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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 30, 2018 18:29:38 GMT
hollywood needs to stop picking and choosing whom to attack. So where was his outrage when lena his buddy defended an alleged abuser? This year will be one of the lowest rated oscars. I think people are #sick of Hollywood problems
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 30, 2018 21:26:22 GMT
Apatow has friends accused of things, but he wants to earn brownie points focusing on this. He should get his facts straight too because Soon Yi was not a child and Woody Allen did fight for custody of his children. Now I have always maintained that Woody Allen was dead wrong for having an affair with his girlfriend's daughter. Flat out wrong, but what does that have to do with the Dylan Farrow abuse claims, which is what Diane Keaton is defending Woody Allen over?
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Post by quetee on Jan 30, 2018 22:10:43 GMT
Apatow has friends accused of things, but he wants to earn brownie points focusing on this. He should get his facts straight too because Soon Yi was not a child and Woody Allen did fight for custody of his children. Now I have always maintained that Woody Allen was dead wrong for having an affair with his girlfriend's daughter. Flat out wrong, but what does that have to do with the Dylan Farrow abuse claims, which is what Diane Keaton is defending Woody Allen over? there appears to be a lot of fake facts as well as fake outrage in regards to this case. The truth will come out later and unfortunately that is too little too late. Ww will see Ronan on CBS in 20 years talking about how it's too late to apologize to his father.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2018 22:21:37 GMT
Apatow has friends accused of things, but he wants to earn brownie points focusing on this. He should get his facts straight too because Soon Yi was not a child and Woody Allen did fight for custody of his children. Now I have always maintained that Woody Allen was dead wrong for having an affair with his girlfriend's daughter. Flat out wrong, but what does that have to do with the Dylan Farrow abuse claims, which is what Diane Keaton is defending Woody Allen over? Apatow’s friends? Who are they? What are they accused of?
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 31, 2018 0:15:00 GMT
Apatow has friends accused of things, but he wants to earn brownie points focusing on this. He should get his facts straight too because Soon Yi was not a child and Woody Allen did fight for custody of his children. Now I have always maintained that Woody Allen was dead wrong for having an affair with his girlfriend's daughter. Flat out wrong, but what does that have to do with the Dylan Farrow abuse claims, which is what Diane Keaton is defending Woody Allen over? there appears to be a lot of fake facts as well as fake outrage in regards to this case. The truth will come out later and unfortunately that is too little too late. Ww will see Ronan on CBS in 20 years talking about how it's too late to apologize to his father. Well, I have nothing against Ronan Farrow. I think he genuinely believes Woody Allen molested his sister, so I understand his position. And I admire his work in exposing not only Harvey Weinstein but the press machine that was behind him. If it's ever revealed that this was all manipulation on Mia Farrow's part, then that would be Dylan's story to tell above anyone else's.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 31, 2018 1:23:21 GMT
Apatow has friends accused of things, but he wants to earn brownie points focusing on this. He should get his facts straight too because Soon Yi was not a child and Woody Allen did fight for custody of his children. Now I have always maintained that Woody Allen was dead wrong for having an affair with his girlfriend's daughter. Flat out wrong, but what does that have to do with the Dylan Farrow abuse claims, which is what Diane Keaton is defending Woody Allen over? Apatow’s friends? Who are they? What are they accused of? ...James Franco, Lena Dunham, that writer for Girls.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 31, 2018 2:59:53 GMT
Apatow’s friends? Who are they? What are they accused of? ...James Franco, Lena Dunham, that writer for Girls. None of those are legit. Seth McFarlane didn't get tipoffs on them, we know they're clean. Move along.
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Post by Zeb31 on Jan 31, 2018 3:45:41 GMT
The replies to Keaton's tweet are nasty. Good lord.
There's so much deliberate misinformation and intellectual dishonesty surrounding this entire scandal at this point that there's no sense arguing anymore. Half the people who replied to Keaton's tweet said "he married his daughter, he's obviously a pedophile and fucked the other one too". It's full on vigilantism from people who casually toss out due process of law (which - as it turns out - is kind of a big deal in a free democratic State!) whenever it suits them or makes them look good to their followers.
Judd, sweetie, I like your 3-hour movies more than most people, but kindly shut the fuck up. You and Lena Dunham go to your rooms and think about what you did. Then stay there instead of being hypocrites and begging for likes from the social media lynch mob.
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Post by quetee on Jan 31, 2018 4:07:05 GMT
The replies to Keaton's tweet are nasty. Good lord. There's so much deliberate misinformation and intellectual dishonesty surrounding this entire scandal at this point that there's no sense arguing anymore. Half the people who replied to Keaton's tweet said "he married his daughter, he's obviously a pedophile and fucked the other one too". It's full on vigilantism from people who casually toss out due process of law (which - as it turns out - is kind of a big deal in a free democratic State!) whenever it suits them or makes them look good to their followers. Judd, sweetie, I like your 3-hour movies more than most people, but kindly shut the fuck up. You and Lena Dunham go to your rooms and think about what you did. Then stay there instead of being hypocrites and begging for likes from the social media lynch mob. Pretty much hit it. This whole thing is such a lost cause that it is a waste of energy. People believe what they want to believe and that is the scary part even if there are facts right there in front of them.
