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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 11, 2019 22:19:01 GMT
Here's a pretty cool clip - I know a lot of people tend to tune out when we talk theater but it's cool to see Oldman talk about it - and pretty rare I'd say, I never really heard his discuss it before. Pretty cool - you can kind of tell even though he's moved on from theater for many years........he hasn't in the way he talks.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 12, 2019 5:47:54 GMT
Liev Schreiber Before separating with Naomi Watts they were a pretty cool acting couple! w/ Parker Posey & Hope Davis, two talented actresses not discussed yetI just watched RKO 281 the HBO movie about Citizan Kane and the Hearst uproar. It's okay, though it feels like a quick skim of the situation, and Liev isn't a convincing Welles nor does he find a way into the character, better perfs by Malkovich (as Mank) and James Cromwell (as Hearst). But I do like Liev usually and wanted to mention him.... 4x Emmy acting nominee - popularly Ray Donovan and for playing Welles. 3x Tony nominee and winner as Ricky Roma in Glengarry Glen Ross ’05. He’s performed Pinter, Mamet, Arthur Miller, and a whole lot of the Bard: Hamlet, Macbeth, Henry V, Iago, and a few others. Great at playing casually imposing characters, but his best I think is Manchurian Candidate which he got 0 awards for, a deep and intense portrayal of severely addled mental vacuity. Varying results with lighter fare though he’s funny in The Daytrippers (pic above, memorable German shorthaired pointer bit) and in other stuff like Goon. And he’s in the new Woody Allen that we may or may not see this year…. his Tony winning perf, with Alan Alda here who pacinoyes mentioned earlier in the thread
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 12, 2019 8:20:59 GMT
I saw his Ricky Roma and he was maybe the best stage one I saw and he's one of those guys whose film career is a bit of a headscratcher because he has a lot of credits with (relatively) little impact - he should be bigger already but you feel it's coming. I quite liked his Chuck Wepner turn though and one of these film roles will connect he's too there and likable and definable for it not too - almost like Bobby Cannavale is. I would have thought Spotlight would have got more heat for him but the focus there was away from him. Sometimes I think I need to rewatch some Ray Donovan - I'm not much for TV watching but it's certainly good stuff that I think Schrieber has more there than I caught on to. Once my Sopranos-athon is done I could refocus on that show actually. From Chuck (or The Bleeder it's aka) with Naomi Watts still on Netflix for an ace, low key lead turn:
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 13, 2019 22:10:50 GMT
“I don't look like an actor, I could be anyone from a toilet attendant to a business executive. Most people look at me on the street and say, Who the hell is that guy?” And that guy is, Walter Matthau .....2x Tony winner (’62 A Shot in the Dark, ’65 The Odd Couple), 3x Oscar nominee and Oscar winner (’66 The Fortune Cookie), 1 Emmy nom ('61, DuPont Show of the Week). w. Maureen Stapleton and Lemmon in a '74 LA prod of Juno and the PaycockExtremely likable actor, conversely the perfect grump. Hilarious performances in classics, such as Bad News Bears and The Odd Couple ("We've been invited to spend the evening in a two-room hot-house with the Coo-Coo Pigeon Sisters! What do you mean you're not going?"). Next to Lemmon a long-lasting practically landmark duo. Again working his gut-jumping comedic ability with an off-hand charisma, in The Fortune Cookie, Cactus Flower, better more underrated pics like A New Leaf, Pirates (pic below). Solid smaller dramatic roles in Lonely are the Brave, A Face in the Crowd, and a special shout-out to a personal favorite Taking of Pelham 123 which forever changed my sneeze-response to gesundheit, not kidding. As for TV he did a helluva lot and deserved more than one random Emmy nom - my fav I've seen is a Hitchcock Presents S4E4 ‘the Crooked Road’ - as a blithely cruel Southern cop, complete with a great drawl. Viced pacinoyes and others - Fav movie/tv perfs?
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Post by Viced on Aug 13, 2019 22:24:32 GMT
Love Matthau's random crime trilogy that came out of nowhere... think it was an attempt to change his image or branch out (or both... or something):
The Laughing Policeman - lame movie... but he and Bruce Dern are great together. Also a nice tidbit from IMDb:
Charley Varrick - Matthau starring in a Siegel (coming off fucking Dirty Harry) movie... awesome. A minor classic.
Then of course the (previously mentioned) stone cold masterpiece (kinda) The Taking of Pelham One Two Three, obviously a less hardboiled role... but still awesome.
