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Post by forksforest on Oct 13, 2017 19:52:48 GMT
Hmm, let's see. -Don't get the hype with Kid A. I've tried to listen to that album various times, and it takes me a LOT of perseverance to get through it. In Rainbows is where it's at. -Carly Rae Jepson > Britney. ya. but neither of them are great live. -Selena Gomez is the worst artist/singer out there. -what's the issue with Genesis? Or Phil Collins?? -Pearl Jam > Nirvana -Eddie Vedders' vocals only Cornell's vocals came close, in the grunge scene. -i'll echo the whole 'i don't like the Arctic Monkeys' -sometimes, i'll really want to listen to Bob Dylan but i just won't be able to handle his scratchy voice for the entire duration of the song -Fleetwood Mac > The Beatles lol -Bieber gets too much crap. He has talent. -Celine Dion > Whitney [both are powerhouses, but Celine live is just, otherworldly] -Justin Timberlake has never made good music -the Beyonce hype -TLC > Destiny's Child
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Post by notacrook on Oct 25, 2017 9:50:31 GMT
Probably only unpopular with music snobs, but both Lorde and Lana Del Rey are fantastic and probably the best current examples of that genre of music.
Also, Tom Waits is absolutely awful except for one or two songs.
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Oct 25, 2017 12:38:37 GMT
Musical opinions are probably the least valuable of opinions given on any of the arts.
'My Heat Will Go On' is definitely one of the worst songs of all time.
Based on what I've heard of their music, Mariah Carey and Celine Dion are two of the worst, successful vocal performers in music history.
Michael Jackson, if you take dancing out of his repertoire, was distinctly average.
Bohemian Rhapsody, brilliant as it is, probably isn't even a Top 5 Queen song.
I've let farts that are more pleasing to the ear than the majority of Coldplay music.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Oct 25, 2017 13:20:02 GMT
Oh, and as is an unpopular opinion in this thread: RADIOHEAD IS THE BEST FUCKING BAND OF ALL-TIME. THEY CHANGE THEIR SOUND WITH EVERY FUCKING ALBUM AND THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY AMONG THE BEST I'VE EVER HEARD. THERE ARE VERY FEW BORING TRACKS AMONG THEIR DISCOGRAPHY. MOSTLY EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE IS INCREDIBLE, ABSOLUTELY DYNAMIC MUSIC THAT I NEVER TIRE LISTENING TO. THOM YORKE'S VOICE IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS IN LIFE THAT HAS MADE ME CONSIDER THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. JONNY GREENWOOD IS ONE OF THE BEST MUSICIANS ALIVE. THEY ALL ARE. FUCK ALL OF YOU. You sound exactly like me in high school, word-for-word! I don't say that to insult you- quite the contrary because I still love Radiohead. But I remember that is how they made me feel in the early 2000s. As I've gotten older, my praise has become not as effusive, but my love and appreciation remain. Also, here is an unpopular Radiohead opinion: Hail to the Thief is one of their great albums. It's so underrated and I think the band members themselves don't rate it very highly, but I love that sense of paranoia I get mixed with tracks that sounded like beautiful hymns. A Wolf at the Door, 2+2=5, and Sail to the Moon are gems. When that album came out in 2003, I played it nonstop- well, when I wasn't playing The White Stripe's Elephant and Cat Power's You Are Free.
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Post by countjohn on Oct 25, 2017 23:14:46 GMT
Oh, and as is an unpopular opinion in this thread: RADIOHEAD IS THE BEST FUCKING BAND OF ALL-TIME. THEY CHANGE THEIR SOUND WITH EVERY FUCKING ALBUM AND THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY AMONG THE BEST I'VE EVER HEARD. THERE ARE VERY FEW BORING TRACKS AMONG THEIR DISCOGRAPHY. MOSTLY EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE IS INCREDIBLE, ABSOLUTELY DYNAMIC MUSIC THAT I NEVER TIRE LISTENING TO. THOM YORKE'S VOICE IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS IN LIFE THAT HAS MADE ME CONSIDER THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. JONNY GREENWOOD IS ONE OF THE BEST MUSICIANS ALIVE. THEY ALL ARE. FUCK ALL OF YOU. You sound exactly like me in high school, word-for-word! I don't say that to insult you- quite the contrary because I still love Radiohead. But I remember that is how they made me feel in the early 2000s. As I've gotten older, my praise has become not as effusive, but my love and appreciation remain. Also, here is an unpopular Radiohead opinion: Hail to the Thief is one of their great albums. It's so underrated and I think the band members themselves don't rate it very highly, but I love that sense of paranoia I get mixed with tracks that sounded like beautiful hymns. A Wolf at the Door, 2+2=5, and Sail to the Moon are gems. When that album came out in 2003, I played it nonstop- well, when I wasn't playing The White Stripe's Elephant and Cat Power's You Are Free. Agree on Hail to the Thief, probably my third or fourth favorite from them.
