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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 4, 2019 17:23:57 GMT
*squuueeeeee!*
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 4, 2019 18:26:18 GMT
I will never not have high expectations for Craig Bond movie but I was really hoping this would be an entirely standalone chapter and that none of it would remind me of the dumpster fire that was Spectre (aka the worst Craig Bond movie) annnnnnnnd... then Christoph Waltz shows up please let it be good please let it be good please let it be good
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 4, 2019 18:32:13 GMT
I was one of the few people who actually liked Spectre, but this already looks 10x better.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 4, 2019 18:43:42 GMT
none of it would remind me of the dumpster fire that was Spectre (aka the worst Craig Bond movie) I also didn't like Spectre and believe they really wasted Blofeld (shame!!) but... worst Craig Bond movie? There was this little piece of garbage called Quantum of Solace...
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 4, 2019 19:09:29 GMT
none of it would remind me of the dumpster fire that was Spectre (aka the worst Craig Bond movie) I also didn't like Spectre and believe they really wasted Blofeld (shame!!) but... worst Craig Bond movie? There was this little piece of garbage called Quantum of Solace... I definitely preferred Quantum to Spectre. Quantum's biggest flaw was relying too much on Casino Royale but Spectre ratchets that up to 11. You really know a franchise has run out of ideas when they have the villain be a supervillain who was there and running the show the whole time behind the scenes (and all because he personally knew Bond's dad... what?? that's some dumb pulled-from-the-ass plotting right there). and it also diminishes the villains in the three preceding films as standalone characters and villains... yes even Matthieu Amalric in Quantum who is a better Bond villain then he's given credit for. I like Mikkelsen's Le Chiffre a lot more as an enterprising accountant over his head than a pawn of this Blofeld guy with his daddy issues. Ugh, no thank you. Spectre is absolutely the worst in my eyes.
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Post by Ryan_MYeah on Dec 4, 2019 20:29:09 GMT
none of it would remind me of the dumpster fire that was Spectre (aka the worst Craig Bond movie) I also didn't like Spectre and believe they really wasted Blofeld (shame!!) but... worst Craig Bond movie? There was this little piece of garbage called Quantum of Solace... Easily worse. Quantum of Solace didn’t retroactively diminish the previous films. I haven’t watched a Bond film since then, because I’m worried of how Skyfall or CR will be affected by it. It doesn’t *ruin* those movies per se, but knowing what I know now after Spectre, I’m not sure I can look at them without those revelations tainting them in some way. And Quantum has its own issues, but at least the slim running time made it a breezy sit, whereas Spectre should have been cut in half to alleviate its bloat.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 4, 2019 20:50:58 GMT
I also didn't like Spectre and believe they really wasted Blofeld (shame!!) but... worst Craig Bond movie? There was this little piece of garbage called Quantum of Solace... I definitely preferred Quantum to Spectre. Quantum's biggest flaw was relying too much on Casino Royale but Spectre ratchets that up to 11. You really know a franchise has run out of ideas when they have the villain be a supervillain who was there and running the show the whole time behind the scenes (and all because he personally knew Bond's dad... what?? that's some dumb pulled-from-the-ass plotting right there). and it also diminishes the villains in the three preceding films as standalone characters and villains... yes even Matthieu Amalric in Quantum who is a better Bond villain then he's given credit for. I like Mikkelsen's Le Chiffre a lot more as an enterprising accountant over his head than a pawn of this Blofeld guy with his daddy issues. Ugh, no thank you. Spectre is absolutely the worst in my eyes. They tried to turn all of Craig Bond films as a whole "Bond universe". Something like Bond phase 1, or something like that. So they had Blofeld orchestrate all (or most) of the events shown in the previous films. That's not necessarily bad. After all, Blofeld is the mastermind of Spectre, which was always the organization MI6 was fighting. The part with Bond's dad, I didn't remember. For a reason... Anyway, we disagree on that. Imo QoS is one the worst Bond films I've seen in my life. Spectre was bad but not awful I think. Around 5.5/10 for me.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 5, 2019 0:42:21 GMT
Rami Malek's character sort of reminds me of Jigsaw from season 2 of The Punisher with the mask and facial scars.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 5, 2019 2:30:41 GMT
Pretty good trailer. Liked him striking the gun barrel pose at the end. I think this puts to bed the "OMG is Bond gonna be a woman now?" talk.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 5, 2019 4:24:45 GMT
Pretty good trailer. Liked him striking the gun barrel pose at the end. I think this puts to bed the "OMG is Bond gonna be a woman now?" talk. Someday... someday...