And I gotta mention Hopscotch which is probably one of the most perfect actor/film marriages out there. Then a final shout-out to his supporting roles in Charade, Fail-Safe, and Bigger Than Life.
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Post by Good God on Aug 13, 2019 22:39:05 GMT
I think Cranston's film work just doesn't rate highly enough to put him high in the conversation. Yes, he got a very generous oscar nod for Trumbo, but that was in part with all the goodwill in the world for his work on Breaking Bad. The industry really wants him to be this great movie actor because of all that residual respect for his non-film work, and it's not really happening. All the qualities that have maybe helped him excel on stage and on the small screen, seem slightly diminished or maybe even a bit too broad/hammy on the big screen. He's a great actor, but not every great actor is cut out to be a great movie actor (see multiple Tony winners like Brian Dennehy and Nathan Lane) I'm surprised by this post. If Nicole Kidman is "major" on Broadway for winning a "Thank you for participating" award from Theatre World Awards, Bryan Cranston is "major" on film for actually being an Oscar-nominated actor. Outside of that, he's one of the most decorated TV actors ever and is very acclaimed in Theater as well. Just as a reference point, let's compare him to your favorite performer, Denzel Washington. Cranston's TV work (4 Emmy wins and 11 nominations) > Washington's Film work (2 Oscar wins and 8 nominations) Cranston's Theater work (2 Tony wins and 2 nominations) > Washington's Theater work (1 Tony win and 2 nominations) Cranston's Film work (1 Oscar nomination) > Washington's TV work (0 Emmy nominations as an actor) Again, I'm just going by your mathematical comparison where award wins and nominations are the be-all and end-all, putting Tom Hanks and Sean Penn way below Denzel Washington. So by your own standards, Cranston is a better actor across all 3 mediums than Washington is. Oh, that is unless you think TV and Theater don't mean shit and only Film matters because it's a lot more important, in which case I will readily agree with you that Washington wipes the floor with Cranston.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 13, 2019 23:36:52 GMT
Big fan of him at his best and how broad he plays comedic stuff especially - A New Leaf, Plaza Suite (dated but fun), positively hilarious in The Fortune Cookie, Bad News Bears which is a great character turn and a deceptively smart film.......any fan of 70s movies has to love Taking of Pelham and I have a more positive take on The Laughing Policeman which is indeed mostly lame but it sets up an angle that I think predates some interesting stuff - sort of the homosexual angle of cops who are sort of indifferent to that - or incapable of assessing it in a way because they get caught up in the mere mechanics of crime. There are a whole bunch of 70s movies like that that are sort of like "our giallos" in a way - violent urban crime films that eventually would blossom a bit into "serious" American giallos (loosely at least) - like Dressed To Kill and Cruising and stuff like that as opposed to horror and they can be fascinating to look at now. Him and Dern are great together while it is formulaic it has things in it that would be pullled out and expanded on in other more interesting films.
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Post by Mattsby on Aug 17, 2019 1:35:10 GMT
To the surprise of very few, I was thinking about Pacino today..... how even his very first on-screen perf was special in a way.... a TV perf too, NYPD 'Deadly Circle of Violence' which aired in November '68. Idk who's seen or even heard of it before so I'm posting a clip and a little breakdown! Clearly the clip (skip the middle credits) is rough with continuity errors but just for the perf.... at 1:05 “It’s them two-legged rats you gotta watch out for” and that heehaw laugh, I love that line-reading and you can't place that wicked laugh in any of his other work. 4:00 and on - interrogated he says “She got to liking me” followed by a very quick nod of the head, as if internally confirming this thought. Then says they were watching boats and pauses to look at both cops, making sure they’re following him, then adding “She started screaming like a hyena” he can’t help being amused by his own comment, almost about to laugh before pulling back. Putting this in spoilers, so someone might watch, then read this, and watch again. The whole ep isn't online, just clips, but you can read an outline of his character, and you find out that he's a vile, violent racist. So these are some very subtle touches from Pacino, to a surprising degree as it's the first time a camera was on him, and it's also very unlike what he's played afterward. From this you'd think he might start his career with villainous delinquent roles or something... Also: might as well add that The Hunt, his biggest role yet in a single project, he's in every ep across 10 hrs, is coming up soon-ish like within 6 or so months.
