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Post by Viced on Feb 5, 2018 22:08:46 GMT
First order of business--- think of a better name.
Second order of business------ find out who is interested in running them. I will help but I'm too busy lately to be able to do it all myself. I don't know.... maybe 3-5 or even more people to help set it up, count the ballots, and present the nominees/winners when the time comes.... and whatever else.
So..... who's interested?
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Post by coop032 on Feb 5, 2018 22:28:34 GMT
Since we’re pretty much starting fresh here, maybe we can consider adding some new categories here? Could be fun. If anyone has any ideas please list them and we can all decide later.
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Post by helebrety on Feb 5, 2018 23:10:43 GMT
yes let's do it!
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Post by dadsburgers on Feb 6, 2018 0:07:02 GMT
My ideas for categories: Motion Picture (Drama) Motion Picture (Comedy) Director Original Screenplay Adapted Screenplay Ensemble Performance Lead Actress Lead Actor Supporting Actress Supporting Actor Voiceover Performance Youth Performance (under 16 years old) Film Editing Cinematography Production Design Costume Design Hair & Makeup Sound Design Original Score Original Song Special Visual Effects Stunt Coordination & Choreography Animated Feature Documentary Feature Foreign Language Feature Directorial Debut Breakthrough Performance Short Film
I'm also down for including some fun special categories like: Hollywood MVP (for breadth of work) Quote of the Year Villain of the Year Queer Cinema Award Black Cinema Award
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 6, 2018 0:09:30 GMT
If you need a ballot counter, I'm open for it, I guess.
And since I believe that it should be considered, I suggest that Stephen's proposal of moving the awards to Summer be considered for debate and vote.
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Post by mhynson27 on Feb 6, 2018 0:19:36 GMT
I'm down
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Post by DeepArcher on Feb 6, 2018 0:24:08 GMT
I'm in!
I'd also maybe help count some ballots if needed.
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Post by dadsburgers on Feb 6, 2018 1:00:12 GMT
I also actually like your name for it! AMARAs for short
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Post by Sharbs on Feb 6, 2018 1:02:48 GMT
Hellz yeah, I'd count too if needed. The name could be, The MARA's which said in full is incredibly redundant, but is a decent acronym
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 6, 2018 1:03:44 GMT
I say we call them
The MARX Awards
Movie Awards ReduX. Groucho could be our master of ceremonies.
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Post by stephen on Feb 6, 2018 1:06:03 GMT
I like "Amara" myself.
I don't want there to be divergent comedy/drama categories. I think we pretty much keep the same ICC categories.
Also, how would people feel about possibly going back and doing classic-era cinema as well? My personal lineups go back to 1915, but we could start at 1925 or 1930 in the off-season.
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Post by Sharbs on Feb 6, 2018 1:11:32 GMT
I like "Amara" myself. I don't want there to be divergent comedy/drama categories. I think we pretty much keep the same ICC categories. Also, how would people feel about possibly going back and doing classic-era cinema as well? My personal lineups go back to 1915, but we could start at 1925 or 1930 in the off-season. in a couple of years so most of us youngens can get woke 😜
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Post by finniussnrub on Feb 6, 2018 1:27:35 GMT
I say keep the same categories and please do not separate picture by genre.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 3:38:49 GMT
If it's gonna be held in April-May time then I can take some responsibility if needed. Im in nevertheless
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Post by wilcinema on Feb 6, 2018 7:30:27 GMT
I like AMARA. In Italian, it means "bitter". Aren't we all? And yes to pushing them to April or May. There are so many movies that I still have left to watch
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Post by pendragon on Feb 6, 2018 9:07:27 GMT
Also, how would people feel about possibly going back and doing classic-era cinema as well? My personal lineups go back to 1915, but we could start at 1925 or 1930 in the off-season. This could be fun, though I don't know how many of us could go back that far. Maybe if we worked backwards, it would give people time to beef up their lineups.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 6, 2018 14:08:31 GMT
My ideas for categories: Queer Cinema Award Black Cinema Award No. No no no no no no no. I'm not having this turned into a SJW fest.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 6, 2018 14:25:12 GMT
My ideas for categories: Motion Picture (Drama) Motion Picture (Comedy) Director Original Screenplay Adapted Screenplay Ensemble Performance Lead Actress Lead Actor Supporting Actress Supporting Actor Voiceover Performance Youth Performance (under 16 years old) Film Editing Cinematography Production Design Costume Design Hair & Makeup Sound Design Original Score Original Song Special Visual Effects Stunt Coordination & Choreography Animated Feature Documentary Feature Foreign Language Feature Directorial Debut Breakthrough Performance Short Film I'm also down for including some fun special categories like: Hollywood MVP (for breadth of work) Quote of the Year Villain of the Year Queer Cinema Award Black Cinema Award
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Post by coop032 on Feb 6, 2018 15:11:17 GMT
Also, how would people feel about possibly going back and doing classic-era cinema as well? My personal lineups go back to 1915, but we could start at 1925 or 1930 in the off-season. This could be fun, though I don't know how many of us could go back that far. Maybe if we worked backwards, it would give people time to beef up their lineups. I really like the idea of doing them all and going backwards. I don't know if we'd start with 2016 or pre-ICC years, but it sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe we could do one every 3-4 months (maybe not as much time needed for more recent years) and give people plenty of time to catch up on films for that year and do FYC throughout to help people know what they still need to see.
