|
|
Post by pacinoyes on Apr 11, 2024 19:39:45 GMT
The Unnecessary Sequel to a Best Actor Oscar or the Unnecessary Sequel to a BP Oscar? Um....what .........not funny? Also btw Gladiator 2 sounds a lot like Fantastic Beasts all of a sudden .......   |
|
|
|
Post by Martin Stett on Apr 11, 2024 19:41:15 GMT
The sequel to the good movie. The one set in a society.
|
|
|
|
Post by urbanpatrician on Apr 11, 2024 19:49:24 GMT
Gladiator 2 appears at least fun, but seems more like a CGI oriented blockbuster.
I dont care for Joker at all. Except Gaga is gonna win mid year, then Ronans gonna take her thunder and Amy might swoop in and take it all.
|
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 11, 2024 19:56:59 GMT
A lot of joyless motherfuckers around here.
I'm very excited for both.
|
|
Archie
Based
Eraserhead son or Inland Empire daughter?
Posts: 3,671 
Likes: 4,366
|
Post by Archie on Apr 11, 2024 20:11:27 GMT
Both will be Napoleon tier.
|
|
Nikan
Based
Posts: 3,191
Likes: 1,586
|
Post by Nikan on Apr 11, 2024 20:15:05 GMT
We should wait for G2 trailer to say; but I don't think it'll make much difference for me. The : ) .
|
|
|
|
Post by JangoB on Apr 11, 2024 20:52:25 GMT
GladIIator, of course.
|
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Apr 12, 2024 4:07:22 GMT
Both will be Napoleon tier. So they'll be awesome? |
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Apr 12, 2024 4:07:54 GMT
I'm looking forward to Joker more and I think that's the case for most people since the iron is hotter.
|
|
Nikan
Based
Posts: 3,191
Likes: 1,586
|
Post by Nikan on Apr 12, 2024 11:20:42 GMT
I'm looking forward to Joker more and I think that's the case for most people since the iron is hotter. I will never get tired of you not missing a chance to sneer at the first movie. |
|
|
|
Post by wallsofjericho on Apr 12, 2024 11:25:34 GMT
Gladiator II for sure.
|
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Apr 12, 2024 16:31:26 GMT
I'm looking forward to Joker more and I think that's the case for most people since the iron is hotter. I will never get tired of you not missing a chance to sneer at the first movie. I actually did like the first one reasonably well, I just enjoy the "we live in a society" meme. |
|
Nikan
Based
Posts: 3,191
Likes: 1,586
|
Post by Nikan on Apr 12, 2024 17:07:27 GMT
I will never get tired of you not missing a chance to sneer at the first movie. I actually did like the first one reasonably well, I just enjoy the "we live in a society" meme. Ah, just lost part of its amusement then. |
|
dazed
Based
Posts: 2,631
Likes: 1,796
|
Post by dazed on Apr 12, 2024 17:33:40 GMT
i’ll see both but i’m looking more forward to gladiator 2 since i liked its predecessor more out of the two. i wasn’t really looking forward to joker 2 since i thought the first one was just okay but that trailer was pretty damn great. at the very least it should provide some eye candy visuals. also can’t wait to see what guðnadóttir does too with all those song renditions. her being at the helm for the music gives me solid confidence in the musical capabilities of it.
gladiator 2 sounds batshit crazy and it should also be beautiful on a technical level. the acting will likely be top tier too.
the scripts for each of the movies is what i’m most worried about.
|
|
|
|
Post by stabcaesar on Apr 12, 2024 17:56:16 GMT
Neither. I just don't see either being very good.
|
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Apr 12, 2024 18:03:03 GMT
I actually did like the first one reasonably well, I just enjoy the "we live in a society" meme. Ah, just lost part of its amusement then. Kind of like life when you find out you live in a society. |
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 12, 2024 18:08:48 GMT
Folie à deux since the musical element makes it a more unpredictable and therefore exciting prospect for me. Plus, I'm all in on Gaga as Harley.
