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Post by stabcaesar on Jul 29, 2019 8:40:16 GMT
Adams for acting. Not that Chastain isn't good but she's slightly more boring in her choices. Brilliant in Take Shelter and Zero Dark Thirty though.
In terms of looks they are about equal imo, but Amy Adams feels like a far more endearing person so that helps.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 29, 2019 9:18:58 GMT
2 years later. After rewatching Junebug, Adams absolutely destroys Chastain. I don't even like Chastain anymore, hasn't done anything relevant since 2014, and she's a total noobie. Amy wins easily. Her little Junebug stomach > Chastain's entire filmography. People are just fond of that 2011-2013 period because that's when the majority of these users got into films. But it's 2019, Adams has been better since '13 - though I admit Chastain was better in those 3 years in particular. All this. Chastain has been a huge disappointment. She's only been around a few years and already lost the ability to surprise. And I was rooting for her. But the hype behind her carpet bombing audiences with films in 2011 has worn off, and in the cold light of day 8 years later, she's shown herself to be a solid, professional actress, but not the transcendent talent she was being sold as. Not someone playing with the Kidmans Streeps and Blanchett's of the world. Turns out she's not even a particularly chameleonic performer, which people tried to sell her as initially. Talent wise, she's about on par with her much less hyped doppleganger Bryce Dallas Howard. Howard may actually be the slightly better actress. Adams has gone from someone I once found massively overrated in part because she got too many easy or undeserving Oscar nods (and I still think that) to someone whose talent I feel must be respected. She's a level above Chastain. Looks wise, Adams is pretty. Chastain is a stunner though with more natural sex appeal, and it's helped maintain her fairly unexciting career as a leading lady. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 29, 2019 9:30:03 GMT
Chastain for both.
Amy us a wonderful actress but I think Chastain has the ability to overpass her.
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 29, 2019 9:39:28 GMT
Chastain for both. Amy us a wonderful actress but I think Chastain has the ability to overpass her. Agreed on looks. It's Chastain. But for ability and actual accomplishment...Adams smokes her and it's not close anymore. Around 2013, I'd have picked Chastain, but she's shown her real level isn't as high as people hoped for. And they are about the same age, so it's not like time is on Chastain's side.Maybe Chastain being Pacino's "protege/discovery" is part of the reason some Pacino fans like yourself act like she is something special, but again, after that initial splash with several movies at once, Chastain has gotten to a fairly average level and stayed there, while Adams is actually proving her doubters wrong and doing stronger and more surprising work. I can't keep propping up Chastain for potential that she has failed to realise, given the many opportunities she's had to realise it. |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Jul 29, 2019 9:42:47 GMT
2 years later. After rewatching Junebug, Adams absolutely destroys Chastain. I don't even like Chastain anymore, hasn't done anything relevant since 2014, and she's a total noobie. Amy wins easily. Her little Junebug stomach > Chastain's entire filmography. People are just fond of that 2011-2013 period because that's when the majority of these users got into films. But it's 2019, Adams has been better since '13 - though I admit Chastain was better in those 3 years in particular. All this. Chastain has been a huge disappointment. She's only been around a few years and already lost the ability to surprise. And I was rooting for her. But the hype behind her carpet bombing audiences with films in 2011 has worn off, and in the cold light of day 8 years later, she's shown herself to be a solid, professional actress, but not the transcendent talent she was being sold as. Not someone playing with the Kidmans Streeps and Blanchett's of the world. Turns out she's not even a particularly chameleonic performer, which people tried to sell her as initially. Talent wise, she's about on par with her much less hyped doppleganger Bryce Dallas Howard. Howard may actually be the slightly better actress. Adams has gone from someone I once found massively overrated in part because she got too many easy or undeserving Oscar nods (and I still think that) to someone whose talent I feel must be respected. She's a level above Chastain. Looks wise, Adams is pretty. Chastain is a stunner though with more natural sex appeal, and it's helped maintain her fairly unexciting career as a leading lady. Agreed. Chameleonic was a silly hype train to anoint her with in 2011, one year into her acting career. She obviously didn't live up to all that spazzed-up love in 2011. She's also limited too, I wonder how many roles you can really cast her in but I'm guessing not many. Don't see her as a Kidman or Blanchett at all. I find that laughable almost. And I'm not saying Adams is like Kidman or Blanchett. Kidman and Blanchett and Swinton aren't comparable. I may like one less than the other, but these 3 are too well trained by the Australian/British theater. However, leaving aside the high theatrical training aspect of an actress, I think Adams should be seen differently. She doesn't quite have the powerful intensity of Kidman, but I feel she has the ability to carve out some pretty interesting and varied characters. For one, I think she plays stressed and on medications pretty well. She plays condescending pretty well too. I can appreciate Adams for her strengths. She at least excels in the roles that's offered and given to her. She's starting to build up a pretty stacked filmography, and it seems she always finds a way to re-inspire the audience when it looks like her career might start to slightly hit a pike. Still hasn't shown any signs of slowing down yet. I'm curious to hear your take on her talent you feel must be respected. I think that's an interesting take. Any further thoughts on that? Personally speaking I think Vice, Doubt...... stuff like that are pretty mediocre. Her and American Hustle are enjoyable but not comparable to some of her peaks. But that's the lowest I'll say about her. Her work in Junebug is untouchable. Better than anything by most actresses. But yeah... really interested in your take on her being a figure of respect. I wonder if there's anything more to that thought. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 29, 2019 9:57:26 GMT