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Post by morton on Nov 11, 2017 18:42:12 GMT
Hmm, let's see. -Don't get the hype with Kid A. I've tried to listen to that album various times, and it takes me a LOT of perseverance to get through it. In Rainbows is where it's at. -Carly Rae Jepson > Britney. ya. but neither of them are great live. -Selena Gomez is the worst artist/singer out there. -what's the issue with Genesis? Or Phil Collins?? -Pearl Jam > Nirvana -Eddie Vedders' vocals only Cornell's vocals came close, in the grunge scene. -i'll echo the whole 'i don't like the Arctic Monkeys' -sometimes, i'll really want to listen to Bob Dylan but i just won't be able to handle his scratchy voice for the entire duration of the song -Fleetwood Mac > The Beatles lol -Bieber gets too much crap. He has talent. -Celine Dion > Whitney [both are powerhouses, but Celine live is just, otherworldly] -Justin Timberlake has never made good music -the Beyonce hype -TLC > Destiny's Child I don't agree about everything, but I do find Britney overrated. I do find her songs a guilty pleasure, but I've always believed that she was a producer creation. Never understood why her fans thought she was some kind of genius, but then I felt it wasn't worth arguing about once she went off the rails because I feel sorry for her that she'll always have to have a guardian in her life. I so would have agreed with you on Pearl Jam and Eddie Vedder back in the day, but after Binaural, I wasn't really interested in their music anymore. Someday I should go and listen to their albums post-Binaural to see if I'm in a different frame of mind now. I'm not sure what you mean by the issue with Phil Collins and Genesis. Is it because they get made fun of sometimes in movies and television and whatnot? I can understand because even though I enjoy their latter more adult contemporary output, I can see how other fans wouldn't, and make fun of Collins and Genesis for their softer sound. This may be an unpopular opinion, but I actually enjoy "You'll Be in My Heart Now". Did it deserve to win the Oscar? No, but now I don't think it was that big of an injustice now. It's a good song, and out of the other nominees, now I only prefer "When She Loved Me" to it. I think that there are better songs from South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut that should have been nominated and won, but weren't. Also while "Save Me" is a good song too, I am able to relisten to "You'll Be in My Heart" more. I don't know if that technically makes it the better song, but to me it does. Musical opinions are probably the least valuable of opinions given on any of the arts. 'My Heat Will Go On' is definitely one of the worst songs of all time. Based on what I've heard of their music, Mariah Carey and Celine Dion are two of the worst, successful vocal performers in music history. Michael Jackson, if you take dancing out of his repertoire, was distinctly average. Bohemian Rhapsody, brilliant as it is, probably isn't even a Top 5 Queen song. I've let farts that are more pleasing to the ear than the majority of Coldplay music. Like with forksforest's opinions, I don't agree with all of these, but I feel similarly about Michael Jackson. I won't deny the influence that he had and how that opened the doors for other black artists, but as I stated in another thread, I feel he was overrated while little sister Janet was underrated. I agree about Coldplay too. I mean they're okay for elevator music or music that my dentist plays, but I've never been a big fan, and while I'm not totally in love with everything U2 has done, I can't believe that Coldplay is actually compared to them as if they could ever be as cool as U2. Mmm, "Bohemian Rhapsody" is a tough call. I do prefer other Queen songs, but it's hard to deny its cultural impact. I mean just the other night, I was driving home from school when it came on the radio, and my mind immediately went to that iconic scene in Wayne's World.
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Post by pacinoyes on Nov 12, 2017 21:02:31 GMT
Here's one I think is pretty unpopular and almost something to be mocked - the compilation album, which sort of doesn't even exist any more - you can download whatever songs you want and make your own after all - is one of the great casualties of download culture and it's resulted in a lesser music appreciation across the board. You would think that wouldn't be the case - that we could do that job better than a record company at that - but not really.
