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Post by cornnetto on Feb 8, 2017 17:04:40 GMT
That is a good explanation of what Trump is doing:
CNN contributor Rick Santorum excused President Donald Trump for lying about the U.S. murder rate by arguing that the president’s false statements come from “emotion” instead of being “bound by all the facts.”
During a meeting with sheriffs on Tuesday, Trump falsely claimed that “the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years.” On Wednesday, Santorum admitted that the murder rate had actually fallen over that period.
“But you can’t ignore the horrible violence we’re seeing in our major cities,” he insisted.
CNN host Poppy Harlow wondered if Trump was doing “a disservice to the American people” by saying “something that is just absolutely not true.”
“I’m not going to defend Donald Trump’s recitation of the facts,” Santorum replied. “I think Trump speaks more from emotional and how he’s feeling than he does necessarily being bound by all the facts.”
“That’s one of his characteristics,” the former GOP presidential candidate added. “It’s not a strong one, it’s not one that helps him in the debate. But I think his point [is] that we’re seeing a lot of violence and we’re seeing cities out of control.”
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 8, 2017 23:22:14 GMT
No, but he tried to debunk some of the 'myths' which is then when he got his ass dragged by potholer. He uses his volume and constant interruptions during debates which is just annoying and obnoxious. He played victim after that union worker punched him (after Crowder pushed him first, which Crowder denied and edited his videos to make himself look like the victim). Potholer agreed with some of his points and no didn't embarrass him. Crowder even asked him for a debate and he didn't. As for the union worker, the video showed no evidence of Crowder pushing him at all. In fact his reaction when he got pushed shows no indication at all like he wanted a fight so then why would he push him?
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Post by dazed on Feb 8, 2017 23:36:11 GMT
No, but he tried to debunk some of the 'myths' which is then when he got his ass dragged by potholer. He uses his volume and constant interruptions during debates which is just annoying and obnoxious. He played victim after that union worker punched him (after Crowder pushed him first, which Crowder denied and edited his videos to make himself look like the victim). Potholer agreed with some of his points and no didn't embarrass him. Crowder even asked him for a debate and he didn't. As for the union worker, the video showed no evidence of Crowder pushing him at all. In fact his reaction when he got pushed shows no indication at all like he wanted a fight so then why would he push him? There's a reason why a lot of the Liberal channels won't debate Crowder. Debates with him get no where and he'll use alternative facts, lies, and his voice to persuade the viewers (apparently like Cruz did last night). It's not worth their time. Also, the video was edited to show Crowder as the victim. Hence why after the court viewed the unedited version, they said that the guy who punched Crowder was acting in self defense.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2017 14:00:44 GMT
There's a reason why a lot of the Liberal channels won't debate Crowder. Debates with him get no where and he'll use alternative facts, lies, and his voice to persuade the viewers (apparently like Cruz did last night). It's not worth their time. Also, the video was edited to show Crowder as the victim. Hence why after the court viewed the unedited version, they said that the guy who punched Crowder was acting in self defense. You still haven't shown me any lies or alternative facts and he has had liberals on to debate. As for the tape you can clearly see in the unedited version that Crowder doesn't push and you didn't even try to address my point on it. Maybe you're the one lying and using alternative facts. Oh and Cruz battered him in the debate with Sanders because he was completely prepared. Sanders couldn't come prepared because all he can do is try to use emotion.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2017 14:02:07 GMT
dazed IceTruckDexter Chowder is a pretty brash guy and he's only really entertaining in a confirmation bias type of way. He's nowhere near the level of say Shapiro or his ilk who can at least make a reasonably coherent and intellectual argument for conservatism, agree or disagree with the conclusions. They make the same arguments. It's just Crowder is a comedian and is going to be more brash.
