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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 29, 2024 19:05:45 GMT
the cozier (maybe?) inverse to Nikan's thread  what are some classics that may be well-regarded or have a large number of devotees that nevertheless you feel deserve to be talked about more. Can be underseen, underrated or just under-talked about -- all subjective obviously but run away with it. |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 29, 2024 19:06:12 GMT
I'll start with Michael Powell's Peeping Tom which would've been the gutsiest and most provocative movie of 1960 if not for Psycho which totally overshadowed it (and still does). It might as well have been directed by Hitchcock too with its masterful grasp of tension combined with shocking thrills in service to similar commentary on cinema's uneasy connection with voyeurism. One of the greatest horrors of the 60s.  |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 29, 2024 19:10:11 GMT
Promising Young Woman. Carey Mulligan is the highest nominated (3) still very recent actress that nobody here talks about.
And while I'm not a Gilliam guy I remember a time: from Brazil thru 12 Monkeys where he was IMDBs favorite director (at least Top 5). There aren't many Gilliam guys here tho.
Oh and I think The Phantom of Liberty is better than L'Age D'or and Belle de jour which are higher degree classics. And I like Viridiana a lot and it's definitely a classic (the first 30 minutes bests Phantoms first 30), but overall I think Phantom gets lost in the shuffle of the spectrum of Bunuel iconography films ala his 20s classics, his Dali collaborations, and Belle de Jour.
TOMMY Lee Jones as a western contributor. Not as Harrison Fords chaser.... theres another guy better at westerns than Costner.
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 29, 2024 19:14:02 GMT
Ken Russell's The Devils, which is one of the greatest films of the 1970's, but maybe gets overlooked a bit because it's not part of the Hollywood/American New Wave that dominated that decade. I'd argue it contains the best performances of both Oliver Reed and Vanessa Redgrave's careers.
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 29, 2024 19:17:38 GMT
This is mostly because I read the book not long ago but people don’t talk about how great Deliverance is enough.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 29, 2024 19:27:47 GMT
How about a movie starring the GOAT......that he directed (his only one)......with so much symbolic underlying themes it plays like a psychological symbolism test (the Karl Malden character isn't called "Dad" by accident)........it's a beautiful looking, fascinating in drama and Brando takes his most savage beatng........and that was sorta his thing wasn't it? This board jizzing over vanilla white bread "Kevin Costner Westerns" makes me want to vomit all over the place tbh.....am I accusing you of not being men? Yeah I totally am.....  One Eyed-Jacks |
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Post by futuretrunks on Mar 29, 2024 19:42:47 GMT
Tess. It's a masterpiece and arguably Polanski's best film, but doesn't really get talked about much. Some of the most glorious cinematography ever too, like Polanski giving the finger to the inferior Barry Lyndon.
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Post by Nikan on Mar 29, 2024 19:53:51 GMT
I might be talking out of my ass since I saw Peeping Tom ages ago - but I remeber something being very "mechanical" about it... was it the murder scenes? was it the progression of it's plot? the portryal of its protagonist? I don't remember, but I left feeling admiring it (it's very good looking and ahead of its time) and not "warmed up" to it like Hitchcock's sickening empathy towards his killer does it. For my choice, I pick another criminally under-discussed P&P production overshadowed by an American "cherish the life" counterpart in the same year: A Matter of Life and Death. Nothing against Capra's masterpiece... but... I really didn't need to discover this one this bloody late. Check every "best films of all time" - hell, even best of the 40s! - list and you'll see The Bicycle Thieves and Casablanca at the top for the millionth time. What the dang is up worldwide film community?  *Best film I've seen this year... and it's only the end of March but I doubt anything else top it.  |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 29, 2024 19:54:53 GMT
Tess. It's a masterpiece and arguably Polanski's best film, but doesn't really get talked about much. Some of the most glorious cinematography ever too, like Polanski giving the finger to the inferior Barry Lyndon. the cinematography is out of this world, some of the most beautifully pastoral images I've seen.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 29, 2024 20:05:42 GMT
Tess. It's a masterpiece and arguably Polanski's best film, but doesn't really get talked about much. Some of the most glorious cinematography ever too, like Polanski giving the finger to the inferior Barry Lyndon. the cinematography is out of this world, some of the most beautifully pastoral images I've seen. Got smoked in a poll once (link below) but that movie having to change cinematographers after shooting had already started and being so cohesively spectacularly stunning is one of the miracles of the movies really movie-awards-redux.freeforums.net/thread/23496/cinematography-barry-lyndon-tess |
