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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 18:33:29 GMT
Here's the thing: a lot of people didn't hear the Howard Stern interview, and it is indeed quite startling to hear Tarantino try and rationalize a 44-year-old man taking advantage of an underage girl. Even if she was the one who initiated it or wanted it, she still had no way to give consent. Hell, she was under the influence at the time, so even if she weren't underage, it's still taking undue advantage. And the problem with living in a society where everything you say or write can be dredged up at any time is just this: nothing is off-the-cuff anymore, and even if this comment was blasé, it can look pretty damning down the line. Do I think this means that Tarantino approves of what Polanski did? No. Same with when Whoopi Goldberg talked about it a few years ago. (Remember? "It wasn't rape rape!") But they, as did many of those people who signed that petition, felt back then that Polanski was screwed over by an overzealous judge who reneged on a plea bargain after Polanski served his jail time. That is a reasonable argument. It's ridiculous that Polanski had gotten such an easy deal in the first place, because regardless of the traumatic life he'd led until that point, he still victimized a teenage girl. He needed to be punished for that. But the judicial powers-that-be overstepped their boundaries after the fact, and the idea that our legal system can all of a sudden do that on a whim is terrifying. So from that standpoint, yeah, people felt that Polanski's decades-long exile had been enough, and the victim herself had come forward and said that she had forgiven him and that she wanted it all put behind her. Now, in the wake of the downfall of Weinstein and the more laser-like focus that society puts on things like this, scrutiny is at an all-time high and previous issues are being brought up, even if new evidence hasn't been brought up (i.e. Woody Allen, where aside from Dylan Farrow reasserting her claims, there hasn't been a shred of any new evidence since the investigation nearly thirty years ago). People who were at ease with being able to recognize an artist for their work is now being condemned because they are seen to be tacitly approving the crimes, alleged or otherwise. It's one thing to awaken to the realization that you used the wrong language to describe an act in order to mitigate it because you like someone's work, or to realize that you were far too dismissive of it, but what frightens me is the hypocrisy that boils to the surface. For years, Carrie has vocally lambasted those who signed that petition and who applauded Polanski the night he won the Oscar. And yet many of those same people are willing to openly decry Polanski or Allen today, and while I don't entirely disagree with them being able to do that, a lot of it seems to be because it's fashionable to piggyback off of a growing movement of change or to ensure they are bulletproof against accusations of their own or the withering scorn that they feel might come their way for not speaking out. 13-year-olds, dude. Doesn't matter what the girl's intent was. She couldn't legally give consent. Even if Polanski didn't know how old she was and could prove that, the act is what matters, not the intent. That's the law. Who was this "Carrie"?
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 6, 2018 19:17:58 GMT
Oh for god sakes. It's a 15 year old interview, sure it's relevant, but so many people in Hollywood loved and defended Polanski around that time. It's not that surprising, and bringing it up again makes no difference at this point.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 6, 2018 19:21:32 GMT
This is getting ridiculous. The Internet goes nuts about Tarantino after the Thurman article, but Thurman clears his name. But that's not enough for the Internet - this 15-year old recording resurfaces as if it's news. Although it's been there for ages, available for everyone to hear. I guess the desire to sink Tarantino down to the ground is just too strong. How is this news? I disagree with his comments as much as the next guy but what do they have to do with anything? So they're now trying to destroy people for just commenting on other people 15 years ago? Rough times. I guess the Polanski petition signers should be destroyed as well. And how about turning that video of Polanski's Oscar win into news too? I mean, most of Hollywood was cheering like crazy, also 15 years ago. Instead of posting this old audio, a better option would be to ask him about it all now. That'd be news worthy. You can take issue with it resurfacing now. I'm just reacting to it because I had never heard that clip before in my life, and it was shocking to hear. I would have been shocked and disgusted by his attitude back then too had I heard it (hell, Howard Stern and Robin Quivers were shocked too. It was Hollywood that seemed to have the blinders on). But I'm someone who bashed everyone who signed the petition. I've been consistent on this. I've never been for taking Polanski's Oscar back because that had nothing to do with his crime. That was for a film. Now that this has resurfaced, I hope Tarantino does get the opportunity to be asked about this now, and hopefully, he's done some growing in the last 15 years and no longer has this blase attitude about it. To be clear, I wasn't attacking you - I understand why you posted this. I'm more mad at the websites that post this 'news'.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 6, 2018 19:31:09 GMT
