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Post by HELENA MARIA on Jan 15, 2018 17:32:26 GMT
Remember when som people were saying that (or a "jinx" , a "box-office poison" ,etc.) ? Seriously though , that woman's career has been on fire lately. She's been chosing amazing projects. Could definitely see her winning a 2nd oscar very soon.
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Post by speeders on Jan 15, 2018 17:45:46 GMT
Boy Erased certainly looks very baity -- and if she's as good or better than in Lion, she'll likely be in the running again. If she keeps it up, she indeed could win a second likely (I'm more convinced it will be in the supporting category though). Destroyer sounds like it has the potential to be a powerful showcase too. If all her upcoming films will be a string flops (unlikely), she will be warmly embraced back on television where I think she could continue to do amazing work.
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Post by Kirk-Picard on Jan 15, 2018 17:46:18 GMT
Remember when som people were saying that (or a "jinx" , a "box-office poison" ,etc.) ? Seriously though , that woman's career has been on fire lately. She's been chosing amazing projects. Could definitely see her winning a 2nd oscar very soon. It's been ages since a project led by her set the cash registers running
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Post by bob-coppola on Jan 16, 2018 18:08:35 GMT
When you're working since the 90s, eventually you'll have a string of flops. Always thought people were overreacting calling her box-office poison, especially when she's just not the movie-star kind of actress.
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Post by MsMovieStar on Apr 16, 2018 23:19:51 GMT
Oh honey, I had to post this picture... it is just so bad!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2018 23:39:21 GMT
Oh honey, why must you be so mean to her? She's a beautiful, kind, talented woman!
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Apr 17, 2018 7:43:16 GMT
Oh honey , this kind of crap belongs to the OT section !
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Post by ibbi on Apr 17, 2018 11:28:52 GMT
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Post by Sharbs on Apr 17, 2018 13:03:52 GMT
KU's chest is about ten shades darker than his hand. Something doesn't add up
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Post by bob-coppola on Apr 19, 2018 0:38:43 GMT
Greatest actress in the world can't look flawless all the time.
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Post by stabcaesar on Jul 15, 2019 19:29:49 GMT
Yeah Kidman fans are pretty ridiculous.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 15, 2019 19:47:13 GMT
Yeah Kidman fans are pretty ridiculous. The Telegraph isn't a "Kidman fan", and they said what they said. Don't shoot the messenger. That type of ink towards the final episodes is how Kidman completely swept the first season. Ignore it at your peril. Dern has to worry about fending off Streep in supporting. Kidman is out in front by herself in lead. It's pointless first world problems anyway. Which really acclaimed actress who already has an Emmy (Streep, Kidman and Dern all do) has the best probability of winning another. Oh, the suffering
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 10:45:31 GMT
Yeah Kidman fans are pretty ridiculous. I haven't been watching BLL yet but I'm sure I'll eventually get to it, I mildly liked the first season. The problem with Nicole Kidman is unlike virtually any other film star today - she is subjected to an insane amount of softball PR and press coverage for the most silly and trivial things - her PR team is ludicrous in how far they push it, and there's no one quite like it in celebrity today. Kidman can veer wildly in talent - she can be tremendous - To Die For and Birth - and other times not only iffy but wildly overpraised by some things (like Destroyer). Normally for any actress that would be par for the course but Kidman has such a PR machine - EVERY night covered on the worst kind of pop culture magazine trash shows like "Extra" and "Access Hollywood" whether she has a project out or not - you get the feeling that everything she does is engineered and fed to you. That's not fair of course and she may be great here too BLL season 2 - but in this way Kidman is the Liz Taylor of our time - she's a big star, who is known to people who have never once seen a film of hers too...........who is married to that big other star.........who was once married that other big star...............who advertises cosmetics who is always on Extra! and gets puff pieces daily, non-stop like "Nicole Kidman got a puppy!" (Google it, Access Hollywood covered it for TWO days - TWO - she gets that sh it all the time). Her fans are ridiculous ..........and not...................... and she's ridiculous herself ...............and not. But people who hate her don't just hate her arbitrarily either, Team Kidman somewhat encourages it too - it's the Taylor Swift Syndrome for movie stars.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 11:10:38 GMT
^^^^
It's cute how hard you are trying to get me to notice you after our little bust up. Posting this tedious screed (meant for me obviously) on a thread I'm posting in about an actress I particularly rate as one of the greatest on a show you don't even watch. Stalky-stalky! Have I got a new Good God? Lol! Trying too hard though. Maybe write a nice long piece on Denzel being super overrated and not a GOAT contender. You pulled that nonsense for years and it didnt quite stick. Might as well make Kidman the new target. That might do the trick. But this is just....embarrassing.
