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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 15, 2018 19:15:36 GMT
www.indiewire.com/2018/01/natalie-portman-reese-witherspoon-believe-dylan-farrow-times-up-woody-allen-1201917438/Now I do think people are being too hard on any actress who was pictured with Weinstein, but when someone is this ridiculously hypocritical, I have to call it out. Natalie Portman is joining the #metoo bandwagon to attack Woody Allen, but didn't this bitch sign the Polanski petition? The petition to free a man who we know for a fact sodomized a 13-year-old girl? You joined that petition bandwagon back then to support a guilty man, and now you're joining this one to attack a man who could be innocent. Fuck out of here, Natalie Portman.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 15, 2018 19:35:29 GMT
www.indiewire.com/2018/01/natalie-portman-reese-witherspoon-believe-dylan-farrow-times-up-woody-allen-1201917438/Now I do think people are being too hard on any actress who was pictured with Weinstein, but when someone is this ridiculously hypocritical, I have to call it out. Natalie Portman is joining the #metoo bandwagon to attack Woody Allen, but didn't this bitch sign the Polanski petition? The petition to free a man who we know for a fact sodomized a 13-year-old girl? You joined that petition bandwagon back then to support a guilty man, and now you're joining this one to attack a man who could be innocent. Fuck out of here, Natalie Portman. THIS X 100000000000000000.... She's either a a dumb sheep or just so full of shiAt !
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Post by pacinoyes on Jan 15, 2018 19:39:09 GMT
Part of the reason this is such a problem is the nuance of everybody's point. I mean, I guess I believe Dylan too if you are asking me if she thinks it really happened.
If I think Woody Allen did it? Well I don''t know, but I can't come to that judgment with the facts.
Neither can she. I can see the facts of that case just as well as she can.
Perhaps in Polanski's case she thinks he's served his time. I suppose that's possible.
But Woody Allen is a different case entirely than that. Entirely. To even comment on his case shows a complete lack of awareness and nuance.
Which is my long way of saying..............get the fnck out of here Natalie Portman. lol
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Post by quetee on Jan 15, 2018 19:49:31 GMT
Part of the reason this is such a problem is the nuance of everybody's point. I mean, I guess I believe Dylan too if you are asking me if she thinks it really happened. If I think Woody Allen did it? Well I don''t know, but I can't come to that judgment with the facts. Neither can she. I can see the facts of that case just as well as she can. Perhaps in Polanski's case she thinks he's served his time. I suppose that's possible. But Woody Allen is a different case entirely than that. Entirely. To even comment on his case shows a complete lack of awareness and nuance. Which is my long way of saying..............get the fnck out of here Natalie Portman. lol Natalie needs to sit her ass down especially with her baby daddy rumors.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 15, 2018 19:53:44 GMT
In all honesty, the people who signed the Polanski petition shouldn't start casting stones.
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Post by Mattsby on Jan 15, 2018 20:05:51 GMT
For those that don't know, Portman (and Michelle Williams) worked on a "commercial" directed by Polanski...
As for the WA stuff, it's unfortunate all these actors/actresses feel compelled to come down on either side (meaning one side) of a very tricky and grey situation. In a way they're shaming and creating a tone of guilt around WA meanwhile Moses' claims of Mia's abuse/coaching go unheard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:07:04 GMT
This is just too much.
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Post by Martin Stett on Jan 15, 2018 20:11:58 GMT
For those that don't know, Portman (and Michelle Williams) worked on a "commercial" directed by Polanski... As for the WA stuff, it's unfortunate all these actors/actresses feel compelled to come down on either side (meaning one side) of a very tricky and grey situation. In a way they're shaming and creating a tone of guilt around WA meanwhile Moses' claims of Mia's abuse/coaching go unheard. Sorry, I've never seen that before. That's one of the most WTF commercials I've ever seen. My favorite bit was Michelle Williams trying to take a swig of the hot lesbian arousal perfume. I'll step away now, I have nothing new to add to this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:14:10 GMT
quetee, you are the bone collector. Do tell. What has Monsieur Millepied been up to?
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 15, 2018 20:19:08 GMT
quetee , you are the bone collector. Do tell. What has Monsieur Millepied been up to? 1/he's a closeted homosexual 2/he left his ex-fiancee for Portman
that's what i've heard
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:25:28 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 15, 2018 20:27:36 GMT
@tylerferrerosorel Me too . I honestly couldn't possibly care less about those "rumors".