Those kind of albums used to serve as a gateway to a band with songs picked for you as if the record company was building a case for their artist - you maybe didn't know the band or how songs played off each other and by digesting that say 10 or 12 track "best of" or "greatest hits" you could possibly gain an appreciation and context to make you explore further .............nowadays you could probably use that context but artists are written off after a track or two ..........we've moved on to the next one.........
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Post by morton on Nov 12, 2017 23:03:34 GMT
Here's one I think is pretty unpopular and almost something to be mocked - the compilation album, which sort of doesn't even exist any more - you can download whatever songs you want and make your own after all - is one of the great casualties of download culture and it's resulted in a lesser music appreciation across the board. You would think that wouldn't be the case - that we could do that job better than a record company at that - but not really. Those kind of albums used to serve as a gateway to a band with songs picked for you as if the record company was building a case for their artist - you maybe didn't know the band or how songs played off each other and by digesting that say 10 or 12 track "best of" or "greatest hits" you could possibly gain an appreciation and context to make you explore further .............nowadays you could probably use that context but artists are written off after a track or two ..........we've moved on to the next one......... I miss physical media. I mean it's great that you can listen to almost an endless amount of songs on streaming services, or watch whatever on YouTube for free, but I miss being able to have the album/tape/disc in my hand and looking at the art and sometimes lyrics that would come with it. I agree because I would buy so many greatest hits or compilation albums, and one of the reasons that I liked them was that it gave me a good starting off point. Nowadays I see people online raving about an album, and I try to listen to the songs that they recommend, but most of the time I just can't get into it. Then, I'm like "why were people raving about this"?!? Of course, just because it was a hit for an artist or band doesn't make it a great song either, but I do think it's a nice sampler. I might not like a few songs, but if I like a majority of the songs on a compilation album, I'll go check out more from the artist. On the other hand, when I listen to a song that someone has raved about, and it doesn't immediately hook me, I'm probably not going to care to listen to the rest of that particular album. Also, I could be completely wrong, but it seems like interest stops for a lot of people now at just those greatest hits. Like when an artist dies, you'll see they'll get a bump on iTunes and what not, but it's only their most famous songs. I mean it makes sense, but I get the feeling that young people stop at just those greatest hits and don't really dive in to the artist's other recordings.
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Post by Joaquim on Nov 14, 2017 5:46:37 GMT
Revolution 9 is a masterpiece.
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 17, 2017 2:15:29 GMT
young thug is like a top 3 artist of the 2010s
radiohead is coma inducing
pink floyd, due in part to just how much of their stuff i've heard, might honestly be my least favorite band
i'm still not fully convinced that the CRJ hype isn't a meme. i get down with feminine pop music for sure, but i have no idea what people see in this woman
Going Places by yellow swans is everything music is about
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Post by clunkybob2 on Nov 18, 2017 17:16:34 GMT
Free X
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Post by Film Socialism on Nov 20, 2017 2:03:09 GMT
free x
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Post by Joaquim on Nov 22, 2017 3:46:08 GMT
Animals > Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here
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Post by TheAlwaysClassy on Nov 22, 2017 4:06:15 GMT
Yeezus is Kanye's best album by far, and it's like an 8/10 at best.
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Post by countjohn on Dec 13, 2017 22:49:33 GMT
Yeezus is Kanye's best album by far, and it's like an 8/10 at best. Agree with this except for the "by far". I like MBDTF about the same. Not really into hip-hop that much, so I'm not the right one to ask, though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 23:17:10 GMT
I'm not that into music
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Post by Johnny_Hellzapoppin on Feb 15, 2018 13:21:34 GMT
Hole, "Live Through This" is a better album than any of the ones released by Nirvana.