Problem is, you are almost always wrong about these things. Your knowledge of acting is purely textbook and academic and it really shows.
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Post by demille on Jul 16, 2019 11:25:18 GMT
Yeah Kidman fans are pretty ridiculous. I haven't been watching BLL yet but I'm sure I'll eventually get to it, I mildly liked the first season. The problem with Nicole Kidman is unlike virtually any other film star today - she is subjected to an insane amount of softball PR and press coverage for the most silly and trivial things - her PR team is ludicrous in how far they push it, and there's no one quite like it in celebrity today. Kidman can veer wildly in talent - she can be tremendous - To Die For and Birth - and other times do not only iffy but wildly overpraised by some things (like Destroyer). Normally for any actress that would be par for the course but Kidman has such a PR machine - EVERY night covered on the worst kind of pop culture magazine trash shows like "Extra" and "Access Hollywood" whether she has a project out or not - you get the feeling that everything she does is engineered and fed to you. That's not fair of course and she may be great here too BLL season 2 - but in this way Kidman is the Liz Taylor of our time - she's a big star, who is known to people who have never once seen a film of hers too...........who is married to that big other star.........who was once married that other big star...............who advertises cosmetics who is always on Extra! and gets puff pieces daily, non-stop like "Nicole Kidman got a puppy!" (Google it, Access Hollywood covered it for TWO days - TWO - she gets that sh it all the time). Her fans are ridiculous ..........and not...................... and she's ridiculous herself ...............and not. But people who hate her don't just hate her arbitrarily either, Team Kidman somewhat encourages it too - it's the Taylor Swift Syndrome for movie stars. What do you mean by "the problem" with Nicole Kidman is that she is a such a big star, the like of which don't exist anymore. She's clearly interested in establishing herself as a big Hollywood star, but I don't see why that is a problem. You dont have to watch Hollywood Extra if you are not interested in celebrity news and tabloid stardom. I don't watch it and I dont care if she has a dog, but I still enjoy watching her performances. And I am not following how this "problem" makes her fans ridiculous for something like praising her performance in BLL S2; or how it makes the critical praise that she received for Destroyer ridiculous? It's not like she hasn't received negative reviews for her films and performances in the past.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 11:29:52 GMT
You're rather my Good God, you follow me everywhere, I just post in lots of threads regardless of where you are. You're merely the sh it that's attached itself on my shoe if you will. Never said Denzel was super overrated - ever, he's just that he's not the best actor living, dead whatever. Nicole isn't a "target" either - I like her too........and she's not the "best" either. Neither of which was my point, so I'll draw you a picture instead:
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 11:31:45 GMT
I haven't been watching BLL yet but I'm sure I'll eventually get to it, I mildly liked the first season. The problem with Nicole Kidman is unlike virtually any other film star today - she is subjected to an insane amount of softball PR and press coverage for the most silly and trivial things - her PR team is ludicrous in how far they push it, and there's no one quite like it in celebrity today. Kidman can veer wildly in talent - she can be tremendous - To Die For and Birth - and other times do not only iffy but wildly overpraised by some things (like Destroyer). Normally for any actress that would be par for the course but Kidman has such a PR machine - EVERY night covered on the worst kind of pop culture magazine trash shows like "Extra" and "Access Hollywood" whether she has a project out or not - you get the feeling that everything she does is engineered and fed to you. That's not fair of course and she may be great here too BLL season 2 - but in this way Kidman is the Liz Taylor of our time - she's a big star, who is known to people who have never once seen a film of hers too...........who is married to that big other star.........who was once married that other big star...............who advertises cosmetics who is always on Extra! and gets puff pieces daily, non-stop like "Nicole Kidman got a puppy!" (Google it, Access Hollywood covered it for TWO days - TWO - she gets that sh it all the time). Her fans are ridiculous ..........and not...................... and she's ridiculous herself ...............and not. But people who hate her don't just hate her arbitrarily either, Team Kidman somewhat encourages it too - it's the Taylor Swift Syndrome for movie stars. What do you mean by "the problem" with Nicole Kidman is that she is a such a big star, the like of which don't exist anymore. She's clearly interested in establishing herself as a big Hollywood star, but I don't see why that is a problem. You dont have to watch Hollywood Extra if you are not interwsted in celebrity news. And I am not following how that makes her fans ridiculous for praising her performance in BLL, or how it makes the critical praise that she received for Destroyer ridiculous? He's mainly indifferent to Kidman...but has had a huge issue with her since I started saying she was the best of her generation, a GOAT contender ecr. Because I was the one championing her. We've just had this weird (usually harmless) rivalry for years that leads him to act like this. If I hyped up Julianne Moore or some other great actress the same way, he'd go in like that as well. He's basically talking shit about Kidman because he knows I'm a big supporter. Only reason he's on this thread, as he doesn't even watch the show. Strange guy.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 11:32:41 GMT