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 17, 2019 1:49:15 GMT
@tyler - that's Jill Clayburgh in the opening scene who I know you like and recommended for this thread. Mattsby - I used to have this whole episode on VHS tape, but alas, no more. It's pretty great - even then the wtf Southern accent .....you see him do a lot of early Pacino tricks too - particularly the way he listens - no one ever listened like he did or actually still does - he often seems like he's zoning out which makes his reactions spontaneous and fresh. He's great in his little scene in Me, Natalie too opposite Patty Duke in his film debut. Not sure if that clip is available but even there he's memorable too.
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 17, 2019 12:45:02 GMT
To the surprise of very few, I was thinking about Pacino today..... how even his very first on-screen perf was special in a way.... a TV perf too, NYPD 'Deadly Circle of Violence' which aired in November '68. Idk who's seen or even heard of it before so I'm posting a clip and a little breakdown! Clearly the clip (skip the middle credits) is rough with continuity errors but just for the perf.... at 1:05 “It’s them two-legged rats you gotta watch out for” and that heehaw laugh, I love that line-reading and you can't place that wicked laugh in any of his other work. 4:00 and on - interrogated he says “She got to liking me” followed by a very quick nod of the head, as if internally confirming this thought. Then says they were watching boats and pauses to look at both cops, making sure they’re following him, then adding “She started screaming like a hyena” he can’t help being amused by his own comment, almost about to laugh before pulling back. Putting this in spoilers, so someone might watch, then read this, and watch again. The whole ep isn't online, just clips, but you can read an outline of his character, and you find out that he's a vile, violent racist. So these are some very subtle touches from Pacino, to a surprising degree as it's the first time a camera was on him, and it's also very unlike what he's played afterward. From this you'd think he might start his career with villainous delinquent roles or something... Also: might as well add that The Hunt, his biggest role yet in a single project, he's in every ep across 10 hrs, is coming up soon-ish like within 6 or so months. I knew about him being in that and I had seen this clip before but I always thought these 5 minutes were the only ones he played in the episode. Until I read your spoiler... Now I want to watch the whole ep!
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 17, 2019 12:49:02 GMT
He's great in his little scene in Me, Natalie too opposite Patty Duke in his film debut. Not sure if that clip is available but even there he's memorable too. That's all I could find (scene starts at 41 seconds): So, that's all there is to it, right? He's in there for less than a minute and no more. Is that so?
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Post by pacinoyes on Aug 17, 2019 13:18:00 GMT
Yup, that's all he does, but you do notice him and besides, has the cool side burns and hair and steals the other guys girl. Later he'd go on to famously dance in Godfather I/II/III, Cruising, Scarface, Frankie & Johnny (Greek dancing there terry!), Scent of a Woman etc. This talk of his pre-movie movie fame reminds me of 2 things - one we covered but could have covered more - the late 60s New York actor was a big deal - there were 3 guys considered "the best" stage actors - Hoffman, Pacino, Langella. In the Langella post I briefly mentioned how they were a fascinating group - Hoffman is a big star by 1969 - Langella would go on to win 4 Tony awards the most for any male - Pacino would go on to be bigger than both overall (imo). That's a great group to assess. The other thing this reminds me of is a joke told by Hugh O'Brian, the actor .......so true......... The Five Most Important Stages in the Life of an Actor:
(1) “Who is Hugh O’Brian?” (2) “Get me Hugh O’Brian as the star of our next picture!” (3) “Get me somebody who’s a Hugh O’Brian type.” (4) “Get me a young Hugh O’Brian.” (5) “Who WAS Hugh O’Brian?
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Post by TerryMontana on Aug 17, 2019 13:48:39 GMT
Yup, that's all he does, but you do notice him and besides, has the cool side burns and hair and steals the other guys girl. Later he'd go on to famously dance in Godfather I/II/III, Cruising, Scarface, Frankie & Johnny (Greek dancing there terry!), Scent of a Woman etc. This talk of his pre-movie movie fame reminds me of 2 things - one we covered but could have covered more - the late 60s New York actor was a big deal - there were 3 guys considered "the best" stage actors - Hoffman, Pacino, Langella. In the Langella post I briefly mentioned how they were a fascinating group - Hoffman is a big star by 1969 - Langella would go on to win 4 Tony awards the most for any male - Pacino would go on to be bigger than both overall (imo). That's a great group to assess. The other thing this reminds me of is a joke told by Hugh O'Brian, the actor .......so true......... The Five Most Important Stages in the Life of an Actor:
(1) “Who is Hugh O’Brian?” (2) “Get me Hugh O’Brian as the star of our next picture!” (3) “Get me somebody who’s a Hugh O’Brian type.” (4) “Get me a young Hugh O’Brian.” (5) “Who WAS Hugh O’Brian? Seems we'll be having another step between 4 and 5: Get me Hugh O'Brian and some money to de-age him Pacino's dancing in F&J was funny. So funny it was almost ridiculous. Honestly, I didn't like it. Yeah, Johnny did it on purpose, I know. But I thought it was too much.