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Post by Archie on Feb 24, 2018 19:09:21 GMT
I'll one-up you. Creep is Radiohead's only good song. this is the worst opinion of all time
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 21:42:08 GMT
Oh, and as is an unpopular opinion in this thread: RADIOHEAD IS THE BEST FUCKING BAND OF ALL-TIME. THEY CHANGE THEIR SOUND WITH EVERY FUCKING ALBUM AND THEY'RE ALL BASICALLY AMONG THE BEST I'VE EVER HEARD. THERE ARE VERY FEW BORING TRACKS AMONG THEIR DISCOGRAPHY. MOSTLY EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE IS INCREDIBLE, ABSOLUTELY DYNAMIC MUSIC THAT I NEVER TIRE LISTENING TO. THOM YORKE'S VOICE IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS IN LIFE THAT HAS MADE ME CONSIDER THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. JONNY GREENWOOD IS ONE OF THE BEST MUSICIANS ALIVE. THEY ALL ARE. FUCK ALL OF YOU. Just read this, lol'd hard. The Bob Dylan hate in this thread is horrifying. Some more: - Illmatic is not even a top three rap album of '94. - The Strokes are still far better than any of the groups they influenced. - The 1975 have put out some really good songs. Even their new one isn't bad. I don't know why this group gets teased so much, they come off as pretty genuine and I like their sound.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 0:43:13 GMT
UK Punk >>>> US Punk
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Post by Joaquim on Jun 3, 2018 0:45:35 GMT
This isn't really an unpopular opinion.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 3, 2018 15:01:14 GMT
I have one. When you examine Kanye West, he's really not a great artist. Okay, he's great at one thing: sampling good soul songs for hip hop. He talks himself up as the greatest artist of all time, but last time I checked, there was someone named Prince and someone exists called Steve Wonder. Kanye can not sing, dance, play an instrument, read music, and he's not a great rapper. He needs a whole team of people to write his rhymes. So what does he do that makes him such a great artist? The only area of greatness I see is in his production. He particularly has a good ear for sampling great soul music, and that's where his talent lies, if you ask me. But it's something many producers like Just Blaze and RZA of the Wu Tang Clan are great at too. And RZA is a much better rapper than Kanye.
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Post by pacinoyes on Jun 3, 2018 16:09:52 GMT
I have one. When you examine Kanye West, he's really not a great artist. Okay, he's great at one thing: sampling good soul songs for hip hop. He talks himself up as the greatest artist of all time, but last time I checked, there was someone named Prince and someone exists called Steve Wonder. Kanye can not sing, dance, play an instrument, read music, and he's not a great rapper. He needs a whole team of people to write his rhymes. So what does he do that makes him such a great artist? The only area of greatness I see is in his production. He particularly has a good ear for sampling great soul music, and that's where his talent lies, if you ask me. But it's something many producers like Just Blaze and RZA of the Wu Tang Clan are great at too. And RZA is a much better rapper than Kanye. This is an interesting one that I have some general thoughts on, though nothing you said was incorrect: Really, this is a guy who has at least 4 or 5 great records (at least?) and basically as perfect a catalog as anyone in the history of the genre. Like in the style of music, he would pale next to Wonder and Prince but - is any of that important either? I'm not so sure it is - he's using artist in the same way as a pop artist I think - i.e. he's major with sales and no one else can sell as much and has that artistic a catalog too. Like I don't think he looks at it more deeply than that.......and when he starts not selling........well, he'll be the Velvet Underground of Hip Hop or something. His sales enhanced everything else about him and those claims he makes - I sell a lot and I don't have to pander to do it etc. This in some ways gets back into the Bob Dylan argument and what makes an artist - before Bob Dylan no one had to write songs. If you did great, but you didn't have to.........Sinatra didn't, Elvis didn't, it was only after Dylan in the widest sense that the guy who wrote those songs had to sing them really. (Not that he was the first but he was crossed genres and he was obviously a not for all tastes singer - at first "covers" of Dylan songs were common or even preferable.......... until people basically demanded that he had to be heard singing those songs and if you disliked it because of his voice, well you were wrong. That's why he's crucial, he changed that whole way of thinking.) Kanye's great asset is in linking what he writes with what he puts out as himself - you almost can tell his lines specifically too. One of his greatest songs, New Slaves is a sort of a Kanye's greatest hits of individual lines that you can't imagine anyone else writing. The songs point is his point too or what you clearly recognize as "his". In general most rappers in his era seem anonymous in that larger sense or you have to look much harder at them to find what they represent at all. His production is his great gift I agree and it's weird and weirdly his and to me his use of Rock is what separates him - I always bring up The Takeover but the the use of The Doors Five To 1 and it's huge, cavernous sound really changed a lot. He is also insanely sharp on Rock and Roll in general - you know Power using 21st Century Schizoid Man, the way he discusses Punk Rock and uses much of the same principles of outrage of it. To me, if you really want an example of what he's like as an artist its by wearing the T-shirt of The Pop Group "She is Beyond Good and Evil" in the midst of his Taylor Swift stuff - how obscure and cultish and record store geeky is that?.......thats his genius .......I mean he's even sampling his own T-shirts
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Post by mikediastavrone96 on Jun 3, 2018 16:09:53 GMT
I straight-up hate Pearl Jam.
Aside from "Paint It Black," I've never cared for The Rolling Stones.
