy nominee - Amy Adams - a "better" actress than Linney? Maybe, but based on what exactly .....who's medium are we placing too much value in? Linney as Lucy Barton, below: Yeah, I read on another forum that Laurie Metcalf will likely be in contention with her new okay, and Mary Louise Parker will too. So even with raves like this a Tony for Linney is far from assured this year. I love all three actresses, so I can’t be too sad except I think Linney is the only one that hasn’t won a Tony yet.
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Post by futuretrunks on Jan 16, 2020 20:48:51 GMT
Linney is precisely the sort of actress you can't easily figure out - is for example 6 time Oscar nominee and 1 time Emmy nominee - Amy Adams - a "better" actress than Linney?Hells no.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 18, 2020 14:58:46 GMT
Not many actors can compare to Mark Rylance - who turns 60 years old today. A multiple (3 times) Tony winner, an Oscar winner (BSA) - only the Emmy has eluded him so far. We've covered him a lot in this thread - heck we mentioned him in the very first post even! He can stand with any UK actor in film, theater or both. Somewhat hampered by being so selective over the years his upcoming slate is more active, on film at least than he's ever been, which is very good news. Happy Birthday In Jerusalem, one of his (astonishing) Tony winning roles - certainly one of the finest theater performances I've seen.
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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2020 15:08:47 GMT
Not many actors can compare to Mark Rylance - who turns 60 years old today. A multiple (3 times) Tony winner, an Oscar winner (BSA) - only the Emmy has eluded him so far. We've covered him a lot in this thread - heck we mentioned him in the very first post even! He can stand with any UK actor in film, theater or both. Somewhat hampered by being so selective over the years his upcoming slate is more active, on film at least than he's ever been, which is very good news. Happy Birthday In Jerusalem, one of his (astonishing) Tony winning roles - certainly one of the finest theater performances I've seen. The greatest stage performance I've ever seen. The greatest TV performance I've ever seen. One of the finest Oscar winners in his category. The Standing Man stands tall.
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Post by TerryMontana on Jan 18, 2020 16:57:40 GMT
Happy birthday to Mr. Rylance!!! A terrific actor!
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 19, 2020 15:44:37 GMT
Covering an actor today we have not yet covered and he's like Nicholson/DiCaprio was when we talked about them - he only does one medium so far - film only. So why cover him? - well like Nicholson/DiCaprio he has a lot of people who think he's the best too - or at least the best working American actor - he is the youngest actor on our GOAT poll even (finished 12th) and he is on the cusp of a much higher profile perhaps - Joaquin PhoenixNominated 4 times, he is only 45 so there's time for TV and stage although he does not seem likely to ever do stage. Phoenix, very much uses film to stretch himself or to dovetail with previous roles the way someone else uses stage/TV. It's a neat trick and one that becomes far harder to do when you're very famous and appeal suddenly to many more than you ever have before. Phoenix, in one of his very best roles Two Lovers:
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2020 11:17:07 GMT
We've covered Sam Rockwell but never in-depth and he is, to me at least, the American actor buzzing around the Triple Crown more than anyone at the moment - partially because he already has the hardest award to win, the Oscar, and also because he's made big in-roads in the other 2 mediums. Rockwell won the TV SAG last night for Fosse/Verdon - he lost this years Emmy and Golden Globe - and he could have easily been nominated for his 3rd Oscar in a row for Richard Jewell in a weaker year too. In March he takes on one of the great modern American theater roles - Teach in a starry American Buffalo Broadway revival opposite Laurence Fishburne and Darren Criss . A role made famous by 2 US GOATs in the three mediums - Robert Duvall originally and later Al Pacino - they still tower over this part and over new actors attempting it. For Rockwell, it's a very big deal and a very big opportunity ........coming in the middle of quite a career run:
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 20, 2020 12:48:12 GMT
Do you think this TV icon and Oscar nominee belongs to this thread too? Well Loggia is lacking major theater work but he could dance and maybe sing as good as Joe Pesci at least........ so sure, why not - he could have done musicals on Broadway!
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 22, 2020 15:13:07 GMT
Not covered in this thread really but she obviously should be a 2 Time Oscar winner - heck a one time write in ballot Oscar nominee! (that doesn't usually count in her totals believe it or not) - a late career Emmy and she did some stage early too - Bette Davis. Davis was in many ways, the first great American actress of the silver screen. In her 1930s early peak all the way until her TV work in the late 70s, she's a legendary figure and her style remained surprisingly contemporary. While she seems mannered when the new American Hollywood actresses came into vogue (Page, Fonda) - she also seems uniquely herself - she never "chased" any rival - that's the first trick any movie star needs to learn...... She's got Bette Davis eyes:
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