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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on May 9, 2022 20:36:58 GMT
I can't believe after 32 years Dances with Wolves is finally getting a sequel
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Post by stephen on May 9, 2022 21:09:08 GMT
Marvel and Spielberg sink. And for the doubters, yeah do your galaxy brain move and doubt the dude who brought you Terminator 2 and AliensI mean, the dude also brought us Avatar, so...
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on May 9, 2022 21:41:28 GMT
Are you unfamiliar with a large percentage of sequels? A good sequel, let me rephrase xD EDIT: Something that Cameron has managed to do in the past, because even Aliens and T2 aren’t just straight rehashes of the original film. But I don’t know. I get the feeling with Avatar, he may be pushing the technology more than he pushes the story. And I say that as somebody who loves Avatar, despite the fact that as a story, it is incredibly mediocre I don’t think T2 is that loved for it’s story. Pushing technology more than story is what he does and it literally has worked for him every time.
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Post by DeepArcher on May 9, 2022 21:49:25 GMT
This was genuinely breathtaking on a big screen. Cameron is back, baby! Wait so this movie is an actual thing now? That's annoying. I had bad taste five years ago idk what to tell you dude
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 9, 2022 23:21:31 GMT
A good sequel, let me rephrase xD EDIT: Something that Cameron has managed to do in the past, because even Aliens and T2 aren’t just straight rehashes of the original film. But I don’t know. I get the feeling with Avatar, he may be pushing the technology more than he pushes the story. And I say that as somebody who loves Avatar, despite the fact that as a story, it is incredibly mediocre I don’t think T2 is that loved for it’s story. Pushing technology more than story is what he does and it literally has worked for him every time. Oh, it certainly is.
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Post by stephen on May 9, 2022 23:29:13 GMT
A good sequel, let me rephrase xD EDIT: Something that Cameron has managed to do in the past, because even Aliens and T2 aren’t just straight rehashes of the original film. But I don’t know. I get the feeling with Avatar, he may be pushing the technology more than he pushes the story. And I say that as somebody who loves Avatar, despite the fact that as a story, it is incredibly mediocre I don’t think T2 is that loved for it’s story. Pushing technology more than story is what he does and it literally has worked for him every time. I'd argue Terminator 2 is pretty well beloved because everything about it works (give or take Edward Furlong). The script, the performances, the direction, the stakes, and yes, the visuals. Aliens was the same way. So was Titanic, although people were starting to recognize that Cameron's narratives were perhaps flimsier than what the stories might've sustained, considering the spectacle of everything around them. (I do think Titanic is unfairly labeled with that, as I feel like if we remove the Paxton/Stuart storyline, the 1912-set story of the film is very good.) Avatar is the, well, avatar of this trajectory. Cameron's story was not just simple, it was derivative, and I think if you were not on board with the wonder and spectacle of Pandora and the visual effects on display, you were bound to be disappointed, especially as Cameron has spent more time developing technology than a story. I did not care for any of the first film in any real way because I found the visuals to be largely unappealing to look at, and I found the direction to be lifeless despite the vibrant color palette. It's Cameron's stodgiest film, and by quite some margin, because it was the first time he'd made a movie where I felt zero excitement at any point in its runtime.
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Post by urbanpatrician on May 9, 2022 23:29:20 GMT
A good sequel, let me rephrase xD EDIT: Something that Cameron has managed to do in the past, because even Aliens and T2 aren’t just straight rehashes of the original film. But I don’t know. I get the feeling with Avatar, he may be pushing the technology more than he pushes the story. And I say that as somebody who loves Avatar, despite the fact that as a story, it is incredibly mediocre I don’t think T2 is that loved for it’s story. Pushing technology more than story is what he does and it literally has worked for him every time. T-2 changed the game for the action genre. It's loved for everything......... the genre, the mythology, the advancement of technology, James Cameron, Arnold, Linda Hamilton. It's a whole shebang kind of movie rather than a loved for an individual aspect kinda movie. There's a few shows and video games that came as a result of T-2, so it really advanced that arena of pop culture.