Still excited for Gladiator II, though.
|
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 12, 2024 20:37:44 GMT
Gladiator II because it’s a sequel to an actual good movie, and Ridley Scott is still capable of delivering.
I’m definitely curious about Folie à deux because of the musical element and Gaga, and I think there’s a chance I might like it more than the first one... but the way Phoenix’s character is written and played in the first movie didn’t really convince me that I’m watching Joker-the-Batman-villain rather than just a delusional, broken sad sack.
|
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 20:42:32 GMT
Gladiator II because it’s a sequel to an actual good movie, and Ridley Scott is still capable of delivering. I’m definitely curious about Folie à deux because of the musical element and Gaga, and I think there’s a chance I might like it more than the first one... but the way Phoenix’s character is written and played in the first movie didn’t really convince me that I’m watching Joker-the-Batman-villain rather than just a delusional, broken sad sack. I reconcile it by the fact that he's not playing Joker the Batman villain. He's simply playing the guy who inspired the concept of the Joker in Gotham City. As we see in the climax of Joker and in the trailer for Folie à Deux, there are multiple Jokers. I think there's a very good chance that Arthur Fleck never encounters Bruce Wayne as an adult and is basically a forgotten relic in the depths of Arkham by the time Bruce becomes Batman (if he's not dead before then). |
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 12, 2024 21:01:51 GMT
Gladiator II because it’s a sequel to an actual good movie, and Ridley Scott is still capable of delivering. I’m definitely curious about Folie à deux because of the musical element and Gaga, and I think there’s a chance I might like it more than the first one... but the way Phoenix’s character is written and played in the first movie didn’t really convince me that I’m watching Joker-the-Batman-villain rather than just a delusional, broken sad sack. I reconcile it by the fact that he's not playing Joker the Batman villain. He's simply playing the guy who inspired the concept of the Joker in Gotham City. As we see in the climax of Joker and in the trailer for Folie à Deux, there are multiple Jokers. I think there's a very good chance that Arthur Fleck never encounters Bruce Wayne as an adult and is basically a forgotten relic in the depths of Arkham by the time Bruce becomes Batman (if he's not dead before then). I've entertained that theory (see the "Partial Great performance" thread), but the fact that the sequel features Gaga as Harley Quinn pretty much nullifies that idea for me, unless we're supposed to believe that she's also playing someone who inspired Batman's Joker's Harley Quinn  , which stretches the theory too much for me considering they have the same original name (Harleen Frances Quinzel) and how similar the backstory of Gaga's Harley is to the one that's "canon." |
|
|
|
Post by stephen on Apr 12, 2024 21:04:48 GMT
I reconcile it by the fact that he's not playing Joker the Batman villain. He's simply playing the guy who inspired the concept of the Joker in Gotham City. As we see in the climax of Joker and in the trailer for Folie à Deux, there are multiple Jokers. I think there's a very good chance that Arthur Fleck never encounters Bruce Wayne as an adult and is basically a forgotten relic in the depths of Arkham by the time Bruce becomes Batman (if he's not dead before then). I've entertained that theory (see the "Partial Great performance" thread), but the fact that the sequel features Gaga as Harley Quinn pretty much nullifies that idea for me, unless we're supposed to believe that she's also playing someone who inspired Batman's Joker's Harley Quinn , which stretches the theory too much for me considering they have the same original name (Harleen Frances Quinzel) and how similar the backstory of Gaga's Harley is to the one that's "canon." I still think the idea that someone's actually named "Harleen Quinzel" is one of the stupidest things in the Batman universe. Like, come the fuck on. But I do think it makes sense if this Harley also inspires future Harley impersonators as well, and would make a great meta commentary on how certain fans look at Joker/Harley's relationship as anything other than a toxic cesspool and try to emulate it in life. |
|
tep
Full Member
formerly known as Ban
Posts: 577
Likes: 149
|
Post by tep on Apr 12, 2024 21:14:45 GMT
Moderately excited for both, slight edge to Joker. Both would be pretty far down on a list of my most anticipated of the year though.