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Post by Tommen_Saperstein on Mar 29, 2024 20:06:01 GMT
How about a movie starring the GOAT......that he directed (his only one)......with so much symbolic underlying themes it plays like a psychological symbolism test (the Karl Malden character isn't called "Dad" by accident)........it's a beautiful looking, fascinating in drama and Brando takes his most savage beatng........and that was sorta his thing wasn't it? This board jizzing over vanilla white bread "Kevin Costner Westerns" makes me want to vomit all over the place tbh.....am I accusing you of not being men? Yeah I totally am..... One Eyed-JacksI don't have super high expectations for the Costner movie (and I really don't like Dances with Wolves) but I can't resist the hype for a massive western epic because those types of movies just don't get made anymore. There's some nostalgia too for sure but tbh any massive risk-taking production that isn't another Disney movie can get me excited lol. btw LOVE One Eyed Jacks. Malden and Brando were at the top of their games and Brando showed a lot of promise as a director. Probably one of my favorite westerns and one of the most beautifully-shot too by Charles Lang. I never forgot Lang's name after watching this one. It's been a treat seeing a lot of his work in the 50s these last couple years but I think Jacks is still my favorite.  |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 29, 2024 20:17:47 GMT
I'd also add Lonely Are The Brave, directed by David Miller, but likely the true auteur behind it was star & producer Kirk Douglas ( for me, the greatest American film actor of the post world war 2 period. His run of films and performances from 1946 to around till around 1964 was remarkable). I feel like this film really set the blueprint for post-modern westerns that would later start to define the genre. Douglas always called it his personal favorite film and performance of his own, and you can see why in the nuanced and sensitive portrayal he gives as a man out of step with time and modern society. Also, First Blood basically remade this film.
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Post by stephen on Mar 29, 2024 20:20:05 GMT
Amadeus.
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Post by Joaquim on Mar 29, 2024 20:21:27 GMT
Ken Russell's The Devils, which is one of the greatest films of the 1970's, but maybe gets overlooked a bit because it's not part of the Hollywood/American New Wave that dominated that decade. I'd argue it contains the best performances of both Oliver Reed and Vanessa Redgrave's careers. I just saw this the other week for the first time and it’s fucking fantastic. Really funny too, wasn’t expecting that out of it I think it gets overlooked because most people probably just assume it’s just another blasphemous horny nun movie but there really is so much more than that going on here. I loved this one |
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Post by sterlingarcher86 on Mar 29, 2024 20:37:14 GMT
I feel like everybody loves Amadeus. |
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Post by stephen on Mar 29, 2024 20:40:05 GMT
I feel like everybody loves Amadeus. But we're not talking about it on an hourly basis, which we should be. |
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Post by finniussnrub on Mar 29, 2024 20:42:34 GMT
I feel like everybody loves Amadeus. But we're not talking about it on an hourly basis, which we should be. Well perhaps if we could get a proper release of the theatrical cut...just sayin...for the millionth time. |
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Post by pupdurcs on Mar 29, 2024 20:44:41 GMT
The Innocents
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 29, 2024 21:20:27 GMT
Well..... Bogart guys rate In a Lonely Place highly, but general fans don't talk about it enough..... e. Sunset Blvd. But I feel Bogart is way stronger than Holden, and Holden is the one in the first degree classic. I guess that's how legends are made, tho. Nobody would care much for In a Lonely Place without Bogart. I think it's a fantastic movie regardless of actors, but I just don't think most people will dig deep into the 50s vault without Bogart giving a classic performance that predates some of the 70s guys with his portrayal of intense rage and anger.
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 29, 2024 21:27:11 GMT
Well..... Bogart guys rate In a Lonely Place highly, but general fans don't talk about it enough..... e. Sunset Blvd. But I feel Bogart is way stronger than Holden, and Holden is the one in the first degree classic. I guess that's how legends are made, tho. Nobody would care much for In a Lonely Place without Bogart. I think it's a fantastic movie regardless of actors, but I just don't think most people will dig deep into the 50s vault without Bogart giving a classic performance that predates some of the 70s guys with Bogart's portrayal of intense rage and anger.