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Post by quetee on Dec 5, 2019 4:45:11 GMT
First there were trailer announcement trailer. Tonight, I saw a commercial for bond telling me the trailer is online. Why not just play the trailer?
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 5, 2019 4:58:33 GMT
Interesting that the trailer confirmed that Lynch's character is indeed a 00 agent without specifying whether she is the new 007... so I wonder if the trailer is deliberately hiding that detail for the film itself. If those rumors are true and the film opens with Bond in retirement, part of me also wonders if the filmmakers are ballsy enough to introduce Lynch's character during the pre-title sequence in a way that deceives the audience into thinking she's Bond by initially concealing her identity, and then revealing her face at the very end of the pre-title sequence or something.
The Matera action sequence (which the trailer features prominently) seems too long to be the cold open, so I'm not even sure if any of the footage shown in the trailer is actually from the the pre-credits scene.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 5, 2019 5:53:48 GMT
Interesting that the trailer confirmed that Lynch's character is indeed a 00 agent without specifying whether she is the new 007... so I wonder if the trailer is deliberately hiding that detail for the film itself. If those rumors are true and the film opens with Bond in retirement, part of me also wonders if the filmmakers are ballsy enough to introduce Lynch's character during the pre-title sequence in a way that deceives the audience into thinking she's Bond by initially concealing her identity, and then revealing her face at the very end of the pre-title sequence or something. The Matera action sequence (which the trailer features prominently) seems too long to be the cold open, so I'm not even sure if any of the footage shown in the trailer is actually from the the pre-credits scene. Bond is coming out of retirement so I think her character is going to be the agent with the 007 moniker after him as a riff on all the "Bond as a woman" talk. Barbara Broccoli has unambiguously said she's not going to change the franchise and make Bond a woman so I really don't think there's going to be more to it than that.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Dec 5, 2019 6:03:31 GMT
Interesting that the trailer confirmed that Lynch's character is indeed a 00 agent without specifying whether she is the new 007... so I wonder if the trailer is deliberately hiding that detail for the film itself. If those rumors are true and the film opens with Bond in retirement, part of me also wonders if the filmmakers are ballsy enough to introduce Lynch's character during the pre-title sequence in a way that deceives the audience into thinking she's Bond by initially concealing her identity, and then revealing her face at the very end of the pre-title sequence or something. The Matera action sequence (which the trailer features prominently) seems too long to be the cold open, so I'm not even sure if any of the footage shown in the trailer is actually from the the pre-credits scene. Bond is coming out of retirement so I think her character is going to be the agent with the 007 moniker after him as a riff on all the "Bond as a woman" talk. Barbara Broccoli has unambiguously said she's not going to change the franchise and make Bond a woman so I really don't think there's going to be more to it than that. Yeah, that's what I imagine will happen, I was just throwing out the idea of the pre-title sequence featuring her instead of Bond as a kind of trick before the film shifts focus back to Bond himself after the opening credits. Since he'll be in retirement at the start of the film, it sort of begs the question of what motivates the opening action scene since that's always been a staple of Bond films, so I feel like having her at the start of the film would sort of make sense.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 5, 2019 6:46:22 GMT
I totally forgot Phoebe Waller-Bridge is one of the co-writers for this film. It would be interesting to see what she brought to the table.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 5, 2019 6:54:08 GMT
I definitely preferred Quantum to Spectre. Quantum's biggest flaw was relying too much on Casino Royale but Spectre ratchets that up to 11. You really know a franchise has run out of ideas when they have the villain be a supervillain who was there and running the show the whole time behind the scenes (and all because he personally knew Bond's dad... what?? that's some dumb pulled-from-the-ass plotting right there). and it also diminishes the villains in the three preceding films as standalone characters and villains... yes even Matthieu Amalric in Quantum who is a better Bond villain then he's given credit for. I like Mikkelsen's Le Chiffre a lot more as an enterprising accountant over his head than a pawn of this Blofeld guy with his daddy issues. Ugh, no thank you. Spectre is absolutely the worst in my eyes. They tried to turn all of Craig Bond films as a whole "Bond universe". Something like Bond phase 1, or something like that. So they had Blofeld orchestrate all (or most) of the events shown in the previous films. That's not necessarily bad. After all, Blofeld is the mastermind of Spectre, which was always the organization MI6 was fighting. The part with Bond's dad, I didn't remember. For a reason... Anyway, we disagree on that. Imo QoS is one the worst Bond films I've seen in my life. Spectre was bad but not awful I think. Around 5.5/10 for me. Quantum is a pointless film. It's ugly looking (minus Olga Kurylenko and Gemma Arterton) and the action is terrible. I didn't like Spectre but it at least had great set pieces and cinematography.