|
|
|
|
Post by countjohn on Apr 12, 2024 21:28:42 GMT
I reconcile it by the fact that he's not playing Joker the Batman villain. He's simply playing the guy who inspired the concept of the Joker in Gotham City. As we see in the climax of Joker and in the trailer for Folie à Deux, there are multiple Jokers. I think there's a very good chance that Arthur Fleck never encounters Bruce Wayne as an adult and is basically a forgotten relic in the depths of Arkham by the time Bruce becomes Batman (if he's not dead before then). I've entertained that theory (see the "Partial Great performance" thread), but the fact that the sequel features Gaga as Harley Quinn pretty much nullifies that idea for me, unless we're supposed to believe that she's also playing someone who inspired Batman's Joker's Harley Quinn , which stretches the theory too much for me considering they have the same original name (Harleen Frances Quinzel) and how similar the backstory of Gaga's Harley is to the one that's "canon." Could just be that the "real" Joker in this universe doesn't have a Harley just like Ledger or Jack didn't. Or for decades in the comic books, isn't she a relatively recent addition like in the 90's? |
|
|
|
Post by The_Cake_of_Roth on Apr 12, 2024 21:54:02 GMT
I've entertained that theory (see the "Partial Great performance" thread), but the fact that the sequel features Gaga as Harley Quinn pretty much nullifies that idea for me, unless we're supposed to believe that she's also playing someone who inspired Batman's Joker's Harley Quinn , which stretches the theory too much for me considering they have the same original name (Harleen Frances Quinzel) and how similar the backstory of Gaga's Harley is to the one that's "canon." Could just be that the "real" Joker in this universe doesn't have a Harley just like Ledger or Jack didn't. Or for decades in the comic books, isn't she a relatively recent addition like in the 90's? She actually first appeared in the Batman animated series from the 90s. I suppose you could say that the Batman Joker in this universe might not have a Harley... but it just seems dumb to have Harley only exist for Phoenix’s Joker, and still have a very similar backstory as the Batman-Joker Harley, but not actually be present in Batman-Joker’s world. Basically all this just feels like twisting into pretzels in order to make sense of how poorly written Phoenix’s Joker is – like maybe the filmmakers are just taking pieces that they like from the Batman mythology and mixing and matching just for the appeal of the iconography even if it’s completely incoherent in terms of how everything fits into the universe. |
|
|
|
Post by mikediastavrone96 on Apr 12, 2024 23:19:55 GMT
Could just be that the "real" Joker in this universe doesn't have a Harley just like Ledger or Jack didn't. Or for decades in the comic books, isn't she a relatively recent addition like in the 90's? She actually first appeared in the Batman animated series from the 90s. I suppose you could say that the Batman Joker in this universe might not have a Harley... but it just seems dumb to have Harley only exist for Phoenix’s Joker, and still have a very similar backstory as the Batman-Joker Harley, but not actually be present in Batman-Joker’s world. Basically all this just feels like twisting into pretzels in order to make sense of how poorly written Phoenix’s Joker is – like maybe the filmmakers are just taking pieces that they like from the Batman mythology and mixing and matching just for the appeal of the iconography even if it’s completely incoherent in terms of how everything fits into the universe. To me, it's only incoherent if we presume that the Bruce Wayne in this universe must become Batman and Batman must fight a Joker. Which is just audience expectation, there's nothing in the universe of Joker that suggests it has to go that way. Seems pretty clear to me that Phillips isn't really interested in making something to fit into a traditional Batman universe (and given the way he shoehorned in the origin at the end of Joker, he really shouldn't) and instead wants to use the character of the Joker to do a pastiche of some of his favorite films since, well, studios won't give him the budget for the comedies anymore and his one attempt to branch out with War Dogs underperformed. One could argue there's some cynicism in a filmmaker leveraging a property to do something entirely different, but then again it's cynical enough for a studio to leverage a property to make assembly line filler so at least in this way there's a bit of inspiration to it. |
|
, which stretches the theory too much for me considering they have the same original name (Harleen Frances Quinzel) and how similar the backstory of Gaga's Harley is to the one that's "canon."