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Post by pacinoyes on Sept 23, 2019 13:52:58 GMT
I think when I declared her the best American actress of her generation because I'm quite the Williams-stan (before Fosse/Verdon thankyouverymuch! ) it raised a few eyebrows on here but she very possibly could start racking up triple crown wins I think now too - her upcoming (but not started) film roles are potentially very baity if they come off and she could also easily have 7+ Oscar nods (she has 4). I guess her closest companion is Adam Driver - who has been nodded in all 3 groups too within the last few years and is of a comparable age but I see her mostly as a Laura Dern and even more linked to the 1970s females, especially Ellen Burstyn (and somewhat Rowlands and Streep). She has a unique ability to turn her sexuality off and on and never over play it so that you notice - it's very uncommon for a young actress to "not" use her looks in an obvious way. By the way - one of her big upcoming potential film roles may be Christa McAuliffe - the astronaut - and if she plays that role that would make 3 biopic roles where really she looks nothing like them (Monroe, Verdon) and potentially triumphed in......she exhibits acting qualities that are like male actors in the best sense - it's exciting to watch her go about her acting choices within roles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 14:05:22 GMT
I think when I declared her the best American actress of her generation because I'm quite the Williams-stan (before Fosse/Verdon thankyouverymuch! ) it raised a few eyebrows on here but she very possibly could start racking up triple crown wins I think now too - her upcoming (but not started) film roles are potentially very baity if they come off and she could also easily have 7+ Oscar nods (she has 4). I guess her closest companion is Adam Driver - who has been nodded in all 3 groups too within the last few years and is of a comparable age but I see her mostly as a Laura Dern and even more linked to the 1970s females, especially Ellen Burstyn (and somewhat Rowlands and Streep). She has a unique ability to turn her sexuality off and on and never over play it so that you notice - it's very uncommon for a young actress to "not" use her looks in an obvious way. By the way - one of her big upcoming potential film roles may be Christa McAuliffe - the astronaut - and if she plays that role that would make 3 biopic roles where really she looks nothing like them (Monroe, Verdon) and potentially triumphed in......she exhibits acting qualities that are like male actors in the best sense - it's exciting to watch her go about her acting choices within roles. You know that I will always prefer Kirsten Dunst and Samantha Morton (British), but I love Williams too. It's super early, I know, but I do think Adam Driver will be the ultimate winner for Marriage Story.
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Post by Mattsby on Oct 5, 2019 2:43:53 GMT
Few actors been on my mind recently, gonna try to cover 'em in one fell swoop. Not mentioned yet .... with Ruby Dee in '67 The IncidentMartin Sheen - you know, Pacino's old roommate! They actually used to help with the set design for the Living Theater on some important plays like The Connection in '59. He's done a few Broadway plays (Tony nom - '65, The Subject Was Roses) and Off-Broadway under Joseph Papp including Shakespeare, he did a daring Hamlet in '68 and Julius Caesar w/ Pacino in '88. So having come from the stage (studied under Adler) he acclimated quite seriously to the movies - with shuffling charm (Badlands), a great deviousness (Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane), very strong presence (Apocalypse Now, BAFTA nom but no Oscar love) with that unforgettable vocal crackle. Put him in a suit, he could play your boss, put him in a jean jacket he could play the guy who jumps your boss. I feel like oddly no one ever talks about him.... 250ish IMDb credits across movies/TV. 10 Emmy noms, 1 win. N/S The West Wing (155eps) or Grace and Frankie (68 eps, still going). Anyone have any favorite underseen perfs? Sheen actually wrote a two-act off-Broadway play in '69 called Down the Morning Line that brings us to one of its cast members, in one of his first plays: Danny DeVito. Like Sheen, he's in his 70s, no Oscar noms for acting, 1 Emmy win ('81 Taxi), and 1 Tony nom ('17 The Price). DeVito just this decade seemed to get his stage legs back - after starting his career often off-Broadway - The Sunshine Boys in the West End and in LA (with his old buddy Judd Hirsch), and Broadway debut Arthur Miller's The Price, and it wouldn't surprise me if he returned. An unlikely, unforgettable actor - a few major comedic TV shows, 114eps of Taxi, and riotously undaunted in 146eps and counting of Always Sunny, as a leading man underrated and stripped of his outsized personality in Tin Men, he's quite good in some of Jack the Bear too, and an outstanding supporting player (to quote Ebert - often playing "a wise, profane little shadow") - Batman Returns he's obscenely vicious, War of the Roses, Get Shorty, The Rainmaker, Man on the Moon, Heist ("Don't you wanna hear my last words?"), Anything Else, Solitary Man.... 2013 The Sunshine Boys, LAspeaking of Judd Hirsch, he's only done like 20 movies - strong affecting work in Ordinary People and Running On Empty, he's loathsome (that's part of it) in King of the Gypsies, but he's a big-time TV/Stage player, and to my surprise he's a 2x Tony winner ('86, '92), also a 2x Emmy winner ('81, '83), with one Oscar nom ('81). Even at 84y/o he's got interesting stuff coming up... Uncut Gems, and parts in two big new Amazon shows, Modern Love, and The Hunt opposite Pacino!
