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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Nov 9, 2017 22:59:43 GMT
Stop "ruining" geniuses, goddamnit! So sick of these goddamn witch-hunts! Louis is THE greatest stand-up working today & even if these rumors are true, they will NOT ruin his brilliant stand-up specials for me. They (and his show) will stand the test of time.
I remember the days were "separate art from artist" was agreed as the common sense rational position by intellectually sound people. Wish I could pin point the moment when regressive SJW scum turned it into a debate.
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Post by forksforest on Nov 10, 2017 1:31:35 GMT
liiike, why? is this a turn-on? is it meant to be funny? what the fuck. it's just bonkers behaviour
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Post by Weaver Addict on Nov 10, 2017 3:38:36 GMT
I really don't understand the appeal of these Hollywood guys wanting to jerk off in front of people. Like at least (and this is gonna sound horrible) if you're going to sexually harass someone, why make it something you can do on your own time? It's pretty baffling. I don't get it either. I'd guess it comes down to some deep self esteem issues. They want to feel attractive enough that girls would want to watch them. So they twist it to fantasize that it's something they want. I think its all about their power and asserting it over women. "hey I'm famous, I can pull out my dick, masturbate, HUMILIATE her and get away with it. I get off on this kind of thing. I've been doing it for years." Look at what Trump said about pussy grabbing any woman he wants. No respect for women whatsoever. If he's found guilty, jail time.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Nov 10, 2017 5:43:58 GMT
I remember the days were "separate art from artist" was agreed as the common sense rational position by intellectually sound people. Wish I could pin point the moment when regressive SJW scum turned it into a debate. In his regard, that is an entirely moot argument. I agree to some extant that if we want to remain sane, we have to look past such things to appreciate films (how many movies in my collection would I have to throw out because people in them did horrible things?), but there’s a huge difference between the likes of Polanski and Spacey, and someone like C.K. As terrible as their actions may be, I can at least look past what Polanski and Spacey did because of the sheer strength of their art, building engaging stories and characters not meant to represent them, and don’t strike me as the type of people intentionally attempting to offend or dive into bad taste. On the other hand, C.K. has a habit of including such issues as part of his routines and material, and a film like “I Love You, Daddy” releasing in a post-Weinstein epidemic (and knowing allegations leveled against him could become a talking point) is one of the most ill-timed release plans to date. And as for the argument “Well, he’s intentionally doing that in order to start conversation. It’s just a narrative, not the actual person.” I don’t think that holds up either. Let’s not forget that while C.K. is a storyteller, he is still first and foremost a comedian. And by trade, a comic typically draws their material for their routines from an autobiographical standpoint. Perhaps in an exaggerated fashion, but it’s still clear that the comic is drawing from his/her own life in order to build the story. And unlike Spacey, C.K. isn’t just being handed a character that belongs to someone else, as he is single-handedly supplying all of his material to himself, and so the line between art and artist doesn’t hold up, because it’s main driving force is intentionally blurring those lines. By leaning so far into these topics, *he* has unintentionally hung a lingering shadow over himself. So even if all of this completely blows over, and it turns out that none of it was true, how are we supposed to look at anything he does with fresh eyes? How are we supposed to look at his narratives without being reminded on some subconscious level of these things being brought to light?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 16:49:43 GMT
I was kinda looking forward to it
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Nov 10, 2017 17:39:41 GMT
I really don't understand the appeal of these Hollywood guys wanting to jerk off in front of people. Like at least (and this is gonna sound horrible) if you're going to sexually harass someone, why make it something you can do on your own time? I don't get it either. Why are you jerking off in front of women who don't want to see that?! Weirdo shit. All we're learning is that Hollywood is filled with so fucking many creeps! I'm glad they are being exposed. People should be able to work in an environment where they don't have to worry about being violated by these creeps just because they have clout or respected art.
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Post by avnermoriarti on Nov 10, 2017 18:01:40 GMT
This is the wrong way to handle this situations, in a few weeks Hollywood will be dominated by nuns and the pope and even them are not clean at all. We've all been bad humans one way or another and in the majority of the situations is the darker side, at least in art, that nourishes creativity.
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Post by Lord_Buscemi on Nov 10, 2017 18:05:16 GMT
Stop "ruining" geniuses, goddamnit! So sick of these goddamn witch-hunts! Louis is THE greatest stand-up working today & even if these rumors are true (which I DOUBT), they will NOT ruin his brilliant stand-up specials for me. They (and his show) will stand the test of time. But I'd hate & deeply furiously RESENT if a prolific & phenomenal multi-talent would find his career stalling because of UNPROVEN & baseless innuendo. Oh, and I fucking hate how everyone's just dismissing the fact that Kirkman stated flat-out that she was NOT talking about him. Like, I get staying quiet as not to hurt her career, but all these SJW virtual lynch-mobbers are basically calling someone they allege is a victim a LIAR as not too spoil their baseless crusade. What happened to "believing the victims", huh? She says it wasn't Louie who victimized her. BELIEVE HER! I remember the days were "separate art from artist" was agreed as the common sense rational position by intellectually sound people. Wish I could pin point the moment when regressive SJW scum turned it into a debate. Hello Reddit.
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Post by thomasjerome on Nov 10, 2017 18:39:59 GMT
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Post by Mattsby on Nov 10, 2017 19:20:31 GMT
Orchard already sent all their screeners out; really wouldn't be surprised if the film leaks online relatively soon.