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Post by idioticbunny on Feb 6, 2018 17:45:22 GMT
Firstly, AMARA sounds cool but also long. MARX makes me think of Karl Marx which is weird. But I can't think of any better names to suggest, so AMARA works. I'd be glad to help of course, especially as I've run the ICCs for the past six years or so - just in case you're looking for some credentials One year when I was solely in charge of the ICCs I ran the idea of extra categories and everyone went ape-shit about it. But if you're cool with doing extra categories here, outside of the usual ICC ones, I'd be happy to suggest some. From dadsburger's list, I like the idea of Youth and Voiceover performances, though I hope that doesn't mean people are less inclined to vote for either of those in the big four performance categories too (never know how people think). I also am with Stephen on not being a fan of the Golden Globe type of split Picture categories. I'd rather keep it as one because then we don't have to worry about "wait is this movie a comedy or drama?" Plus it just makes it more interesting to see what makes the cut rather than struggling to find good ones to fill either category. "Soundtrack" is another category to include from the ICC categories, but I've also previously included "Use of a Song" as well. Essentially, best use of a specific song for a specific scene. For example, "Bellbottoms" by Jon Spencer Blues Explosion from Baby Driver would probably make the cut for its use in the (bad-ass) opening scene. Also, Best Credits Sequence - I personally have this category in all my line-ups every year because I feel like sometimes they're an art in themselves. I think I added this back in 2012 after everyone went nuts for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo's opening credits and I wanted there to be a way to reward them. So, this is just a start if you want to include some new ones and certainly don't have to use any if you don't want. But do let me know if you'd like some assistance. EDIT: Also, I like the idea stephen presented regarding going all the way back to the 1920s or earlier and essentially working our way down, but I also think that if we only do one year every couple of months or so, we would never complete it. So perhaps if we just shed some of the categories or only did top 25's or 50's for each year, that might be simpler. Of course I would love full line-ups - not just because I finally have seen some movies from then - but also because I'd love to check out other things I missed as well. But if we're only going to do a year each couple of months, that could take a while. Especially when we have to run the 2018 AMARAs and then the 2019 AMARAs, etc. in between. So, I love the idea, but if we could somehow shorten the time in between to mere weeks instead of months for each year, then I'd be down. But obviously up to you guys.