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Post by dazed on Feb 9, 2017 14:19:08 GMT
There's a reason why a lot of the Liberal channels won't debate Crowder. Debates with him get no where and he'll use alternative facts, lies, and his voice to persuade the viewers (apparently like Cruz did last night). It's not worth their time. Also, the video was edited to show Crowder as the victim. Hence why after the court viewed the unedited version, they said that the guy who punched Crowder was acting in self defense. You still haven't shown me any lies or alternative facts and he has had liberals on to debate. As for the tape you can clearly see in the unedited version that Crowder doesn't push and you didn't even try to address my point on it. Maybe you're the one lying and using alternative facts. Oh and Cruz battered him in the debate with Sanders because he was completely prepared. Sanders couldn't come prepared because all he can do is try to use emotion. I just gave you an example of him lying? If he didn't push him, then why did the court not pursue the case? It's beause they said that the footage Crowder gave them showed that the union worker acted in self defense (they were sent the edited version first). Your boy Crowder acted like a victim for publicity, just admit it. I've been reading otherwise actually. I'm going to assume you were watching that Crowder life stream during the debate (the guy that makes titles like SANDERS IS A PILE OF SHIT), which makes your opinion heavily biased towards the outcome of the debate. It's been showing that Cruz used a bunch of lies and alt-facts during the debate which obviously pursued people like you.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2017 14:25:38 GMT
I just gave you an example of him lying? If he didn't push him, then why did the court not pursue the case? It's beause they said that the footage Crowder gave them showed that the union worker acted in self defense (they were sent the edited version first). Your boy Crowder acted like a victim for publicity, just admit it. I've been reading otherwise actually. I'm going to assume you were watching that Crowder live stream during the debate (the guy that makes titles like SANDERS IS A PILE OF SHIT), which makes your opinion heavily biased towards the outcome of the debate. It's been showing that Cruz used a bunch of lies and alt-facts during the debate which obviously pursued people like you. Yes and in the unedited version it doesn't show Crowder doing anything to him. You didn't address my point that in no point in the video was Crowder confrontational or aggressive. Crowder's also a much bigger guy. Why would he push him? No I watch the debate on a different livestream but I did see some of his legitimate reactions like looking at who won objectively. Funny how you don't seem to be pointing out Sanders lies in the debate.
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Post by dazed on Feb 9, 2017 14:39:41 GMT
Yes and in the unedited version it doesn't show Crowder doing anything to him. You didn't address my point that in no point in the video was Crowder confrontational or aggressive. Crowder's also a much bigger guy. Why would he push him? No I watch the debate on a different livestream but I did see some of his legitimate reactions like looking at who won objectively. Funny how you don't seem to be pointing out Sanders lies in the debate. Then why did the court say the union worker acted in self defense with the version Crowder sent them (after they were going to pursue the case with the edited version that Crowder gave them). They just didn't pull that decision out of their ass. I don't get the argument that he's a bigger guy so he wouldn't push him. There's plenty of situations where the bigger guy will be the instigator first. Hell, it's probably more often that they are the ones whom insitigate rather than are the victim. I'm not saying Bernie didn't lie. Every politician has some lies during debates. There's apparently quite a huge difference between how much Bernie lied and how much Cruz lied though.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2017 14:54:05 GMT
Yes and in the unedited version it doesn't show Crowder doing anything to him. You didn't address my point that in no point in the video was Crowder confrontational or aggressive. Crowder's also a much bigger guy. Why would he push him? No I watch the debate on a different livestream but I did see some of his legitimate reactions like looking at who won objectively. Funny how you don't seem to be pointing out Sanders lies in the debate. Then why did the court say the union worker acted in self defense with the version Crowder sent them (after they were going to pursue the case with the edited version that Crowder gave them). They just didn't pull that decision out of their ass. I don't get the argument that he's a bigger guy so he wouldn't push him. There's plenty of situations where the bigger guy will be the instigator first. Hell, it's probably more often that they are the ones whom insitigate rather than are the victim. I'm not saying Bernie didn't lie. Every politician has some lies during debates. There's apparently quite a huge difference between how much Bernie lied and how much Cruz lied though. Look at the unedited video. It doesn't show Crowder pushing him and my point was that Crowder's body language didn't show any malice or aggression. There were a few things I noticed in the debate that he lied about that didn't get reported but alright they're politicians. They're gonna lie. As for Crowder's take on Sanders. Yes he's a piece of shit.