Here's the thing: a lot of people didn't hear the Howard Stern interview, and it is indeed quite startling to hear Tarantino try and rationalize a 44-year-old man taking advantage of an underage girl. Even if she was the one who initiated it or wanted it, she still had no way to give consent. Hell, she was under the influence at the time, so even if she weren't underage, it's still taking undue advantage. And the problem with living in a society where everything you say or write can be dredged up at any time is just this: nothing is off-the-cuff anymore, and even if this comment was blasé, it can look pretty damning down the line. Do I think this means that Tarantino approves of what Polanski did? No. Same with when Whoopi Goldberg talked about it a few years ago. (Remember? "It wasn't rape rape!") But they, as did many of those people who signed that petition, felt back then that Polanski was screwed over by an overzealous judge who reneged on a plea bargain after Polanski served his jail time. That is a reasonable argument. It's ridiculous that Polanski had gotten such an easy deal in the first place, because regardless of the traumatic life he'd led until that point, he still victimized a teenage girl. He needed to be punished for that. But the judicial powers-that-be overstepped their boundaries after the fact, and the idea that our legal system can all of a sudden do that on a whim is terrifying. So from that standpoint, yeah, people felt that Polanski's decades-long exile had been enough, and the victim herself had come forward and said that she had forgiven him and that she wanted it all put behind her. Now, in the wake of the downfall of Weinstein and the more laser-like focus that society puts on things like this, scrutiny is at an all-time high and previous issues are being brought up, even if new evidence hasn't been brought up (i.e. Woody Allen, where aside from Dylan Farrow reasserting her claims, there hasn't been a shred of any new evidence since the investigation nearly thirty years ago). People who were at ease with being able to recognize an artist for their work is now being condemned because they are seen to be tacitly approving the crimes, alleged or otherwise. It's one thing to awaken to the realization that you used the wrong language to describe an act in order to mitigate it because you like someone's work, or to realize that you were far too dismissive of it, but what frightens me is the hypocrisy that boils to the surface. For years, Carrie has vocally lambasted those who signed that petition and who applauded Polanski the night he won the Oscar. And yet many of those same people are willing to openly decry Polanski or Allen today, and while I don't entirely disagree with them being able to do that, a lot of it seems to be because it's fashionable to piggyback off of a growing movement of change or to ensure they are bulletproof against accusations of their own or the withering scorn that they feel might come their way for not speaking out. 13-year-olds, dude. Doesn't matter what the girl's intent was. She couldn't legally give consent. Even if Polanski didn't know how old she was and could prove that, the act is what matters, not the intent. That's the law. Who was this "Carrie"? Presumably our own Prom Queen/Night Carrie
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Post by countjohn on Feb 6, 2018 19:43:09 GMT
Scorsese, Aronofsky, Inarritu, Michael Mann, Alexander Payne, and Wes Anderson all signed that stupid petition, plus big movie stars like Harrison Ford, Natalie Portman, and Penelope Cruz. This isn't to defend him at all since what he said is obviously dumb and wrong, but if you're going to say he shouldn't be able to make movies anymore due to this you've pretty much got to toss out the whole current crop of Hollywood since that was the consensus attitude back then.
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Post by jakesully on Feb 6, 2018 20:20:23 GMT
Leo's gotta be like
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 6, 2018 20:30:07 GMT
I see the videos are being removed. I can see why. If you didn't hear the audio and only read the article, let me tell you, the audio was way worse. Much more damaging than a signature on a petition.