Such an attention whore You used to have my respect, but this is getting sadder to watch every day
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 11:49:53 GMT
What do you mean by "the problem" with Nicole Kidman is that she is a such a big star, the like of which don't exist anymore. She's clearly interested in establishing herself as a big Hollywood star, but I don't see why that is a problem. You dont have to watch Hollywood Extra if you are not interested in celebrity news and tabloid stardom. I don't watch it and I dont care if she has a dog, but I still enjoy watching her performances. And I am not following how this "problem" makes her fans ridiculous for something like praising her performance in BLL S2; or how it makes the critical praise that she received for Destroyer ridiculous? Its not like she hasnt received negative reviews for her films and performances in the past. I don't actually understand what you find so hard to get here to be honest. Are you familiar with Taylor Swift? Are you familiar that many people dislike her because they feel she's forced on them? If you are, how can you not understand what was said about Kidman then? I haven't seen her performance in BLL2 but in the case of Destroyer and some other work it makes people doubt what is being said because SO MUCH is being said about her all the time. That's all. If you want my opinion on that performance you can use the Search function here as I've commented a lot on it. You're right that I don't have to watch those shows but I'm still aware of those shows existing and so are you and everyone else I imagine - I'm aware of all the magazine covers her PR team gets her on too and yes she might have negative reviews in the past but that is not so much the case now and how she's presented and sculpted and how people see her. I didn't say what YOU said at all actually - "such a big star, the like of which don't exist anymore" No, I don't believe that and I said she's a merely a unique type of star - and that type of star she is creates a backlash against her. It is not a pacinoyes backlash against her - if you are a fan of hers you must know that she's hated a lot in addition to be loved a lot. Right? I gave my reasons why that is, that's all and actually they are pretty good reasons worth thinking about too - you can still be a fan and think her PR team is ridiculous.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 11:55:11 GMT
He's mainly indifferent to Kidman... He's basically talking shit about Kidman because he knows I'm a big supporter. Only reason he's on this thread, as he doesn't even watch the show. Strange guy. I am not indifferent to Kidman - I merely do not think she's the best, that's not the same thing. I replied because I had something to say - something that's pretty profound on her celebrity and its manipulation in some ways. You haven't bothered to give it enough thought because you think it's all about you. I assure you, it is not.
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Post by demille on Jul 16, 2019 12:26:31 GMT
What do you mean by "the problem" with Nicole Kidman is that she is a such a big star, the like of which don't exist anymore. She's clearly interested in establishing herself as a big Hollywood star, but I don't see why that is a problem. You dont have to watch Hollywood Extra if you are not interested in celebrity news and tabloid stardom. I don't watch it and I dont care if she has a dog, but I still enjoy watching her performances. And I am not following how this "problem" makes her fans ridiculous for something like praising her performance in BLL S2; or how it makes the critical praise that she received for Destroyer ridiculous? Its not like she hasnt received negative reviews for her films and performances in the past. I don't actually understand what you find so hard to get here to be honest. Are you familiar with Taylor Swift? Are you familiar that many people dislike her because they feel she's forced on them? If you are, how can you not understand what was said about Kidman then? I haven't seen her performance in BLL2 but in the case of Destroyer and some other work it makes people doubt what is being said because SO MUCH is being said about her all the time. That's all. If you want my opinion on that performance you can use the Search function here as I've commented a lot on it. You're right that I don't have to watch those shows but I'm still aware of those shows existing and so are you and everyone else I imagine - I'm aware of all the magazine covers her PR team gets her on too and yes she might have negative reviews in the past but that is not so much the case now and how she's presented and sculpted and how people see her. I didn't not say what YOU said at all actually - "such a big star, the like of which don't exist anymore" No, I don't believe that actually and I said she's a merely a unique type of star - and that type of star creates a backlash against her. It is not a pacinoyes backlash against her - if you are a fan of hers you must know that she's hated a lot in addition to be loved a lot. Right? I gave my reasons why that is, that's all and actually they are pretty good reasons worth thinking about too - you can still be a fan and think her