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Post by quetee on Jan 31, 2018 4:09:34 GMT
there appears to be a lot of fake facts as well as fake outrage in regards to this case. The truth will come out later and unfortunately that is too little too late. Ww will see Ronan on CBS in 20 years talking about how it's too late to apologize to his father. Well, I have nothing against Ronan Farrow. I think he genuinely believes Woody Allen molested his sister, so I understand his position. And I admire his work in exposing not only Harvey Weinstein but the press machine that was behind him. If it's ever revealed that this was all manipulation on Mia Farrow's part, then that would be Dylan's story to tell above anyone else's. I don't have anything against him but sometimes you have to take the blinders off. Nobody wants to admit that his/her parents are full of crap but sometimes you have to do the math.
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Post by Angry Moe on Feb 4, 2018 1:09:49 GMT
I like to believe Portman now regrets signing that petition.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 11, 2018 18:44:00 GMT
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Post by stephen on Feb 11, 2018 18:48:09 GMT
This has a paywall to me. Mind copy-pasting it?
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 11, 2018 18:53:05 GMT
************************************************************************************************************************* The Smearing of Woody Allen Bret Stephens Bret Stephens FEB. 9, 2018 Soon after Rolling Stone published a sensational — and, as it turned out, false — account of a gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity, Richard Bradley, the editor of Worth magazine, suspected that something was amiss. Basic journalistic rules, such as seeking comment from the alleged perpetrators, had not been observed, he noted on his blog. Details of the assault, one of which seemed ripped from “Silence of the Lambs,” were lurid past the point of plausibility. But what most stirred Bradley’s doubt was how perfectly the story played “into existing biases,” especially the sorts of biases Rolling Stone readers might harbor about fraternity life at Southern universities. Since the account of the rape “felt” true, it was easy to assume it was. Since the alleged victim had supposedly suffered grievous harm, it was awkward to challenge her version of events. Since important people took the story on faith and sought to press it into the service of an undeniably noble cause, the story’s moral truth overwhelmed its factual one. All this, Bradley knew, was the surest way to fall for the biggest lies. It’s a caution that could serve journalists and the wider public well in the case of Woody Allen’s alleged molestation, in 1992, of his then-7-year-old adoptive daughter, Dylan Farrow. The case is news again thanks to Farrow, who in December penned an op-ed for The Los Angeles Times titled, “Why Has the #MeToo Revolution Spared Woody Allen?” She repeated her charges against Allen in a tearful interview last month on CBS, and her efforts seem to have had their intended effect: From Mira Sorvino to Natalie Portman, A-list actors are expressing bitter regrets for having worked with Allen. The director is officially radioactive. But if Farrow wants an answer to her question, it’s because we know that the charges #MeToo has leveled against men such as Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey are almost certainly true. The reason they have not been spared is because they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The facts, not the allegations, prove it. Not so with Allen and Farrow. An in-depth, contemporaneous and independent investigation into the allegations, conducted over several months by the Yale-New Haven Hospital in 1992 and 1993, noted that there were “important inconsistencies in Dylan’s statements,” and that “her descriptions of the details surrounding the alleged events were unusual and were inconsistent.” It concluded categorically: “It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen.” That investigation (most of which remains under seal) may or may not be dispositive. It has been criticized over the years, including by a judge who ruled against Allen in his custody battle for Dylan and her siblings. But since the State of Connecticut declined to press charges against Allen, it is what we have to go on. Shouldn’t the weight of available evidence, to say nothing of the presumption of innocence, extend to the court of public opinion, too? That is a thought lost in some of the commentary about the case. Dylan Farrow is a persuasive interviewee who seems absolutely sincere in her belief that she was molested by Allen as a child. Allen, by contrast, comes across as a grouchy neurotic who, in his late 50s, had a distasteful affair with Mia Farrow’s adopted, barely adult daughter, Soon-Yi Previn. In the contest of sympathies, it’s not hard to guess who wins. But it’s precisely because Dylan’s account plays to our existing biases that we need to treat it with added skepticism. Most parents know that young children are imaginative and suggestible and innocently prone to making things up. The misuse of children’s memories by ambitious prosecutors against day-care center operators in the 1980s led to some of the worst miscarriages of justice in recent U.S. history. You don’t have to doubt Farrow’s honesty to doubt her version of events. Nor have we learned anything else about Allen in the intervening years that might add to suspicions of guilt. He married Soon-Yi and has been with her ever since. Nobody else has come forward in 25 years with a fresh accusation of assault against him. If Allen is in fact a pedophile, he appears to have acted on his evil fantasies exactly once. Compare that to Larry Nassar’s 265 identified victims. It goes without saying that child molestation is a uniquely evil crime that merits the stiffest penalties. But accusing someone of being a molester without abundant evidence is also odious, particularly in an era in which social-media whispers can become the ruin of careers and even of lives. That’s something for all of us to think about, even when it comes to wealthy, peculiar old men for whom we feel no love. We still live in a country that paints a bright line between accusation and fact. Smear the accused, smudge the line, and the truth will never out. ☐ Correction: February 10, 2018 An earlier version of this column misidentified a Yale-New Haven Hospital investigation as the only contemporaneous and independent investigation into Dylan Farrow’s allegations against Woody Allen. The New York State Department of Social Services and the Connecticut State Police also investigated.