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 6, 2018 21:09:49 GMT
Scorsese, Aronofsky, Inarritu, Michael Mann, Alexander Payne, and Wes Anderson all signed that stupid petition, plus big movie stars like Harrison Ford, Natalie Portman, and Penelope Cruz. This isn't to defend him at all since what he said is obviously dumb and wrong, but if you're going to say he shouldn't be able to make movies anymore due to this you've pretty much got to toss out the whole current crop of Hollywood since that was the consensus attitude back then. Never said he shouldn't.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Feb 6, 2018 22:38:15 GMT
I wouldn't say this ruins Tarantino, but he needs to answer for it. Especially since Polanski will be a subject in his upcoming film.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 7, 2018 8:12:37 GMT
“And by the way, we’re talking about America’s morals, not talking about the morals in Europe and everything.”Wow !!!! Fuck you , Quentin ! Drugging and raping teenage girls is abnormal in Europe as well ! Gifted director but a piece of sh!t of an human being ! I thought he meant that American moral was more open than European standards. What wilcinema said : Yeah, no. He seriously thinks (thought?) that something like that is acceptable here in Europe.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 7, 2018 16:23:27 GMT
Roman Polanski abuse victim hits out at Quentin Tarantino's claims she was 'down to party' when she was raped and sodomized aged 13 In a 2003 Howard Stern interview, Tarantino passionately defends Polanski Polanski fled to Paris before being sentenced for raping the 13-year-old girl The Kill Bill director repeatedly claims she 'wanted' to have sex with Polanski Samantha Geimer said she doesnt care what people think and has forgiven him She said Tarantino should sto making an 'ass' of himself Samantha Geimer is speaking out after a 15-year-old interview resurfaced in which Tarantino defended his fellow director against the rape accusations, despite the fact Polanski pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor before fleeing to France in 1978. The now 54-year-old said: 'It's not a big deal to me what people think. It doesn't make a difference in my life. I know what happened. I do not need other people weighing in on what it's like getting raped at 13. 'I'm not upset, but I would probably feel better if he realizes now that he was wrong, after 15 years, after hearing the facts. Nobody has to be pissed off on my behalf. I'm okay.' She added to the New York Daily News: 'He was wrong and I bet he knows it. I hope he doesn't make an ass out of himself and keep talking that way.' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5362927/Polanski-victim-slams-Tarantino-claims-sex-consensual.htmlMore power to Samantha Geimer for being so understanding and forgiving . Polanski and QT are still vile human beings nonetheless.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 7, 2018 20:48:15 GMT
^Glad she weighed in and that she made it clear it was rape what happened to her. I bet Tarantino is embarrassed by that clip now. I think he read Polanski's version in the book which attempted to justify it in his sick way (with no remorse btw) as he painted her as some Lolita figure, and Tarantino bought into it negating the fact that a child is a child and can't consent. And he seemed to insist on Stern that rape is only rape if someone is super violent. I don't know if Tarantino will respond, but I'm sure he will have a different view today.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Feb 8, 2018 17:18:19 GMT
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 19:43:17 GMT
My ass. That fucking scumbag can rot. I don't care how many great films he has.
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Post by JangoB on Feb 8, 2018 21:38:59 GMT
Fuck me, they're beyond reaching at this point: www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fergie-says-quentin-tarantino-bit-her-a-film-set-resurfaced-interview-1083152The circus continues. Tarantino apologizes to Samantha Geimer, but that ain't enough! Here's the latest pathetic attempt to drag him. By posting something that everyone has been able to see on their DVDs of "Planet Terror" for AGES (I know I have) and where Fergie is obviously having fun with it all. Again, she hasn't brought this up or anything. Just sleazy journos getting more and more desperate for clicks. What a world.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 8, 2018 22:28:26 GMT
See, all he did was talk, that's all, and they used his mere words against him at first. So he apologizes and rather than using those words as an opportunity to heal, 15 years later, ending it, it just makes him susceptible as a new target.
Stop talking now. Let them say what they want. You're not Timothee Chalamet, you're f'n Quentin Tarantino - you can write and make films so get p*ssed off and make a good movie. Polanski too actually...
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2018 22:59:54 GMT
See, all he did was talk, that's all, and they used his mere words against him at first. So he apologizes and rather than using those words as an opportunity to heal, 15 years later, ending it, it just makes him susceptible as a new target. Stop talking now. Let them say what they want. You're not Timothee Chalamet, you're f'n Quentin Tarantino - you can write and make films so get p*ssed off and make a good movie. Polanski too actually... No fucking way he doesn't feel the exact way. Him and all these other celebrities saying how awful all the abuse is coming out of Hollywood are full of shit.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 8, 2018 23:32:22 GMT
My ass. That fucking scumbag can rot. I don't care how many great films he has. Are you talking about Polanski or Tarantino?
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2018 1:20:55 GMT
My ass. That fucking scumbag can rot. I don't care how many great films he has. Are you talking about Polanski or Tarantino? Tarantino but yeah I hope Polanski gets gang raped in prison.
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