It is an insanely relevant film 70+ year after its release - the entire idea of a "toxic male" is absent prior in the way this film presents it.........it ends in a way that's incredibly sad and easy to misread on both sides.........only Blow Up is a film that I see "what it says" with "how we live" almost as much but not quite........I think it's his best.....one of the 50s ten best imo.......his best performance .......... |
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Post by urbanpatrician on Mar 29, 2024 21:37:44 GMT
Well..... Bogart guys rate In a Lonely Place highly, but general fans don't talk about it enough..... e. Sunset Blvd. But I feel Bogart is way stronger than Holden, and Holden is the one in the first degree classic. I guess that's how legends are made, tho. Nobody would care much for In a Lonely Place without Bogart. I think it's a fantastic movie regardless of actors, but I just don't think most people will dig deep into the 50s vault without Bogart giving a classic performance that predates some of the 70s guys with Bogart's portrayal of intense rage and anger.
It is an insanely relevant film 70+ year after it's release - the entire idea of a "toxic male" is absent prior in the way this film presents it.........it ends in a way that's incredibly sad and easy to misread on both sides.........only Blow Up is a film that I see "what it says" with "how we live" almost as much but not quite........I think it's his best.....one of the 50s ten best imo.......his best performance .......... Yeah toxic male is a great description. Bogart definitely laid the benchmark for toxic males, and later generations took it further. It's probably in my Top 10 of the 50s too..... Rear Window, Tokyo Story, Ugetsu, Seven Samurai, Vertigo, Hiroshima mon amour, Pather Panchali, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, Johnny Guitar... it's somewhere in there. Blow Up is more of a capsule of its era to me... that swinging London scene in the 60s is pretty cool...... that's Antonioni's thing anyways. He's like the Italian Paul Newman with that movie. |
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Post by PromNightCarrie on Mar 29, 2024 22:05:22 GMT
Show more love to The Conformist, please.  |
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Post by pacinoyes on Mar 29, 2024 22:14:47 GMT
It is an insanely relevant film 70+ year after it's release - the entire idea of a "toxic male" is absent prior in the way this film presents it.........it ends in a way that's incredibly sad and easy to misread on both sides.........only Blow Up is a film that I see "what it says" with "how we live" almost as much but not quite........I think it's his best.....one of the 50s ten best imo.......his best performance .......... Blow Up is more of a capsule of its era to me... that swinging London scene in the 60s is pretty cool...... that's Antonioni's thing anyways. He's like the Italian Paul Newman with that movie. To me Blow Up reflects current US Culture right now : The US Culture is in denial about what life is and what it is like.........about Politics........about race and gender politics too .........about property rights......you name it.......about how much "safe space" anyone can have......about their denial of Religion (or God)..........US Culture now literally lies to you so much you almost can't believe it: ........they say the economy is fine (it is not) ......President Biden has his full mental facilities (he does not).......American foreign policy is as good as its always been (no)..........if you couple that with (many) Republican lies - the only way to actually live in the US in 2024 is on your phone......... in denial........... to delude yourself............... like Blow Up................ .to play tennis with a ball that doesn't exist.......... until you - and your grasp of facts......of "truth"........... eventually...........just..........disappears..........
Blow Up speaks to 2024 in a way that is almost scary imo....... Blow Up.......George Orwell's 1984........William Butler Yeats The Second Coming.......these old works of Art that speak to how we live now..........to me.........in the US anyway......... ......................while the movies of today........well they mostly just lie too.......  |
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Post by JangoB on Mar 29, 2024 23:02:45 GMT
With all the hoopla around The Holdovers, timing was just perfect for 1951's The Browning Version to start coming to the fore and get mentioned more and more often... and yet I don't remember seeing any talk about it. When it's probably the greatest "teacher picture" of all time, and with one of the GOAT performances too.  |
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Post by countjohn on Mar 30, 2024 2:12:14 GMT
How about a movie starring the GOAT......that he directed (his only one)......with so much symbolic underlying themes it plays like a psychological symbolism test (the Karl Malden character isn't called "Dad" by accident)........it's a beautiful looking, fascinating in drama and Brando takes his most savage beatng........and that was sorta his thing wasn't it? This board jizzing over vanilla white bread "Kevin Costner Westerns" makes me want to vomit all over the place tbh.....am I accusing you of not being men? Yeah I totally am..... One Eyed-JacksI think if there's a problem with One Eyed Jacks it's that it's such a boilerplate studio western script. It's saved by the execution. One of the last times it felt like Brando was really digging deep and giving 100% along with a couple things in his 70's renaissance and you've got Malden and Ben Johnson in top form too. Also well directed and very well shot, wish Brando had done more things. Although Kubrick was signed on to direct until two weeks before the shoot which is why Brando just did it himself. So I have to wonder if he'd storyboarded it already, the cinematography feels pretty Kubrickian. |
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