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Post by stephen on Feb 11, 2018 19:12:24 GMT
Many thanks for that. It's a good piece, albeit one that doesn't really do anything other than cursorily hash out the facts of the investigation, and it does give us a good, if brief, insight into why Dylan makes for a favorable person to side with as opposed to Allen (I still maintain that, regardless of his guilt or innocence, Allen has handled this entire thing incredibly poorly). Dylan is a victim of abuse, that much is clear, but we should be asking whether or not she is a victim of sexual abuse on the part of Allen or emotional/psychological abuse on the part of her mother. When combined with Moses's allegations, the latter option should not be dismissed out of hand.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 11, 2018 19:17:08 GMT
Correction: February 10, 2018 An earlier version of this column misidentified a Yale-New Haven Hospital investigation as the only contemporaneous and independent investigation into Dylan Farrow’s allegations against Woody Allen. The New York State Department of Social Services and the Connecticut State Police also investigated. No thank you... Portman, Chalamet, et al are who I need on this case. Not some silly state service or police.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 11, 2018 22:54:47 GMT
"But if Farrow wants an answer to her question, it’s because we know that the charges #MeToo has leveled against men such as Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey are almost certainly true. The reason they have not been spared is because they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The facts, not the allegations, prove it." "If Allen is in fact a pedophile, he appears to have acted on his evil fantasies exactly once. Compare that to Larry Nassar’s 265 identified victims." The first part captures my approach to the #metoo movement and accusations. It's why I have no problem blasting people like Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Kevin Spacey- people with a list of accusers so long that it comes to a point where certain things are undeniable- and Polanski, who we know for a fact raped a 13-year-old girl (and there have been other accusers). But I've seen some people in the #metoo movement float around this idea that we should always believe women. And I think that's a dangerous way to operate (not to mention, they seem to neglect male victims) because I have seen cases where women did lie. I've seen women who are batshit crazy make allegations or threaten to make allegations simply because a man stopped calling them. These things do happen. And that last point about Allen and Larry Nassar that I quoted is notable because knowing what we know about child molesters, it's a sickness and those people do not stop. They keep going until someone stops them. Woody Allen doesn't appear to fit that profile, from what we know. And no the Soon-Yi affair is not indicative of him fitting the profile of someone who would molest 7-year-olds. Nor is having storylines in his movies about older men and young women.
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Post by pacinoyes on Feb 14, 2018 22:43:20 GMT
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Post by Zeb31 on Feb 14, 2018 22:47:56 GMT
I agree with her. Same goes for due process of law; that's the epitome of straight white male privilege. Who needs that anyway.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 15, 2018 0:19:41 GMT
As someone who considers the first amendment to be the greatest thing about America, very dangerous, twisted thinking. And as someone who has read many dystopian novels, very scary thinking.
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Post by countjohn on Feb 15, 2018 1:17:04 GMT
I've quit criticizing the "regressive left" recently since we have bigger problems right this second in the wake of Trump, but this idea that a lot of people seem to have that free speech helps "the establishment" or whatever is completely wrong. If you want to ensure that everything stays the same forever, get rid of the 1st Amendment. It's close to impossible to have any kind of social change without free speech.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 15, 2018 18:41:25 GMT
Oh wow, a theater major being overly dramatic... wow... $20 says she's doing this to get her name out there. But if she's truly sincere about not wanting to study artists who have been (allegedly) involved in some uncouth things, then she probably should stop studying any of the arts because I hate to unearth some groundbreaking news but a number far more than zero of highly regarded artists have done a bit of... stuff.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Feb 15, 2018 19:12:14 GMT
Oh wow, a theater major being overly dramatic... wow... $20 says she's doing this to get her name out there. But if she's truly sincere about not wanting to study artists who have been (allegedly) involved in some uncouth things, then she probably should stop studying any of the arts because I hate to unearth some groundbreaking news but a number far more than zero of highly regarded artists have done a bit of... stuff. Right. So is she for creating a system in academia where all people studied have to pass a morality test? I always say the most brilliant people are some of the screwed up people, so good look finding morally righteous subjects to study. And if you restrict it to art, that means say goodbye to that Charlie Chaplin course too.
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Post by stephen on Feb 21, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Feb 21, 2018 21:29:57 GMT
Natalie Portman : ‘It Was a Mistake. My Eyes Were Not Open’
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