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Post by rhodoraonline on Nov 10, 2017 19:39:19 GMT
At least this seems sincere. If he really does as he promises here I would certainly forgive him in the future than all the others creeps, including the more talented and prestigious ones.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Nov 10, 2017 19:42:58 GMT
This is the wrong way to handle this situations, in a few weeks Hollywood will be dominated by nuns and the pope and even them are not clean at all. We've all been bad humans one way or another and in the majority of the situations is the darker side, at least in art, that nourishes creativity. Art is not worth putting people in harm's way at the hands of someone with the ability to abuse their power. There's being a dick every once in a while and then there's doing this kind of stuff. As for the part about the darker side nourishing creativity, that in cases like this might make it even worse since it's using someone's own crimes for which the victims have been silenced and not received justice and using that as fodder for one's own professional gain.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 10, 2017 19:55:42 GMT
Jesus ! There are a lot of sick twisted fucks in Hollyweird !
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Nov 10, 2017 20:40:08 GMT
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 10, 2017 20:42:25 GMT
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Post by RiverleavesElmius on Nov 10, 2017 20:44:19 GMT
I really don't understand the appeal of these Hollywood guys wanting to jerk off in front of people. Like at least (and this is gonna sound horrible) if you're going to sexually harass someone, why make it something you can do on your own time? I don't get it either. Why are you jerking off in front of women who don't want to see that?! Weirdo shit. All we're learning is that Hollywood is filled with so fucking many creeps! I'm glad they are being exposed. People should be able to work in an environment where they don't have to worry about being violated by these creeps just because they have clout or respected art. Hollywood is filled with creeps? SHOCKER! When do we learn smoking causes cancer and global warming is man made?
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Nov 10, 2017 21:56:49 GMT
I don't get it either. Why are you jerking off in front of women who don't want to see that?! Weirdo shit. All we're learning is that Hollywood is filled with so fucking many creeps! I'm glad they are being exposed. People should be able to work in an environment where they don't have to worry about being violated by these creeps just because they have clout or respected art. Hollywood is filled with creeps? SHOCKER! When do we learn smoking causes cancer and global warming is man made? That was weak. No one is THAT shocked. But it is interesting that you always seem more bothered by the victims and the people who are disgusted by the creeps than the actual creeps.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Nov 10, 2017 22:07:37 GMT
This is the wrong way to handle this situations, in a few weeks Hollywood will be dominated by nuns and the pope and even them are not clean at all. We've all been bad humans one way or another and in the majority of the situations is the darker side, at least in art, that nourishes creativity. You're not thinking about it from a workplace perspective involving numerous people just trying to earn a living who should not have to put up with this behavior. And I would say so far everyone that has been exposed has deserved it for habitually exhibiting behavior that could land them in JAIL under any normal circumstance. This goes beyond creativity. Everyone deserves a safe work environment. Just as a janitor shouldn't get away with this behavior, neither should an actor.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Nov 10, 2017 22:22:21 GMT
Wow. I will say one thing though. Of all the people exposed so far, I think he has the biggest shot at a comeback. Now maybe he won't get the Hollywood career he could have had, BUT I think he could stay quiet for a little while and start back his stand-up, and people will turn out for it. Am I crazy for thinking this?
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Post by forksforest on Nov 10, 2017 22:35:31 GMT
Wow. I will say one thing though. Of all the people exposed so far, I think he has the biggest shot at a comeback. Now maybe he won't get the Hollywood career he could have had, BUT I think he could stay quiet for a little while and start back his stand-up, and people will turn out for it. Am I crazy for thinking this? As long as his situation doesn't escalate like Spacey's did, I'd agree. it also helps that he's a comedian and a writer, because he can just frame the situation differently or use this incident as fodder for future routines. Most of his fans are used to his inappropriateness anyways. I don't see it being a Michael Richards situation.
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Post by forksforest on Nov 10, 2017 22:39:46 GMT
This is the wrong way to handle this situations, in a few weeks Hollywood will be dominated by nuns and the pope and even them are not clean at all. We've all been bad humans one way or another and in the majority of the situations is the darker side, at least in art, that nourishes creativity. but what is the right way? I get what you're saying, but the 'creativity' that this shitty behaviour is nourishing is at the expense of others' lives/safety/dignity etc, so unless there are volunteers who want to subjugate themselves to this conduct to nourish the creativity of these 'ingenues', I don't see it as a valid argument to say we should just ignore/silence the issue bc these genius directors/writers/comedians need to benefit off of degrading others. EDIT: honestly, that being said, I draw a huge exceptions to musicians where I know many of the artists sing about and live pretty questionable [moral] lives, but their lifestyles really do influence their creativity and the caliber of their music...so, eh.
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Post by HELENA MARIA on Nov 10, 2017 22:54:00 GMT
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Post by Weaver Addict on Nov 11, 2017 1:50:39 GMT
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Post by CookiesNCream on Nov 11, 2017 7:57:00 GMT
Quite a damn shame right there. But at least he ended up confessing about it right away rather than hesitating to do so, like some others.
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Post by fredrikwiener on Nov 11, 2017 8:44:22 GMT
Quite a damn shame right there. But at least he ended up confessing about it right away rather than hesitating to do so, like some others. He also apologised to some of his victims before the story even leaked, so at least his apology is genuine. It's a lot more sincere than Spacey's "I don't remember... I was drunk... I'm gay BTW" response. However, it's still not good enough. He should still be crucified for his actions.
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