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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 23, 2018 10:09:38 GMT
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 23, 2018 13:44:33 GMT
Guns aren't bad per se. Look at this woman's record en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_RhodeAsk your biathlon champion Fourcade (even if today wasn't his day). I wouldn't want my kids' teachers going to school with a gun though. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2018 15:48:12 GMT
Guns aren't bad per se. Look at this woman's record en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_RhodeAsk your biathlon champion Fourcade (even if today wasn't his day). I wouldn't want my kids' teachers going to school with a gun though. Cherry, that's maybe the dumbest thing you've ever said on this board. I'm sorry, but you're bringing something entirely unrelated into this conversation. Sporting firearms are not the issue here. We're talking about the actual, dangerous, concealable weapons that you can bring into any public place and kill half a dozen people with in the span of 40 seconds. |
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 23, 2018 16:26:33 GMT
Guns aren't bad per se. Look at this woman's record en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_RhodeAsk your biathlon champion Fourcade (even if today wasn't his day). I wouldn't want my kids' teachers going to school with a gun though. Cherry, that's maybe the dumbest thing you've ever said on this board. I'm sorry, but you're bringing something entirely unrelated into this conversation. Sporting firearms are not the issue here. We're talking about the actual, dangerous, concealable weapons that you can bring into any public place and kill half a dozen people with in the span of 40 seconds. Sport guns are more or less the same. Explosives can be used to build galleries, fireworks or for bombs. The responsibility is always of the human using them. A terrorist with a truck killed 86 people in Nice in few minutes. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2018 16:31:10 GMT
Cherry, that's maybe the dumbest thing you've ever said on this board. I'm sorry, but you're bringing something entirely unrelated into this conversation. Sporting firearms are not the issue here. We're talking about the actual, dangerous, concealable weapons that you can bring into any public place and kill half a dozen people with in the span of 40 seconds. Sport guns are more or less the same. Explosives can be used to build galleries, fireworks or for bombs. The responsibility is always of the human using them. A terrorist with a truck killed 86 people in Nice in few minutes. No matter what statistics or counterarguments are brought up, you never change your same few talking points, so let's just wash our hands of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 16:33:27 GMT
Sport guns are more or less the same. Explosives can be used to build galleries, fireworks or for bombs. The responsibility is always of the human using them. A terrorist with a truck killed 86 people in Nice in few minutes. No matter what statistics or counterarguments are brought up, you never change your same few talking points, so let's just wash our hands of it. I've yet to see a convincing argument against those talking points, though. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 23, 2018 16:41:34 GMT
Those are the Republicans who are being called out for accepting NRA money in his ear going "just shift focus to the video games and movies!"
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 23, 2018 16:42:24 GMT
This just cured Jack Thompson’s ED. EDIT: This is gold.  |
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Post by quetee on Feb 23, 2018 17:16:54 GMT
Those are the Republicans who are being called out for accepting NRA money in his ear going "just shift focus to the video games and movies!" exactly. I'm surprised he didn't blame it on streep. Lmao. |
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Post by cherry68 on Feb 23, 2018 17:27:47 GMT
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 23, 2018 18:12:44 GMT
Disagree about blaming movies and video games but agree with arming trained teachers.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 23, 2018 18:45:30 GMT
Well, good thing America's the only country with access to violent movies and video games otherwise there'd be mass chaos all over the world!
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Post by dazed on Feb 23, 2018 19:03:40 GMT
It’s 2018 and we’re still arguing about this?
Oh my. 🤦♂️
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 23, 2018 22:05:55 GMT
You mean arming professionals who are themselves scared shitless by the possibility of getting mowed down whenever they show up for work, whose job is supposed to be to foster a healthy, welcoming learning environment for children, and who will be woefully unprepared to handle a high-risk life-or-death situation even if they get the bare minimum training on how to point a gun and shoot? What could possibly go wrong with that, something something shithole countries?