Chastain for both. Amy us a wonderful actress but I think Chastain has the ability to overpass her. Agreed on looks. It's Chastain. But for ability and actual accomplishment...Adams smokes her and it's not close anymore. Around 2013, I'd have picked Chastain, but she's shown her real level isn't as high as people hoped for. And they are about the same age, so it's like time is on Chastain's side.Maybe Chastain being Pacino's "protege/discovery" is part of the reason some Pacino fans like yourself act like she is something special, but again, after that initial splash with several movies at once, Chastain has gotten to a fairly average level and stayed there, while Adams is actually proving her doubters wrong and doing stronger and more surprising work. I can't keep propping up Chastain for potential that she has failed to realise, given the many opportunities she's had to realise it. Please stop judging people's opinions based on their avatar!! (that was a joke...) The reason I learned who she was and watched her was indeed her role in a Pacino movie. I was wowed by her in Salome. But the real reason I like her better than Adams is I never really cared about Adams! Fine actress, I admit it. But I never liked her. Up to now she's done much more than JC but I believe Chastain has not reached her heights yet. Maybe she won't. But I think she has the potential. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 29, 2019 10:15:51 GMT
All this. Chastain has been a huge disappointment. She's only been around a few years and already lost the ability to surprise. And I was rooting for her. But the hype behind her carpet bombing audiences with films in 2011 has worn off, and in the cold light of day 8 years later, she's shown herself to be a solid, professional actress, but not the transcendent talent she was being sold as. Not someone playing with the Kidmans Streeps and Blanchett's of the world. Turns out she's not even a particularly chameleonic performer, which people tried to sell her as initially. Talent wise, she's about on par with her much less hyped doppleganger Bryce Dallas Howard. Howard may actually be the slightly better actress. Adams has gone from someone I once found massively overrated in part because she got too many easy or undeserving Oscar nods (and I still think that) to someone whose talent I feel must be respected. She's a level above Chastain. Looks wise, Adams is pretty. Chastain is a stunner though with more natural sex appeal, and it's helped maintain her fairly unexciting career as a leading lady. Agreed. Chameleonic was a silly hype train to anoint her with in 2011, one year into her acting career. She obviously didn't live up to all that spazzed-up love in 2011. She's also limited too, I wonder how many roles you can really cast her in but I'm guessing not many. Don't see her as a Kidman or Blanchett at all. I find that laughable almost. And I'm not saying Adams is like Kidman or Blanchett. Kidman and Blanchett and Swinton aren't comparable. I may like one less than the other, but these 3 are too well trained by the Australian/British theater. However, leaving aside the high theatrical training aspect of an actress, I think Adams should be seen differently. She doesn't quite have the powerful intensity of Kidman, but I feel she has the strengths to carve out some pretty interesting and varied characters. For one, I think she plays stressed and on medications pretty well. She plays condescending pretty well too. I can appreciate Adams for her strengths. She at least excels in the roles that's offered and given to her. She's starting to build up a pretty stacked filmography, and it seems she always finds a way to re-inspire the audience when it looks like her career might start to slightly hit a pike. Still hasn't shown any signs of slowing down yet. I'm curious to hear your take on her talent you feel must be respected. I think that's an interesting take. Any further thoughts on that? Personally speaking I think Vice, Doubt...... stuff like that are pretty mediocre. Her and American Hustle are enjoyable but not comparable to some of her peaks. But that's the lowest I'll say about her. Her work in Junebug is untouchable. Better than anything by most actresses. But yeah... really interested in your take on her being a figure of respect. I wonder if there's anything more to that thought. Saying Adams is a talent to be respected, doesn't mean I place her talent near the Swintons, Kidmans and Blanchetts of the world. But there is a level below that. which Adams falls into that deserves respect. It goes above being a capable and consistent professional (ie Chastain) and into the realm of being versatile and occasionally inspired (Emily Blunt is in the same realm for me). You are right that Adams gives too many basic profesional performances that gain awards season traction because she is in the right movie (Doubt, American Hustle, Vice etc. I don't even feel she did much of note in The Master, though that was more down to PTA). But you look at Enchanted, and the range required to nail that, and you see her in something like Sharp Objects on TV, where she is able to dig deeper into a dramatic role than most of her film turns, which are often supporting. Arrival was strong for her as well. And of course Junebug. So while she has a lot of overrated work because her Agent gets her in the right movies, she can actually deliver at a very high level in the right circumstances. Like you said, Adams has the ability to re-inspire audiences when it looks like we've seen the best of her. She can still surprise...something Chastain struggles with. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 29, 2019 10:40:40 GMT
