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Post by jakesully on Nov 28, 2017 1:59:57 GMT
Just finished binge watching this and I can honestly say that I am baffled at all the negative reviews it got. This was fucking BADASS! Jon Bernthal can literally do no wrong in my book . He was a stone cold badass motherfucker in this show and I dug how they humanized him in this. (Felt he was portrayed a bit too crazy in the Daredevil series) .
Anyways, I highly recommend watching this if you have Netflix .
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 4, 2017 20:11:23 GMT
I watched it. Then I watched all his scenes in DD2. Then I started watching The Punisher again. 1. I can only think of one reason this didn't get glowing reviews - critics being afraid to praise the show this violent 2. if this doesn't get season 2 I will tear Netflix headquarters down
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Post by therealcomicman117 on Dec 8, 2017 1:08:29 GMT
Saw the whole series, my thoughts are that it's probably the best of the Marvel TV shows to date. It's violent, but violence serves the plot. I also like its portrayal of Frank Castle, it's the closest to the comics I've seen yet (Jon Bernthal is awesome), a war vet disillusioned gone wrong. Can't wait for season two, whenever that gets made.
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 8, 2017 16:42:49 GMT
Also the music and the song choices in this show are terrific. Tom Waits!
And I have no idea why there were so many complaints in reviews that the show isn't funny or doesn't have jokes. What the hell? It's not supposed to. Also it does have so many funny bits mainly with Frank/Micro relationship
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Post by idioticbunny on Dec 8, 2017 18:14:07 GMT
I'm about five episodes in and I actually strongly dislike it. It's not bad, per se, but there is literally no reason for what's already happened thus far to have taken five episodes to do. It drags on far too long, and my issue would be that there's actually not *enough* action for it being - you know - The Mother-Fucking Punisher. I'm sure more action is to come in the latter half of the season, but still - that's not my main issue. There's no clear goal the show is trying to reach. It took three full episodes before we got a sense of where the plot was going ( take down the bad, evil government guys starting with Agent Orange, okay ), but even these past two episodes have been dilly-dallying trying to get there. Literally a full episode was devoted to just hijacking some guns - which The Punisher could probably do in his sleep. And we keep following all these subplots of characters with literally no personality that I don't care about. And the worst part of it all is that typically the other Marvel shows have a clear idea of who the main antagonist will be. But this show has no idea who it wants it to be. My guess would be the obvious of Agent Orange, but what about psycho PTSD dude? Or Ben Barnes? Hell, it could even be the FBI girl in a way? And also throwing in Karen Paige as this potential romantic interest is so dumb. As much as I love her performance(s) and her character, she doesn't belong in this show. If you want to throw the inevitable Agent Colson-type Rosario Dawson character into the mix, that's fine as that seems to have been established. But throwing her in just doesn't gel with the rest of it and feels like two different shows when she's around. All in all - really not liking this. But it could also probably be that I hate Jon Bernthal's schtick as an actor, too, and have only ever really liked him in the fourth episode of Daredevil with his monologue in the cemetery and Wolf of Wall Street. Of course, I have a whole half season to go and anything can change. So I will be sure to post my complete thoughts by the end. EDIT: I forgot to mention, the one thing I do like though is Frank Castle's buddy who runs the therapy group. Probably the best performance of the show so far and the best character this MCU TV universe has added since Karen Paige in the first season of Daredevil. Anytime he's around, I'm drawn to the screen. This is the type of writing/acting their TV universe needs more of. Not all this snooze-worthy FBI subplot stuff (I had the same problem with Luke Cage where I cared more about his barber buddy in the first two episodes than the whole of anyone else).
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Post by idioticbunny on Dec 8, 2017 18:24:00 GMT
I will say one thing though: It's nice not to hear any nonsense about "The Hand" in this show. At least... I hope there won't be. Because The Hand has to be the most boring "villain"/organization out of all of Marvel's stuff - and that's including EVERY MCU villain.
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Post by ibbi on Dec 8, 2017 23:50:09 GMT
Finished it yesterday. Really loved it. Certainly started a little slow, and thinking back to those early episodes on the construction site and whatnot it seems like an aaaaaaaaaaaage ago, but I thought this was generally paced really well, and didn't suffer the massive third quarter lag these seasons often can. I'd have it with Daredevil 1 and Jessica Jones as the three truly great Marvel seasons so far. That penultimate episode was so intense it gave me a toothache.