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Post by futuretrunks on May 9, 2022 23:52:53 GMT
I don’t think T2 is that loved for it’s story. Pushing technology more than story is what he does and it literally has worked for him every time. I'd argue Terminator 2 is pretty well beloved because everything about it works (give or take Edward Furlong). The script, the performances, the direction, the stakes, and yes, the visuals. Aliens was the same way. So was Titanic, although people were starting to recognize that Cameron's narratives were perhaps flimsier than what the stories might've sustained, considering the spectacle of everything around them. (I do think Titanic is unfairly labeled with that, as I feel like if we remove the Paxton/Stuart storyline, the 1912-set story of the film is very good.) Avatar is the, well, avatar of this trajectory. Cameron's story was not just simple, it was derivative, and I think if you were not on board with the wonder and spectacle of Pandora and the visual effects on display, you were bound to be disappointed, especially as Cameron has spent more time developing technology than a story. I did not care for any of the first film in any real way because I found the visuals to be largely unappealing to look at, and I found the direction to be lifeless despite the vibrant color palette. It's Cameron's stodgiest film, and by quite some margin, because it was the first time he'd made a movie where I felt zero excitement at any point in its runtime. It was derivative, but engaging despite its flaws, which is a trademark of Cameron's. I think the only Marvel movie definitively better IMO is the first Iron Man, and that's saying alot.
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Post by stephen on May 9, 2022 23:58:33 GMT
I'd argue Terminator 2 is pretty well beloved because everything about it works (give or take Edward Furlong). The script, the performances, the direction, the stakes, and yes, the visuals. Aliens was the same way. So was Titanic, although people were starting to recognize that Cameron's narratives were perhaps flimsier than what the stories might've sustained, considering the spectacle of everything around them. (I do think Titanic is unfairly labeled with that, as I feel like if we remove the Paxton/Stuart storyline, the 1912-set story of the film is very good.) Avatar is the, well, avatar of this trajectory. Cameron's story was not just simple, it was derivative, and I think if you were not on board with the wonder and spectacle of Pandora and the visual effects on display, you were bound to be disappointed, especially as Cameron has spent more time developing technology than a story. I did not care for any of the first film in any real way because I found the visuals to be largely unappealing to look at, and I found the direction to be lifeless despite the vibrant color palette. It's Cameron's stodgiest film, and by quite some margin, because it was the first time he'd made a movie where I felt zero excitement at any point in its runtime. It was derivative, but engaging despite its flaws, which is a trademark of Cameron's. I think the only Marvel movie definitively better IMO is the first Iron Man, and that's saying alot. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and defend Marvel's storytelling as the second coming of Chayefsky or anything, but I definitely think that the MCU by and large has Avatar beat on a narrative level. Yes, Feige's template has made it so where you could almost write these things by algorithm at this point, but I think in Cameron's previous works, his "derivative" premises were tweaked or given a unique spin (i.e. Aliens is a Vietnam story but set in the future, Terminator 2 inverted the gender roles of its leads), and after over a decade of working on it, I would think Cameron would've given a bit more attention to playing around with those conventions in the story. I couldn't be engaged on any level because the characters were extremely lacking, and I don't think the actors really were able to do much to sell them. Compare it to Aliens, where every non-Ripley character was pretty much a cliche but the actors played those roles so well that they eventually codified those stereotypes.
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Post by mhynson27 on May 10, 2022 0:49:50 GMT
"This family... is our fortress." Somewhere, Vin Diesel just got simultaneously erect and litigious. Vin Diesel actually joined the franchise, maybe he's trying to take it down from within.
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Post by stephen on May 10, 2022 0:50:53 GMT
"This family... is our fortress." Somewhere, Vin Diesel just got simultaneously erect and litigious. Vin Diesel actually joined the franchise, maybe he's trying to take it down from within. I mean, if Han shows up and they Tokyo Drift with a leonopteryx, I might consider it worthy of Best Picture.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 10, 2022 0:58:34 GMT
Vin Diesel actually joined the franchise, maybe he's trying to take it down from within. I mean, if Han shows up and they Tokyo Drift with a leonopteryx, I might consider it worthy of Best Picture. Man, who knew Mel Gibson was gonna be the big baddie in the post credits clip?