Agreed on looks. It's Chastain. But for ability and actual accomplishment...Adams smokes her and it's not close anymore. Around 2013, I'd have picked Chastain, but she's shown her real level isn't as high as people hoped for. And they are about the same age, so it's like time is on Chastain's side.Maybe Chastain being Pacino's "protege/discovery" is part of the reason some Pacino fans like yourself act like she is something special, but again, after that initial splash with several movies at once, Chastain has gotten to a fairly average level and stayed there, while Adams is actually proving her doubters wrong and doing stronger and more surprising work. I can't keep propping up Chastain for potential that she has failed to realise, given the many opportunities she's had to realise it. Please stop judging people's opinions based on their avatar!! (that was a joke...) The reason I learned who she was and watched her was indeed her role in a Pacino movie. I was wowed by her in Salome. But the real reason I like her better than Adams is I never really cared about Adams! Fine actress, I admit it. But I never liked her. Up to now she's done much more than JC but I believe Chastain has not reached her heights yet. Maybe she won't. But I think she has the potential. Disagree, but horses for courses I guess. I do wonder when Chastain will jump on the Prestige TV bandwagon to regain some momentum, because her film career is really treading water at the moment. Reminds me of Gwyneth Paltrow's slow descent in the 2000's. |
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Post by TerryMontana on Jul 29, 2019 10:55:43 GMT
Please stop judging people's opinions based on their avatar!! (that was a joke...) The reason I learned who she was and watched her was indeed her role in a Pacino movie. I was wowed by her in Salome. But the real reason I like her better than Adams is I never really cared about Adams! Fine actress, I admit it. But I never liked her. Up to now she's done much more than JC but I believe Chastain has not reached her heights yet. Maybe she won't. But I think she has the potential. Disagree, but horses for courses I guess. I do wonder when Chastain will jump on the Prestige TV bandwagon to regain some momentum, because her film career is really treading water at the moment. Reminds me of Gwyneth Paltrow's slow descent in the 2000's. TV work would be a good choice, I guess, as it is for most actors nowadays. I still hope she'll find an interesting film project to "revive" her career. But that won't happen by playing in the IT sequel. |
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Post by pacinoyes on Jul 29, 2019 11:23:41 GMT
The reason I learned who she was and watched her was indeed her role in a Pacino movie. I was wowed by her in Salome.Of course you were because it's a shocking performance that will wow anyone who actually saw it.  The thing that's so amazing about her in the film is not only how fearless she is but also how technically adept she is in the classical text - that is like Shakespearean text it is not naturalistic text at all and she delivers it astonishingly well in its totality within the role. I see a lot of actresses turn off their sexuality (wrongly) or use it (wrongly) ..................but she conceived it and then uses it perfectly while handling that text. Very few actresses could balance that text in the role and pull that off - and I'm talking like Blanchett when she was younger could do it. That means something when the best working actress in English is the only one I can think of who could really pull it off. That's just one performance and one example but people shouldn't confuse Chastain's career at the moment with her talent. She has some reservoirs of talent that don't always show. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Jul 29, 2019 19:48:28 GMT
Disagree, but horses for courses I guess. I do wonder when Chastain will jump on the Prestige TV bandwagon to regain some momentum, because her film career is really treading water at the moment. Reminds me of Gwyneth Paltrow's slow descent in the 2000's. TV work would be a good choice, I guess, as it is for most actors nowadays. I still hope she'll find an interesting film project to "revive" her career. But that won't happen by playing in the IT sequel. We'll, Chastain needs to do something. She bombed with critics on her Broadway debut as well in The Heiress, when she was being hyped to death as this great theatrical discovery that would dominate screen and stage like no other. Turned out she was a madly overrated stage actress as well (at least we no longer hear that great theatre actress hype either).The hype machine that propelled Chastain to stardom was second to none, and I don't mind admitting I almost bought into it. Her PR had us believing she was the second coming of Meryl Streep and Vanessa Redgrave  . Now I feel like a bit of a sucker for falling for that shit, at least initially. It's a shame. There are so many much more talented American actresses around Chastain's age that she's maybe taking valuable space from in film. Elizabeth Moss, Vera Farmiga and Carrie Coon are all far more gifted American actresses who operate on mainly on TV or stage, but are fringe players in film compared to someone like Chastain, who simply isn't as talented as any of them (though to be fair, none if them have her looks either, which can play a big role film stardom. Though I do think Farmiga and Coon are quite striking) Biggest hype train since Gretchen Mol, except unlike Mol, Chastain actually managed to at least turn it into a consistent film career. |
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Post by Allenism on Jul 29, 2019 23:33:57 GMT
I think I already answered this but it's still Chastain for talent easily and Adams for looks barely.
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Post by Pittsnogle_Goggins on Jul 29, 2019 23:59:45 GMT
Adams is way more attractive than Chastain, it’s not remotely close. I think the acting is a lot closer and I could go either way based on which of them I saw more recently. I’ll give a slight edge to Chastain right now.
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. Now I feel like a bit of a sucker for falling for that shit, at least initially.