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 5, 2019 7:42:48 GMT
The Incident is a good film too - very much of the time and very good to get an example of that type of theater too. Just watched him this week in the creepily or cheesy effective Ghost Story episode Dark Vengeance - worth a watch being the Halloween season - I'm a sucker for that episodic TV horror though the scariest thing may be the hilarious special effects!
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Post by thomasjerome on Oct 5, 2019 11:31:15 GMT
Anyone have any favorite underseen perfs? "The War at Home" (1996) and "The Way" (2010), both are brilliant performances directed by his own son Emilio (who was a good actor in his own right; "Rated X" I mean). I'd like to give a mention to a very less known, 70s ABC film "Sweet Hostage", where he is captivating once again. Cool villain in "Truth or Consequences, N.M." (1997) also.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 16, 2019 13:27:08 GMT
The upcoming Oscar puts an odd spotlight on Scarlett Johansson, a Tony winner who this year may win Best Actress (her 2 competitors are both previous winners) but has been looked over for Oscar nominations before and prior to this year seemed unlikely to win maybe. But Johansson with an Oscar win this year, though would be achingly close to winning the triple crown - a TV movie seems a no-brainer for her too. She's in her mid-30s, the worlds highest paid actress.....in a unique position indeed - no actress of her age, aside from Michelle Williams seems as "triple crown ready" as she does. In her Tony winning role, in A View From The Bridge:
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Post by hugobolso on Oct 16, 2019 14:34:50 GMT
Glenn close is the First Lady of Theatre who later become a Hollywood Star, and continue her theatre career as well, since Helen Hayes.- In her peak she was performing in theatres, TV and films at the same time.-
Unlike other Hollywood stars she isn't Eve Farrington.-
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Post by TerryMontana on Oct 16, 2019 17:21:02 GMT
In her Tony winning role, in A View From The Bridge: When was that???
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 16, 2019 17:25:00 GMT
In her Tony winning role, in A View From The Bridge: When was that??? 2010 - Best Featured Actress In A Play (the equivalent of "Supporting")
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 22, 2019 16:15:33 GMT
A guy who maybe hasn't gotten his due - we often talk about Del Toro and Bardem but lately much interesting work has come from Antonio BanderasStar of several Almodóvar films, some theater work including Nine on Broadway and twice Emmy nominated he is one of those rare guys that's doing his most lauded work as he approaches 60 ..........and he is close to possibly earning his first Oscar nominated. He's one of those guys you could see working all 3 mediums for the next decade.
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Post by pacinoyes on Oct 29, 2019 10:50:56 GMT
Not yet mentioned and he may be the very first guy a lot of people think of across all 3 mediums because he can sing too - Hugh JackmanAn Emmy (though not for acting), Tony (and Grammy!) winner, on Oscar nominee, and some people had Jackman down as an outside Oscar contender THIS year for Bad Education - a comedy-drama which is now sold to HBO - so goodbye movies, hello TV there. He typifies the talented guy who is squeezed out of roles. At 51 and looking great he's too old to make a big splash but he has quite a following too - who'd follow him down many paths, that he could go down. He'll be one to watch in his 50s and a Hugh Grant-like character roles shift could be just what he needs ..........in the movies at least: In Bad Education:
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