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Post by TerryMontana on Dec 5, 2019 7:13:50 GMT
They tried to turn all of Craig Bond films as a whole "Bond universe". Something like Bond phase 1, or something like that. So they had Blofeld orchestrate all (or most) of the events shown in the previous films. That's not necessarily bad. After all, Blofeld is the mastermind of Spectre, which was always the organization MI6 was fighting. The part with Bond's dad, I didn't remember. For a reason... Anyway, we disagree on that. Imo QoS is one the worst Bond films I've seen in my life. Spectre was bad but not awful I think. Around 5.5/10 for me. Quantum is a pointless film. It's ugly looking (minus Olga Kurylenko and Gemma Arterton) and the action is terrible. I didn't like Spectre but it at least had great set pieces and cinematography. Totally agree!
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Post by agent69 on Dec 8, 2019 13:16:22 GMT
Why the hell would you want to directly link Bond 25 to Spectre/Austin Powers disaster of all things? The trailer didn't help in dispeling any of my worries. Quite the opposite.
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Dec 9, 2019 0:31:41 GMT
They tried to turn all of Craig Bond films as a whole "Bond universe". Something like Bond phase 1, or something like that. So they had Blofeld orchestrate all (or most) of the events shown in the previous films. That's not necessarily bad. After all, Blofeld is the mastermind of Spectre, which was always the organization MI6 was fighting. The part with Bond's dad, I didn't remember. For a reason... Anyway, we disagree on that. Imo QoS is one the worst Bond films I've seen in my life. Spectre was bad but not awful I think. Around 5.5/10 for me. Quantum is a pointless film. It's ugly looking (minus Olga Kurylenko and Gemma Arterton) and the action is terrible. I didn't like Spectre but it at least had great set pieces and cinematography. and a FULL HOUR more of screentime. The action pieces were great but the terrible plotting and runtime made it honest to god the most excruciating action film I've seen (and I was checked out entirely before the big climax in London). At least Quantum is a relatively tight 106 minutes and attempted to be a (somewhat) standalone Bond action film with new characters/villains instead of just bastardizing the canon completely, and it had a wonderfully skeezy Mathieu Amalric instead of bored supervillain Christoph Waltz on an off day. And yeah, it was pointless, but it's pointlessness is exactly what made it less damaging, because unlike Spectre it doesn't attempt to reshape the franchise's entire narrative. At worst Quantum can only ever be a disappointing and forgettable follow-up, but Spectre casts a much longer shadow over the franchise, and Blofeld showing up in this new movie is evidence of that.
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Post by Pavan on Dec 9, 2019 6:02:50 GMT
Quantum is a pointless film. It's ugly looking (minus Olga Kurylenko and Gemma Arterton) and the action is terrible. I didn't like Spectre but it at least had great set pieces and cinematography. and a FULL HOUR more of screentime. The action pieces were great but the terrible plotting and runtime made it honest to god the most excruciating action film I've seen (and I was checked out entirely before the big climax in London). At least Quantum is a relatively tight 106 minutes and attempted to be a (somewhat) standalone Bond action film with new characters/villains instead of just bastardizing the canon completely, and it had a wonderfully skeezy Mathieu Amalric instead of bored supervillain Christoph Waltz on an off day. And yeah, it was pointless, but it's pointlessness is exactly what made it less damaging, because unlike Spectre it doesn't attempt to reshape the franchise's entire narrative. At worst Quantum can only ever be a disappointing and forgettable follow-up, but Spectre casts a much longer shadow over the franchise, and Blofeld showing up in this new movie is evidence of that. Yeah it did but i'll take a film that at least tried something than a pointless film any day. This is the thing i'm more concerned with. Will see what Fukunaga and his team did.
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Post by Lubezki on Jan 7, 2020 4:11:53 GMT
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Post by Pavan on Jan 7, 2020 7:28:31 GMT
I thought he was busy with Dune and WW 1984 and hence he couldn't do Tenet? Looks like that's not the case.
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Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Jan 7, 2020 21:11:00 GMT
I love a lot of Zimmer's recent stuff, but I don't think he's a good fit for Bond. Maybe this will be a good challenge for him, and I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by JangoB on Jan 14, 2020 16:20:58 GMT
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Post by The-Havok on Jan 14, 2020 16:29:13 GMT
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