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 9, 2017 14:17:17 GMT
And also throwing in Karen Paige as this potential romantic interest is so dumb. As much as I love her performance(s) and her character, she doesn't belong in this show. If you want to throw the inevitable Agent Colson-type Rosario Dawson character into the mix, that's fine as that seems to have been established. But throwing her in just doesn't gel with the rest of it and feels like two different shows when she's around. I don't understand that opinion at all.
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Post by idioticbunny on Dec 9, 2017 17:35:56 GMT
And also throwing in Karen Paige as this potential romantic interest is so dumb. As much as I love her performance(s) and her character, she doesn't belong in this show. If you want to throw the inevitable Agent Colson-type Rosario Dawson character into the mix, that's fine as that seems to have been established. But throwing her in just doesn't gel with the rest of it and feels like two different shows when she's around. I don't understand that opinion a Again, this is just my opinion mid-season. For all I know, I've stopped at the exact episode where things get really good. So I'll come back when I'm finished and discuss it more in depth. But for now, I just mean it seems like they threw her in only for a familiar face and to make it a "cinematic universe" for their television show. Which has always been the main issue with all MCU films and shows. And at least, from what I gathered, that was why Rosario Dawson was in every single season of Marvel's stuff so far - to serve as that Agent Colson character. But I guess they decided to throw Karen Paige in instead. I already thought it was weird how close she got to Castle in season two of Daredevil, but at least then it made some sort of sense in the context of her relationship with Matt Murdock as well as her place in the firm, and helping in destabilizing the friendship between he and Foggy (even if everything involving The Hand in that season totally ruined any impact it all would have had on the show). But that was where it should have ended. I see no reason why Frank Castle would risk blowing his cover to her of all people. If they wanted to put her in the show for the trustworthy "media angle" of his plan in case all else fails, he could've just leaked her information without having to blow his cover. Feels like a betrayal of his character in that aspect. Instead, every time they meet, it seems like they're falling in love for no good reason other than the writers felt they should (if anything, they should weigh more heavily on the romantic angle with Micro's wife instead which seems far more interesting and natural), and he's suddenly divulging his heart and soul which goes against everything they established of his character beforehand. I guess what it all comes down to is: Why is he willing to just let go and tell all his intimate feelings and secrets to Karen Paige who he barely even knew in season two of Daredevil when he has this well-maintained and long-standing relationship with his therapy group buddy who has been trying to get him to open up? It would have a much greater impact if he was opening up to him instead, but the show decided it needed that familiar face and so it all feels so unnatural and against his character. Even his big moment opening up to Daredevil in that cemetery scene was more deserved because he felt he finally served justice and was about to go to jail for life - like a cathartic moment. This one, on the other hand, just feels forced and false. There's literally zero spark of chemistry between the characters, too, so that already doesn't help. But hey, I'd love to be proven wrong over the next seven episodes or so - so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I also apologize for the lengthy comments. I meant to keep it short, but I just wanted to try and explain my feelings on it the best I could lol.
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 10, 2017 12:39:57 GMT
Well for me there is plenty of spark and chemistry between the characters....just wait for episode 10.
I think Frank saw that Karen was a kind, good person in DD2. He appreciated she wanted to help him and he trusted her. And he wants to protect her. She is probably the person that is the closest to him now.
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 12, 2017 21:12:21 GMT
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Dec 17, 2017 20:07:01 GMT
Absolutely loved the season. Had no idea it received negative reviews, pretty suprised to hear that. Can't wait for season two.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 22, 2017 3:17:21 GMT
Just finished episode 7 and I'm loving it so far. It's just really entertaining television. I particularly like the quieter moments when they're doing some crafty spy shit.
My one big pock mark is Sam (Dinah's partner). Ugh, just a whole bunch of tv tropes rolled into one character...
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Dec 25, 2017 15:47:58 GMT
Can we all agree how (finale spoiler) supremely satisfying it was that Frank fucked up Billy's face? Not gonna lie the entire time I was going, "no, fuck up his face first! YEAH! COT OFF HIS FUCKING NOSE! DO IT! FRANK! God damnit! YEAH! PUT IT IN THE GLASS AGAIN! WOO!
...NOW CUT OFF HIS NOSE! TO THE PAIN!"