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Post by dazed on Feb 9, 2017 16:44:42 GMT
Then why did the court say the union worker acted in self defense with the version Crowder sent them (after they were going to pursue the case with the edited version that Crowder gave them). They just didn't pull that decision out of their ass. I don't get the argument that he's a bigger guy so he wouldn't push him. There's plenty of situations where the bigger guy will be the instigator first. Hell, it's probably more often that they are the ones whom insitigate rather than are the victim. I'm not saying Bernie didn't lie. Every politician has some lies during debates. There's apparently quite a huge difference between how much Bernie lied and how much Cruz lied though. Look at the unedited video. It doesn't show Crowder pushing him and my point was that Crowder's body language didn't show any malice or aggression. There were a few things I noticed in the debate that he lied about that didn't get reported but alright they're politicians. They're gonna lie. As for Crowder's take on Sanders. Yes he's a piece of shit. Why did Crowder have to edit the video if he had nothing to hide then? Why couldn't he show the guy being pushed right off the bat? Why did the "Union thug" come after Crowder right after being pushed? Dude, for the last time, the prosecuter said that the man was acting in self defense. Crowder wasn't able to press charges. I feel like I'm talking in circles here. You said Cruz dragged Sanders ass in the debate, so it seems like you got manipulated by Cruz's lies and Crowders hatred for Sanders. Yes, Sanders obviously stated some lies (Poltifact covered some), but Cruz lied so much more.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2017 16:55:24 GMT
Prosecuter's argument not fact and it's clearly circumstantial.
A debate has nothing to do with facts, it's how each debater counteracts the other and Sanders was dreadful. I'm not being biased here.
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Post by dazed on Feb 9, 2017 22:01:30 GMT
Prosecuter's argument not fact and it's clearly circumstantial. A debate has nothing to do with facts, it's how each debater counteracts the other and Sanders was dreadful. I'm not being biased here. A prosecuter's view weighs more than one of our views since they actually reviewed the tapes and investigated what happened only to come out with the outcome of not pressing charges. No one won the debate. People that want a single payer heathcare system still want a single payer heathcare system and people that don't still don't. Neither Cruz or Sanders brought people (a significant amount anways) to their side.
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Post by IceTruckDexter on Feb 9, 2017 22:18:26 GMT
Prosecuter's argument not fact and it's clearly circumstantial. A debate has nothing to do with facts, it's how each debater counteracts the other and Sanders was dreadful. I'm not being biased here. A prosecuter's view weighs more than one of our views since they actually reviewed the tapes and investigated what happened only to come out with the outcome of not pressing charges. No one won the debate. People that want a single payer heathcare system still want a single payer heathcare system and people that don't still don't. Neither Cruz or Sanders brought people (a significant amount anways) to their side. Then why wasn't Crowder prosecuted if he started it. For all we know the union guy could've tripped over himself. Of course people didn't change their mind on this. People rarely change their worldview but that doesn't objectively mean that Cruz didn't win the debate. Sanders didn't have a comeback for most of his points while Cruz did for Sanders. That's why he won.
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Post by cornnetto on Feb 9, 2017 22:47:11 GMT
I don't know in the united state, but in Canada it is usually perfectly legal for 2 men that want to fight, to fight, they could be fined at the municipal level if they cause disturbance, but otherwise it is not an issue (we could not play hockey, box, etc... if that was not the case).
You are usually prosecuted only if the other party is pressing charge and if he was not willing to fight, so that could be the reason (and I imagine that for a small push no one would do that).
It look like that in the US it change state by state if consensual fight is perfectly legal (in some it is a complete defense, in other it change the assault to a petty misdemeanor).
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Post by dazed on Feb 9, 2017 23:10:51 GMT
A prosecuter's view weighs more than one of our views since they actually reviewed the tapes and investigated what happened only to come out with the outcome of not pressing charges. No one won the debate. People that want a single payer heathcare system still want a single payer heathcare system and people that don't still don't. Neither Cruz or Sanders brought people (a significant amount anways) to their side. Then why wasn't Crowder prosecuted if he started it. For all we know the union guy could've tripped over himself. Of course people didn't change their mind on this. People rarely change their worldview but that doesn't objectively mean that Cruz didn't win the debate. Sanders didn't have a comeback for most of his points while Cruz did for Sanders. That's why he won. What Cornetto said and why would the guy instantly come after Crowder if he tripped over himself? Right when that guy got up off of the ground, he came after him so it only makes sense that Crowder pushed him (unless the guy thought it was Crowder but it was actually someone else who pushed him, which I doubt since he was only by other union workers who were on his side). Agree to disagree about who won the debate.
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