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Post by stephen on Jan 15, 2018 20:28:07 GMT
As for the WA stuff, it's unfortunate all these actors/actresses feel compelled to come down on either side (meaning one side) of a very tricky and grey situation. In a way they're shaming and creating a tone of guilt around WA meanwhile Moses' claims of Mia's abuse/coaching go unheard. The whole Allen controversy is perhaps the stickiest one of all, because Mia Farrow has a known vindictive streak and one of her own children has openly called her out for being abusive and coaching him. Also, people seem to overlook that Farrow has a brother who is a convicted child molester. I have immense sympathy for Dylan Farrow and I do believe her claims shouldn't be taken lightly nor should they be dismissed out of a desire for a favored filmmaker to be exonerated, but the whole case is one big gray quagmire, because while it is possible that Allen abused her, it is also plausible that Mia Farrow did indeed manipulate her daughter's young mind, and a cynical part of me wonders if John Farrow abused Dylan and somehow that abuse was pushed in Allen's direction. That's the really fucked-up thing about all of this. Either scenario is plausible because the sordid history of the Allen/Farrow relationship makes it so. This is not to say that Woody Allen should be let off the hook at all. The guy has gone about handling the controversy in a pretty bad, tone-deaf way, and there is a certain skeeviness to him. But Allen was criminally investigated in regards to the Farrow accusations, and nothing was ever found. If people wish to believe the accusations anyway and steer clear of working for him or watching his movies, that's perfectly fine and understandable. But to lambaste the likes of Greta Gerwig or Timothée Chalamet or Rebecca Hall for simply working for Allen is troubling. Many of the people catching flak aren't exactly as high-profile or in demand as the likes of Cate Blanchett or Kate Winslet; they're working actors who get parts in films that, historically, help them to advance their careers. They work to eat. If criticism must be thrown, toss it at the studios that allow Allen to get funding, or Allen himself if you believe the allegations. Nobody knows the ins and outs of the case and whether it is definitive that Allen did anything untoward to Dylan, but the last people who should be throwing stones are those who worked with Polanski or Salva.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 15, 2018 21:39:57 GMT
"I believe you, Dylan. I also believe in shooting Roman Polanski commercials. And what I don't believe in is due process which resulted in no charges ever even being brought against Allen"
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Post by sirjeremy on Jan 15, 2018 21:42:48 GMT
All these virtue-signalling bandwagon hoppers need to piss off.
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Post by countjohn on Jan 15, 2018 22:31:15 GMT
I don't understand why there's this big rush for everyone to condemn Allen, when with him it goes beyond a "he said she said" thing with there being serious issues with the allegations. Whereas Polanski was actually convicted in court of child molestation and I don't think even bothers to deny it, yet still no one talks about him for whatever reason.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 15, 2018 23:35:15 GMT
As for the WA stuff, it's unfortunate all these actors/actresses feel compelled to come down on either side (meaning one side) of a very tricky and grey situation. In a way they're shaming and creating a tone of guilt around WA meanwhile Moses' claims of Mia's abuse/coaching go unheard. The whole Allen controversy is perhaps the stickiest one of all, because Mia Farrow has a known vindictive streak and one of her own children has openly called her out for being abusive and coaching him. Also, people seem to overlook that Farrow has a brother who is a convicted child molester. I have immense sympathy for Dylan Farrow and I do believe her claims shouldn't be taken lightly nor should they be dismissed out of a desire for a favored filmmaker to be exonerated, but the whole case is one big gray quagmire, because while it is possible that Allen abused her, it is also plausible that Mia Farrow did indeed manipulate her daughter's young mind, and a cynical part of me wonders if John Farrow abused Dylan and somehow that abuse was pushed in Allen's direction. That's the really fucked-up thing about all of this. Either scenario is plausible because the sordid history of the Allen/Farrow relationship makes it so. This is not to say that Woody Allen should be let off the hook at all. The guy has gone about handling the controversy in a pretty bad, tone-deaf way, and there is a certain skeeviness to him. But Allen was criminally investigated in regards to the Farrow accusations, and nothing was ever found. If people wish to believe the accusations anyway and steer clear of working for him or watching his movies, that's perfectly fine and understandable. But to lambaste the likes of Greta Gerwig or Timothée Chalamet or Rebecca Hall for simply working for Allen is troubling. Many of the people catching flak aren't exactly as high-profile or in demand as the likes of Cate Blanchett or Kate Winslet; they're working actors who get parts in films that, historically, help them to advance their careers. They work to eat. If criticism must be thrown, toss it at the studios that allow Allen to get funding, or Allen himself if you believe the allegations. Nobody knows the ins and outs of the case and whether it is definitive that Allen did anything untoward to Dylan, but the last people who should be throwing stones are those who worked with Polanski or Salva. IMO there's just too much room for doubt in the whole Woody Allen scandal for me to make a definitive judgment either way. Even the nannies are split. All I can say about that is that it's clear to me that either way Dylan Farrow comes out the victim. I agree with your point about the actors who receive grief for working with these men. A lot of them are expressing regret now because it's a better look to do that. I'm much more bothered by people who signed the Polanski petition than the people who worked with him. The people who worked with him might have been following the separate the art from the artist's private life principle. But if you signed a petition to excuse guilty child-rapist Roman Polanski who was never sentenced because he fled, and then you want to join the Woody Allen bashfest because it's acceptable at the moment to do so, I'm side-eyeing you. Natalie Portman would have NEVER signed that petition today because she, like many Hollywood hypocrites, just goes where the wind blows at the moment.