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Post by harlequinade on Dec 25, 2017 18:58:29 GMT
Can we all agree how (finale spoiler) supremely satisfying it was that Frank fucked up Billy's face? Not gonna lie the entire time I was going, "no, fuck up his face first! YEAH! COT OFF HIS FUCKING NOSE! DO IT! FRANK! God damnit! YEAH! PUT IT IN THE GLASS AGAIN! WOO!
...NOW CUT OFF HIS NOSE! TO THE PAIN!" It was but Barnes's agonizing screams really made me wince so bad
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Post by Pavan on Dec 13, 2018 17:26:50 GMT
Only to be cancelled after a month
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Post by Pavan on Jan 30, 2019 20:26:43 GMT
Just finished season 2. Started on an excellent note in the countryside which i wished was longer but it gets to the current proceedings quickly and it's a 'rough road'. Messy but i liked it. Not at as good as first season but very much enjoyable.
I didn't like Madani this time. But the new girl, the cute and annoying Amy was an added bonus. Very likeable and I think I got a crush on Giorgia Whigam.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Jan 31, 2019 20:26:53 GMT
To be honest, I'm not bothering with S2. Middling reviews and it just ended up getting axed anyhow.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 1, 2019 2:12:58 GMT
To be honest, I'm not bothering with S2. Middling reviews and it just ended up getting axed anyhow. I’d say it’s still worth watching.
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Post by theycallmemrfish on Feb 1, 2019 2:16:28 GMT
To be honest, I'm not bothering with S2. Middling reviews and it just ended up getting axed anyhow. I’d say it’s still worth watching. Yeah, I definitely misspoke, I meant more or less "I'm not rushing into it". It's a damn shame too because S1 was just a really fun, entertaining Marvel show with a helluva lead at its center.
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Post by jakesully on Feb 2, 2019 4:01:23 GMT
1st episode of season 2 was dope as hell but now I'm on episode 9 of Season 2 and it pains me to say this but this season sucks so hard. . Don't get me wrong, Jon Bernthal continues to impress me as an actor (esp as Frank Castle/ Punisher) but the show runner doesn't focus enough on him. Too many side plots in this season (the "mysterious " college girl sub plot, Madani seeking revenger sub plot, the ridiculously laughable ultra religious bad guy sub plot and then there is Billy Russo's annoying sub plot etc etc). This just isn't really good imo .
Main takeaway from it is the creator of the Punisher tried to stuff waaaay too much shit in this season when he should have focused primarily more on Frank. oh well I'll still try and finish it up but just not impressed with what I've seen thus far.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Feb 2, 2019 14:56:44 GMT
1st episode of season 2 was dope as hell but now I'm on episode 9 of Season 2 and it pains me to say this but this season sucks so hard. . Don't get me wrong, Jon Bernthal continues to impress me as an actor (esp as Frank Castle/ Punisher) but the show runner doesn't focus enough on him. Too many side plots in this season (the "mysterious " college girl sub plot, Madani seeking revenger sub plot, the ridiculously laughable ultra religious bad guy sub plot and then there is Billy Russo's annoying sub plot etc etc). This just isn't really good imo . Main takeaway from it is the creator of the Punisher tried to stuff waaaay too much shit in this season when he should have focused primarily more on Frank. oh well I'll still try and finish it up but just not impressed with what I've seen thus far. There was really only two plot threads in the season so I didn’t think it was overstuffed at all. That being said, I didn’t care for any of the Madani or Russo’s shrink stuff.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Feb 9, 2019 19:17:36 GMT
I wish the John Pilgrim sub-plot were better integrated into the main story, and the stuff with Russo and his therapist was kind of silly, but overall this season was pretty solid. I know some people didn't care for the addition of the Amy character, but I liked how Frank was sort of thrown into this parental role, and their final scene together is rather poignant. I also liked how this season handled Madani and Curtis's characters by continuing to challenge their moral codes as they got pulled further into Frank's world. While the first season is probably better on the whole with tighter writing, I think I actually might have enjoyed watching this season a bit more because it felt pulpier and more like a standalone Punisher story that wasn't entirely focused on Frank's backstory and the repercussions of that. The penultimate episode, however, has a truly awful scene the catfight between Madani and the therapist and it resolves itself in a way that is so on-the-nose that I don't know how it got past the writers' room.
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