PR team is ridiculous. Your argument is very general and a superficial assessment of Kidman. The comparison to Taylor Swift is not particularly insightful into Kidman's complex career. But you obviously disagree as you just called it "profound" in a response to the other user. I may have made a statement that you didn't mean, but that was because I was trying to connect the dots of your points which are a bit random, and you comparison to Liz Taylor encouraged this line of thought. I personally have issues with many of Kidman's choices, and mainly for the reasons that you mentioned, but I differentiate the actress from commercial marketing machine that is part of her product. This is because I find that she has produced a lot of interesting and profound work. Having said that I am critical of many of her choices; I don't think I have the respect for her that I would if she resisted the commercialisation of her image and focused more on her acting projects.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 16, 2019 12:40:07 GMT
Your argument is very general and a superficial assessment of Kidman. The comparison to Taylor Swift is not particularly insightful into Kidman's complex career. But you obviously disagree as you just called it "profound" in a response to the other user. I personally have issues with many of Kidman's choices, and mainly for the reasons that you mentioned, but I differenciate the actress from commercial marketing machine that is part of her product. This is because I find that she has delivered a lot of interesting and profound work. Having said that, I don't think I have the respect for her that I would if she resisted this commercialisation more and focused more on her acting projects. Well - it's not a direct comparison because no two people are alike exactly but Taylor Swift has had a complex career too - we just don't make those connections because we find pop music disposable and don't think of PR - but 7 albums into a career is a lot nowadays and she's done it with much the same PR machinery components as Kidman - in fact, even LESS than Kidman. Now having said that, I don't think this lasts forever or defines her forever and like I said she's capable of great great work - To Die For and Birth and some others - I am not indifferent to her work at all. This is just an odd spike in her overall career management however - she's over 50 now and she's a wife and mother - at some point her focus will change and at some point her PR will change too ..........I do agree that some of this is just a bit of healthy/misguided ambition where she just wants a 2nd Oscar or Emmy ........which of course is a good thing ................actors should have ambition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 13:02:52 GMT
pacinoyes - I don't disagree with a lot of what you say about Kidman (and Swift...), and I would suggest the following actors have similar PR machines: Streep, Pitt, DiCaprio, etc. (i.e. there is never a negative word spoken about any of them in mainstream media).
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Post by demille on Jul 16, 2019 13:06:59 GMT
Pacinoyes, In terms of marketing I see your point, and I am sure she has many fans simply as a result of the way she is marketed, but this does not take into consideration what other fans admire or are interested in with regards to her. As an actress, imo, she has an ability to portray a complexity of emotions that reveals the being of the characters she represents, and that this displays an insight into the human condition.
Whilst it is true that it may be difficult to tell if critics or fans are being honest in there assessment of her work due to her marketing machine, it can also be argued that her fame and celebrity has, over the course of her career, prevented her work from being acknowledged and from her being taken more seriously as an actress.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 16, 2019 13:25:02 GMT
Pacinoyes, In terms of marketing I see your point, and I am sure she has many fans simply as a result of the way she is marketed, but this does not take into consideration what other fans admire or are interested in with regards to her. As an actress, imo, she has an ability to portray a complexity of emotions that reveals the being of the characters she portrays and that displays an insight into the human condition. Whilst it is true that it may be difficult to tell if critics or fans are being honest in there assessment of her work due to her marketing machine, it can also be argued that her fame and celebrity has, over the course of her career, prevented her work from being acknowledged and from her being taken more seriously as an actress. It's all superficial fluff. All stars have marketing machines. Kidman is a 10 time SAG nominee, the majority of them individual nods. Take away all the glitter and gold and celebrity, and to her peers, she's an Actor's Actor. They adore her and have kept her career afloat when their was backlash from fans or critics (who can forget SAG nods for The Paperboy and Grace Of Monaco, projects critics despised, that no fans gave a damn about. But Actors took note). Kidman has in reality been sustained in tough times by the belief of her peers in her as a generational talent. There have been a great many stars who have had equal beauty and celebrity, who are not worshipperd by their peers on a talent level like Kidman. They do mostly know the difference. We wouldn't even be talking about Kidman today if her fellow actors didn't rate her so highly, and sustain her in good times and bad.
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