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2018 22:30:11 GMT
No matter what statistics or counterarguments are brought up, you never change your same few talking points, so let's just wash our hands of it. I've yet to see a convincing argument against those talking points, though. I argued some with Cherry on another thread. Not extensively, but enough to know that neither of us is going to budge. I do think that ignoring the prevalence of guns being used in violent acts is like ignoring the prevalence of cancer in death rates. "But people would die even if cancer was around, so why are we trying to cure it?" |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 22:55:49 GMT
I've yet to see a convincing argument against those talking points, though. I argued some with Cherry on another thread. Not extensively, but enough to know that neither of us is going to budge. I do think that ignoring the prevalence of guns being used in violent acts is like ignoring the prevalence of cancer in death rates. "But people would die even if cancer was around, so why are we trying to cure it?" The point is that cars/trucks can be used as a very effective substitution if guns were taken out of the equation. If a nutjob wants murder a bunch of people enough, he can find a way... guns or no. |
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 23, 2018 23:16:41 GMT
I argued some with Cherry on another thread. Not extensively, but enough to know that neither of us is going to budge. I do think that ignoring the prevalence of guns being used in violent acts is like ignoring the prevalence of cancer in death rates. "But people would die even if cancer was around, so why are we trying to cure it?" The point is that cars/trucks can be used as a very effective substitution if guns were taken out of the equation. If a nutjob wants murder a bunch of people enough, he can find a way... guns or no. That's no excuse not to prevent it from happening, though. If the risk exists, then measures must be taken to make sure there's as few victims as possible, and making firearms less easily accessible is a step towards that. The government doesn't get a pass not to do anything at all because oh well, people are gonna die anyways!. The convenience of having increasingly lethal weapons within quick reach is a huge part of why this happens so often in the US. Any nutjob can take a car or a truck and run it over a crowd like in Charlottesville or Nice, but I don't see anyone arguing against background checks, exams and driver's tests because of that. Much like alcohol, guns and vehicles are useful, which is why they shouldn't be banned, but they're dangerous, which is why we don't let just anybody get ahold of them. Demanding that people are evaluated before they're given a license isn't violating their right to drive, and the same goes for guns. Compare the number of mass shootings in the US during the past year and the number of mass murders involving any other means. If someone wants to rob your house enough, they'll find a way. That doesn't stop you from locking the doors. |
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 23, 2018 23:18:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 23:41:48 GMT
The point is that cars/trucks can be used as a very effective substitution if guns were taken out of the equation. If a nutjob wants murder a bunch of people enough, he can find a way... guns or no. That's no excuse not to prevent it from happening, though. If the risk exists, then measures must be taken to make sure there's as few victims as possible, and making firearms less easily accessible is a step towards that. The government doesn't get a pass not to do anything at all because oh well, people are gonna die anyways!. The convenience of having increasingly lethal weapons within quick reach is a huge part of why this happens so often in the US. Any nutjob can take a car or a truck and run it over a crowd like in Charlottesville or Nice, but I don't see anyone arguing against background checks, exams and driver's tests because of that. Much like alcohol, guns and vehicles are useful, which is why they shouldn't be banned, but they're dangerous, which is why we don't let just anybody get ahold of them. Demanding that people are evaluated before they're given a license isn't violating their right to drive, and the same goes for guns. Compare the number of mass shootings in the US during the past year and the number of mass murders involving any other means. If someone wants to rob your house enough, they'll find a way. That doesn't stop you from locking the doors. I honestly agree with the majority of what you're saying... I'm not sure if we even differ on this issue at all. What's your take on automatic/semi-automatic rifles? But anyway, there's always going to be safety concerns within a society that doesn't have a completely authoritarian and benevolent state watching over it (which I don't think anyone wants). It all comes down to freedom vs. safety. There's no morally correct answer as to the exact amount of regulation on guns, cars, drugs, or anything tbh. |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 24, 2018 18:06:11 GMT
And apparently porn, too.Because if there’s one thing Conservatives hate more than gun restrictions, it’s women who *consent* to having sex.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Feb 24, 2018 18:17:13 GMT
This just cured Jack Thompson’s ED. EDIT: This is gold. Proof that nothing can be too sarcastic as long as it's funny. |
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Post by countjohn on Feb 26, 2018 2:07:09 GMT
And apparently porn, too.Because if there’s one thing Conservatives hate more than gun restrictions, it’s women who *consent* to having sex. Well, people on the left go after porn all the time too these days. |
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Post by countjohn on Feb 26, 2018 2:09:15 GMT
Well, good thing America's the only country with access to violent movies and video games otherwise there'd be mass chaos all over the world! Japan spends even more money per capita on games than we do and they don't have these problems. |
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 26, 2018 2:23:02 GMT
Well, good thing America's the only country with access to violent movies and video games otherwise there'd be mass chaos all over the world! Japan spends even more money per capita on games than we do and they don't have these problems. Yup. Not only that, but Japan has the most degenerate forms of porn and they don’t have problems. |
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Feb 26, 2018 2:40:42 GMT
And apparently porn, too.Because if there’s one thing Conservatives hate more than gun restrictions, it’s women who *consent* to having sex. Well, people on the left go after porn all the time too these days. It was too easy a joke to make after the Trump/Roy Moore scandals. |
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