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Post by quetee on Jan 15, 2018 23:39:40 GMT
quetee , you are the bone collector. Do tell. What has Monsieur Millepied been up to? 1/he's a closeted homosexual 2/he left his ex-fiancee for Portman
that's what i've heard not that baby daddy. Ha ha.
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Post by quetee on Jan 15, 2018 23:47:11 GMT
I'm not getting this double standard. I guess cause Dylan is speaking out and samantha is trying to stay out of it.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jan 15, 2018 23:55:07 GMT
I'm not getting this double standard. I guess cause Dylan is speaking out and samantha is trying to stay out of it. Because you're focusing on how the women are dealing with it today. This is about her attitude towards the men who have been accused of sexually assaulting children. She went to bat for someone who we know is guilty, but she's ready to malign a man whose guilt is uncertain because it's popular to do so at the moment. Do you think she would sign that Polanski petition today?
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Post by stephen on Jan 16, 2018 0:00:54 GMT
IMO there's just too much room for doubt in the whole Woody Allen scandal for me to make a definitive judgment either way. Even the nannies are split. All I can say about that is that it's clear to me that either way Dylan Farrow comes out the victim. I agree with your point about the actors who receive grief for working with these men. A lot of them are expressing regret now because it's a better look to do that. I'm much more bothered by people who signed the Polanski petition than the people who worked with him. The people who worked with him might have been following the separate the art from the artist's private life principle. But if you signed a petition to excuse guilty child-rapist Roman Polanski who was never sentenced because he fled, and then you want to join the Woody Allen bashfest because it's acceptable at the moment to do so, I'm side-eyeing you. Natalie Portman would have NEVER signed that petition today because she, like many Hollywood hypocrites, just goes where the wind blows at the moment. It's a clusterfuck of a situation, that's for sure, and I don't think there's any way to really separate fact from allegation. The same goes for the Kirk Douglas/Natalie Wood rumors; salacious as the gossip may be, how can it be proven if the accused victim has been dead for almost forty years? At this point it's hearsay, and waiting until Douglas dies to "expose" him is trying to get the last word in because he can no longer defend himself. If there is evidence, present it. Yeah, there is definitely hypocrisy when comparing the Allen reactions to the Polanski ones, and I do agree that it's unlikely many of those people who did sign that petition would do so today. There are a great deal of bandwagon-jumping opportunists in and out of Hollywood, who latch onto a cause or a target whenever it's in vogue. It's wonderful to be in support of the victims and to decry any sort of violence or harassment or gross misconduct, but show some goddamn consistency.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 16, 2018 0:07:10 GMT
1/he's a closeted homosexual 2/he left his ex-fiancee for Portman
that's what i've heard not that baby daddy. Ha ha. Oh you mean that rumor about Darren Aronofsky being the real father of her son ? Come on now !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 0:18:14 GMT
Right Natalie. Why don't you move back to France and become irrelevant again.
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Post by quetee on Jan 16, 2018 0:19:32 GMT
I'm not getting this double standard. I guess cause Dylan is speaking out and samantha is trying to stay out of it. Because you're focusing on how the women are dealing with it today. This is about her attitude towards the men who have been accused of sexually assaulting children. She went to bat for someone who we know is guilty, but she's ready to malign a man whose guilt is uncertain because it's popular to do so at the moment. Do you think she would sign that Polanski petition today? a week before #metoo, yes I believe she would have signed it.
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Post by quetee on Jan 16, 2018 0:20:51 GMT
Imho, Dylan is trying to please mia and will tell truth once she's passed.
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