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Post by stephen on Feb 6, 2018 17:49:00 GMT
From dadsburger's list, I like the idea of Youth and Voiceover performances, though I hope that doesn't mean people are less inclined to vote for either of those in the big four performance categories too (never know how people think). I also am with Stephen on not being a fan of the Golden Globe type of split Picture categories. I'd rather keep it as one because then we don't have to worry about "wait is this movie a comedy or drama?" Plus it just makes it more interesting to see what makes the cut rather than struggling to find good ones to fill either category. "Soundtrack" is another category to include from the ICC categories, but I've also previously included "Use of a Song" as well. Essentially, best use of a specific song for a specific scene. For example, "Bellbottoms" by Jon Spencer Blues Explosion from Baby Driver would probably make the cut for its use in the (bad-ass) opening scene. Also, Best Credits Sequence - I personally have this category in all my line-ups every year because I feel like sometimes they're an art in themselves. I think I added this back in 2012 after everyone went nuts for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo's opening credits and I wanted there to be a way to reward them. So, this is just a start if you want to include some new ones and certainly don't have to use any if you don't want. But do let me know if you'd like some assistance. I personally hate the idea of having "youth" performances in their own category because it feels like that would be basically the consolation prize for a Tremblay or a Wallis, rather than them contending with the big guns as they should. It just lends more credence to the ludicrous idea that kids can't be considered on the same level as adults when it comes to acting. "Voiceover" feels, to me, like a category where there are very few in a given year (if at all) that are actually worthy of recognition. It's not every season that we get a Robin Williams/Jeremy Irons/Ellen DeGeneres. I wouldn't be averse to something like a "special recognition" or something, but if there's a strong voiceover performance, it should (like the youths) contend in the main field. Basically, I don't like the idea of too many acting categories. Wouldn't be averse to the soundtrack/credits sequences as categories.
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Post by Sharbs on Feb 6, 2018 17:55:28 GMT
Also, how would people feel about possibly going back and doing classic-era cinema as well? My personal lineups go back to 1915, but we could start at 1925 or 1930 in the off-season. This could be fun, though I don't know how many of us could go back that far. Maybe if we worked backwards, it would give people time to beef up their lineups. i think working backwards is the wrong way to do it. I don't want to watch some director's filmography bacwards just to keep up with these. I do like the idea of doing a year every couple of months so we can all do basically what Bunny has been doing. Hell you could even start with the inception of the Oscars in '27...?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2018 17:56:01 GMT
Agree with all of that.
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Post by idioticbunny on Feb 6, 2018 17:56:02 GMT
I personally hate the idea of having "youth" performances in their own category because it feels like that would be basically the consolation prize for a Tremblay or a Wallis, rather than them contending with the big guns as they should. It just lends more credence to the ludicrous idea that kids can't be considered on the same level as adults when it comes to acting. "Voiceover" feels, to me, like a category where there are very few in a given year (if at all) that are actually worthy of recognition. It's not every season that we get a Robin Williams/Jeremy Irons/Ellen DeGeneres. I wouldn't be averse to something like a "special recognition" or something, but if there's a strong voiceover performance, it should (like the youths) contend in the main field. Basically, I don't like the idea of too many acting categories. Wouldn't be averse to the soundtrack/credits sequences as categories. Honestly, that's how I feel about it too. I mainly was for their inclusion if only so we can see what makes the cut there (perhaps a child or voice performance that never would've made the cut even in a weak year like 2017 just because there are stronger performances in each category). But I absolutely agree that it would feel like throwaway votes for worthy performances (I wasn't that keen on Brooklynn Prince this year, but everyone loved her so I feel like they'd just throw their vote to Youth and then neglect her in Lead Actress). And yeah, this year was pretty lame for animated films let alone animated performances, so it'd be a weak category. Essentially, I'm with you on that and would prefer to leave categories simpler to just see what makes the cut. I mean, Scarlet Johansson made the cut for Her back in the 2014 ICCs, so it's possible if there is passion for it. Same could happen for Prince. Glad you're for those two! Since Saul Bass revolutionized the credits sequence, I'm honestly surprised it didn't become a category in its own right. Sometimes they're just bland, Times New Roman pasting of names at the beginning of a film, but when done right they can be beautiful.
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Post by Martin Stett on Feb 6, 2018 19:06:30 GMT
Since Saul Bass revolutionized the credits sequence, I'm honestly surprised it didn't become a category in its own right. Sometimes they're just bland, Times New Roman pasting of names at the beginning of a film, but when done right they can be beautiful. I feel that most credits sequences in film are pretty bland and it would be hard to come up with anything memorable (which isn't a problem, as obtrusive credits can detract from a film). Television is generally better at this art because it needs a hook to make you stop and watch -- anime TV (and a few films, such as Paprika) has turned this into an art form, creating music videos that can pump you up and give small insights into how the characters think, all in 90 second periods. But in film, credits sequences run the risk of being too flashy or too long if they try to play it up.
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