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 11, 2022 2:07:51 GMT
lol
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 11, 2022 2:34:21 GMT
The gap between the two films feels especially large when we're seeing (or "hearing," more accurately) Sam Worthington in a high profile project again after Hollywood failed to make him a thing after the release of the first Avatar.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 11, 2022 2:46:09 GMT
Saw the trailer in Dolby. What Cameron is doing on a technical level is certifiably insane and it looks like he pulled it off there, now just hoping his script is up to snuff and he can replicate some of his earlier sequel magic.
But the fact the gap between this and its predecessor is greater than the gap between Titanic and Avatar is utterly insane to me.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on May 11, 2022 19:51:30 GMT
I feel the “no cultural impact” thing was way overblown. People just need to be reminded. It was the biggest movie for a reason. People loved the experience of seeing this in theaters.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 13, 2022 20:56:57 GMT
Honestly, the “nobody cares about Avatar” argument may truly be dying off. From the circles I’m seeing, this is being hyped through the roof. I don’t think it’ll touch the original’s box office intake (it’s just a different environment now), but I don’t doubt it’ll make bank
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Post by wonky on May 13, 2022 21:05:52 GMT
I think it has a reasonable shot of landing in the top 5 of all time, both domestically and worldwide. That's about my high bar for it. More than that would be astonishing but Cameron is Cameron.
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on May 13, 2022 21:35:57 GMT
I think it has a reasonable shot of landing in the top 5 of all time, both domestically and worldwide. That's about my high bar for it. More than that would be astonishing but Cameron is Cameron. Considering how much China's market has exploded since 2009, I'd be surprised if this doesn't clear $2b worldwide.
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Post by JangoB on May 13, 2022 21:57:01 GMT
Honestly, the “nobody cares about Avatar” argument may truly be dying off. It always was ridiculous.
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Post by wonky on May 14, 2022 4:12:11 GMT
I think it has a reasonable shot of landing in the top 5 of all time, both domestically and worldwide. That's about my high bar for it. More than that would be astonishing but Cameron is Cameron. Considering how much China's market has exploded since 2009, I'd be surprised if this doesn't clear $2b worldwide. Ya I think if it clears $2.1b worldwide and $800m domestic, placing it #4 on both charts and above Avatar domestically, I'll be officially impressed. My super low bar for it is probably like, Aquaman numbers.
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Post by Pavan on May 14, 2022 5:08:35 GMT
It might even break the first Avatar's worldwide figure if Cameron delivers the goods.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on May 14, 2022 6:00:02 GMT
My super low bar for it is probably like, Aquaman numbers. Wan’s or Cameron’s?
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Post by wonky on May 14, 2022 19:44:52 GMT
Lolol I totally forgot about that
Cameron's became the highest grosser of all-time in 2006 so it's automatically disqualified as the low bar...
However Cameron's opening weekend blew away Wan's $117m to $70m, I have to think Avatar 2 will surpass both
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on May 15, 2022 4:49:32 GMT
Somehow it just occurred to me that this will be the first James Cameron film since True Lies not to be scored by James Horner... which I suppose isn’t really that big of a deal considering Cameron’s only done two other films since then, and it obviously wasn’t something like the legendary Spielberg/Williams collaboration, but Horner’s absence for this sequel still seems significant even though he’s only scored three of Cameron’s films in total. Maybe it’s because their collaboration dates all the way back to Aliens, which features one of Horner’s most iconic scores, but was a fraught experience for Horner, and their reunion on Titanic resulted in not only another one of Horner’s most well-known and iconic scores, but also his first and only Oscar wins, so their history feels kind of special in that regard.
The biggest film where Simon Franglen is credited as a composer is the Magnificent Seven remake, whose score was finished by Franglen after Horner’s death. He was long-time collaborator with James Horner as an arranger and producer on Titanic and the first Avatar, among others, so it’s not surprising that he’s now tasked with scoring the Avatar sequels... still, it’s interesting that Cameron didn’t choose to go with a bigger name composer for a huge project like this, like Alan Silvestri for instance, someone who he’s worked with before and has extensive experience composing for big blockbusters. I suppose since Franglen had worked closely with Horner, it's probably Cameron’s way of trying to replicate Horner’s sound as much as possible.
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