"Wonderwall" is one of the most overrated songs ever.
Paul Simon's solo career is pretty awful.
By sheer musicianship, Paul McCartney was very easily the best member of The Beatles and during their tenure he was the superior songwriter of the Lennon-McCartney duo.
I'm not sure I'd go so far to say New Order is flat-out better than Joy Division, but it's certainly close.
I like some Arctic Monkeys, but AM is a really dull, uninspired album.
Even by top 40 pop standards, Taylor Swift is terrible aside from "Blank Space," the one time she teases a self-aware, sardonic streak.
There's nothing wrong with auto-tune as an instrument. It can be overused or executed terribly like anything else, but you can't tell me it really adds something when Kanye West or Bon Iver use it.
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Jun 3, 2018 17:13:23 GMT
I have one. When you examine Kanye West, he's really not a great artist. Okay, he's great at one thing: sampling good soul songs for hip hop. He talks himself up as the greatest artist of all time, but last time I checked, there was someone named Prince and someone exists called Steve Wonder. Kanye can not sing, dance, play an instrument, read music, and he's not a great rapper. He needs a whole team of people to write his rhymes. So what does he do that makes him such a great artist? The only area of greatness I see is in his production. He particularly has a good ear for sampling great soul music, and that's where his talent lies, if you ask me. But it's something many producers like Just Blaze and RZA of the Wu Tang Clan are great at too. And RZA is a much better rapper than Kanye. This is an interesting one that I have some general thoughts on, though nothing you said was incorrect: Really, this is a guy who has at least 4 or 5 great records (at least?) and basically as perfect a catalog as anyone in the history of the genre. Like in the style of music, he would pale next to Wonder and Prince but - is any of that important either? I'm not so sure it is - he's using artist in the same way as a pop artist I think - i.e. he's major with sales and no one else can sell as much and has that artistic a catalog too. Like I don't think he looks at it more deeply than that.......and when he starts not selling........well, he'll be the Velvet Underground of Hip Hop or something. His sales enhanced everything else about him and those claims he makes - I sell a lot and I don't have to pander to do it etc. This in some ways gets back into the Bob Dylan argument and what makes an artist - before Bob Dylan no one had to write songs. If you did great, but you didn't have to.........Sinatra didn't, Elvis didn't, it was only after Dylan in the widest sense that the guy who wrote those songs had to sing them really. (Not that he was the first but he was crossed genres and he was obviously a not for all tastes singer - at first "covers" of Dylan songs were common or even preferable.......... until people basically demanded that he had to be heard singing those songs and if you disliked it because of his voice, well you were wrong. That's why he's crucial, he changed that whole way of thinking.) Kanye's great asset is in linking what he writes with what he puts out as himself - you almost can tell his lines specifically too. One of his greatest songs, New Slaves is a sort of a Kanye's greatest hits of individual lines that you can't imagine anyone else writing. The songs point is his point too or what you clearly recognize as "his". In general most rappers in his era seem anonymous in that larger sense or you have to look much harder at them to find what they represent at all. His production is his great gift I agree and it's weird and weirdly his and to me his use of Rock is what separates him - I always bring up The Takeover but the the use of The Doors Five To 1 and it's huge, cavernous sound really changed a lot. He is also insanely sharp on Rock and Roll in general - you know Power using 21st Century Schizoid Man, the way he discusses Punk Rock and uses much of the same principles of outrage of it. To me, if you really want an example of what he's like as an artist its by wearing the T-shirt of The Pop Group "She is Beyond Good and Evil" in the midst of his Taylor Swift stuff - how obscure and cultish and record store geeky is that?.......thats his genius .......I mean he's even sampling his own T-shirts I can respect what you're saying. Me personally, I don't like every single thing Kanye's done, but the man can put a great-sounding album together. However, I put that down mostly to his impeccable production and sampling of good songs. He needs a lot of help to write his lyrics and I don't care for them anyway. I was listening to Dreams by the Game, which is a song produced by Kanye. You can't help but love that song, but it's because Kanye used a great soul sample that sounded exquisite over the hip hop beat. If Kanye had put that on his own album, it would be hailed as a work of genius. I think that's a good example of what he's able to do as an artist. It's all in the production. So I'm not denying the man is talented, but I don't know if I can rank him with the greatest artists of all time based on his skill at sampling which many other producers share. But that's me and I don't expect most people to feel the same. I just don't buy into the hype he has created for himself as THE greatest. But I have a high standard for that.
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