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Post by atn on Feb 20, 2017 19:17:48 GMT
Only select one for the poll, but if you have a top 5 or such you may of course provide a list below
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Post by dazed on Feb 20, 2017 21:06:37 GMT
FDR!
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Post by vircar2 on Feb 21, 2017 2:48:31 GMT
Barack Obama
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Post by mattfincher on Feb 21, 2017 3:21:53 GMT
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Post by atn on Feb 21, 2017 3:28:15 GMT
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Post by dazed on Feb 21, 2017 5:56:16 GMT
Was going to post the same thing lol. |
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Post by flasuss on Feb 22, 2017 0:25:45 GMT
Teddy Roosevelt is obviously the coolest.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Feb 22, 2017 1:36:42 GMT
how did Jackson get two votes???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 2:14:23 GMT
Jefferson probably. How did Obama get 3 votes? He was extremely mediocre, if not below average. Also, FDR is overrated.
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Post by atn on Feb 22, 2017 2:56:42 GMT
Jefferson probably. How did Obama get 3 votes? He was extremely mediocre, if not below average. Also, FDR is overrated. T A S T E |
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 22, 2017 10:55:02 GMT
Why does Obama have 3 votes? And this isn't my anti-Obama bias talking. Too soon for even the hardcore Obama supporters to call him the GOAT. Trump having a vote is baffling too.
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Post by tobias on Feb 22, 2017 17:33:37 GMT
how did Jackson get two votes??? Because he's the badest mof***** in the game obviously (I mean for real, he was nuts), just like Samuel. Many people consider him a great president though, probably because they think his policies were effective in making America the worldleading nation it is today... #Nativelivesdon'tmatter |
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Post by tobias on Feb 22, 2017 17:57:23 GMT
Really guys? Barack Obama over Abraham Lincoln and George Washington? Every other political consensus this board reaches is hereby null and void Washington is a troll choice aswell if we're really talking politics though. Washington was a general from the economic elite (which lived in a comparable fashion as european aristocrats) who caused the problems Abe had to solve, Abe was a commonman philosopher who was about to solve what is today the most enduring conflict in America (besides capitalism) and then he got murdered. 90 % of Washington's consensus is about him establishing the position by fighting for independence and then about him stepping down. It's a little like comparing Bismarck to Wilhelm II... Bismarck was also a lawyer btw and while he had aristocratic roots he was conflicted about that (as his father was an aristocrat, while his mother was from a common family), he was brought up in a very unusual fashion fro aristocrats. The comparison isn't quite as bad though, Washington never was the megalomaniac idiot that Wilhelm II was but Abe wasn't on Bismarck's level of statemenship either (imo), he seemed like the nicer guy though (Bismarck was pretty ruthless when it came to achieving what he wanted, whereas Abe was more of a humanist). In either case I don't think Washington or Wilhelm II shared half of either Bismarck's or Lincoln's intellectual insights or tactile in statemansship (Wilhelm II comes of as history's biggest idiot though, so I admit maybe the comparison to Washington is off, at least Washington had better people around him and knew when to step down, whereas Wilhelm knew neither). |
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Post by tobias on Feb 22, 2017 18:10:50 GMT
Only select one for the poll, but if you have a top 5 or such you may of course provide a list below Carter because you said favorite. I think he was overchallenged by the job and what he wanted to do with it but he had the heart in the right place as they say and that is a thing I can say about very few American presidents and certainly not anyone since Carter. In terms of who was the best, it's probably Abe but I also admire Jefferson for his universal intellectualism (there's a fair chance this man was your most intelligent president ever), LBJ for his brazen statesmanship (and the dickjokes of course, who could forget the dickjokes) and the Roosevelts, however I have reservations about them both. |
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Post by tobias on Feb 22, 2017 18:22:40 GMT
Here's a great quote from Carter on the presidency btw:
Also sorry for 4 posts in a row
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Post by atn on Feb 22, 2017 20:42:03 GMT
Only select one for the poll, but if you have a top 5 or such you may of course provide a list below Carter because you said favorite. I think he was overchallenged by the job and what he wanted to do with it but he had the heart in the right place as they say and that is a thing I can say about very few American presidents and certainly not anyone since Carter. In terms of who was the best, it's probably Abe but I also admire Jefferson for his universal intellectualism (there's a fair chance this man was your most intelligent president ever), LBJ for his brazen statesmanship (and the dickjokes of course, who could forget the dickjokes) and the Roosevelts, however I have reservations about them both. Meh for Carter but respect for the Jefferson shout out. Needs more mentions. |
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Post by atn on Feb 22, 2017 20:44:42 GMT
Oh and whoever put Polk, probably Stephen, nicely done.
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Post by tobias on Feb 22, 2017 22:25:39 GMT
Washington is a troll choice aswell if we're really talking politics though. Washington was a general from the economic elite (which lived in a comparable fashion as european aristocrats) who caused the problems Abe had to solve, Abe was a commonman philosopher who was about to solve what is today the most enduring conflict in America (besides capitalism) and then he got murdered. 90 % of Washington's consensus is about him establishing the position by fighting for independence and then about him stepping down. It's a little like comparing Bismarck to Wilhelm II... Bismarck was also a lawyer btw and while he had aristocratic roots he was conflicted about that (as his father was an aristocrat, while his mother was from a common family), he was brought up in a very unusual fashion fro aristocrats. The comparison isn't quite as bad though, Washington never was the megalomaniac idiot that Wilhelm II was but Abe wasn't on Bismarck's level of statemenship either (imo), he seemed like the nicer guy though (Bismarck was pretty ruthless when it came to achieving what he wanted, whereas Abe was more of a humanist). In either case I don't think Washington or Wilhelm II shared half of either Bismarck's or Lincoln's intellectual insights or tactile in statemansship (Wilhelm II comes of as history's biggest idiot though, so I admit maybe the comparison to Washington is off, at least Washington had better people around him and knew when to step down, whereas Wilhelm knew neither). A pick for Washington wouldn't be for pure statesmanship, but then again neither is the presidency. His stepping down is perhaps the most important act of any president in all of American history, and I don't think his immense leadership in that regard should be minimized. That one deed overshadows Obama's entire presidency by a very very long shot imho. And I didn't even vote for Washington (haven't voted for anyone yet). You complained about people chosing Obama but if it isn't abour pure statesmanship, what's so wrong about Obama? He's the first black president, that's also a big symbol. I don't really see what we're patting Washington on the back for. He was a good general, sure and very enduring but I don't think he's particularly admirable for a president and as I said he was also part of laying the foundation for the civil war and for the racewar. Of course stepping down was a giant precedent for America but if we're talking about Washington and foresight, I'd be very careful. Many of his principles are admirable but I don't necesarily believe he thought in the very grand schemes or was able to comprehend all of the presidency (maybe in that sense he's a little like Carter). The guy was against political parties for god's sake, yet he established a state where they emerged very soon after he stepped down. I think his argument with Jefferson is emblematic of him as a person, he was somewhat narrow-minded. Washington is clearly among the better presidents though, the opinion on him I stated here is in relation to an ideal. However in relation to the rest of your presidents (many of which were rather bad), he's good and I'd probably put him over Obama afterall, presumably also in the top 10. |
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 23, 2017 3:55:08 GMT
FDR gets my vote.
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 23, 2017 18:11:31 GMT
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Feb 23, 2017 23:15:57 GMT
You're trolling me at this point, aren't you Joaquim?  |
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Post by Joaquim on Feb 23, 2017 23:27:59 GMT
You're trolling me at this point, aren't you Joaquim? Are you trolling? |
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